Kissing the bishops ring during the All Ireland final

Hector Bellend · 06-03-2017 09:38PM

Donal55 wrote: »

Try Glasgow Rangers for starters.

And Glasgow Celtic

Donal55 · 06-03-2017 09:41PM

Hector Bellend wrote: »

And Glasgow Celtic

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 06-03-2017 10:06PM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

Aren't all the big rugby playing schools in Leinster affiliated with religious orders? (Not that there is anything wrong with that).

This was a somewhat interesting thread until the usual After Hours gob****e decide to turn it into a GAA bashing thread.

pedigree 6 · 06-03-2017 10:25PM

weekday wrote: »

i'm not from mayo but live in mayo,

there is a fairly substantial belief in the curse ,

i don't believe in it myself ,

well ok tbh a little bit

What's the curse?

06-03-2017 10:50PM

spookmaster wrote: »

I remember years ago in my hometown, the bishop went from player to player and had his ring kissed. As one of the lads stooped down to kiss the ring, he farted and then a massive glob of sh!t popped out and ran down his leg.

I remember the look of disgust on the bishop's face, a handkerchief to his mouth as the village priest whisked him away apologising.

We ended up losing the match.

A micro version of the Mayo curse of sorts

06-03-2017 10:54PM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:

However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits. Several of England's leading clubs, including Everton, Manchester City and Southampton, were founded by churches....Following the adoption of the Sheffield rules and formation of The Football Association in England, a number of football clubs were founded by churches. Everton Football Club were founded in 1879 at St. Domingo's Methodist Church.[4] The Reverend Ben Chambers was an advocate of Muscular Christianity, encouraging healthy minds and healthy bodies.[4] Their Goodison Park ground has a church partially within the perimeter and as such do not play early matches on Sunday to avoid clashing with the services of the church.[5] In the same year, Fulham St Andrew's Church Sunday School F.C., to later become Fulham F.C., was founded by members of the nearby Church of England church for members of the Sunday school with the same focus as Everton of advocating Muscular Christianity.[6] In November 1880, St. Mark's Anglican Church in West Gorton, inspired by the same ideology and to win young men back to the church, set up a football team which later became Manchester City F.C..[7] St. Mary's Church, Southampton set up a team in 1885, which later became Southampton Football Club.... Since the 1927 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Cardiff City, the first and last verses of the Christian hymn, Abide with Me are traditionally sung at the FA Cup Final before the kick-off of the match, at around 2.45pm BST.[32] Christian hymns have also formed a part of individual club cultures. Southampton's club anthem is When the Saints Go Marching In.[33] Rangers adopted the tune of the hymn Follow On as the tune of their Follow Follow anthem.[29] Their fans also use God Save the Queen along with fans of the England national football team.[34].... (Source)

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-03-2017 10:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:

However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits. Several of England's leading clubs, including Everton, Manchester City and Southampton, were founded by churches....Following the adoption of the Sheffield rules and formation of The Football Association in England, a number of football clubs were founded by churches. Everton Football Club were founded in 1879 at St. Domingo's Methodist Church.[4] The Reverend Ben Chambers was an advocate of Muscular Christianity, encouraging healthy minds and healthy bodies.[4] Their Goodison Park ground has a church partially within the perimeter and as such do not play early matches on Sunday to avoid clashing with the services of the church.[5] In the same year, Fulham St Andrew's Church Sunday School F.C., to later become Fulham F.C., was founded by members of the nearby Church of England church for members of the Sunday school with the same focus as Everton of advocating Muscular Christianity.[6] In November 1880, St. Mark's Anglican Church in West Gorton, inspired by the same ideology and to win young men back to the church, set up a football team which later became Manchester City F.C..[7] St. Mary's Church, Southampton set up a team in 1885, which later became Southampton Football Club.... Since the 1927 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Cardiff City, the first and last verses of the Christian hymn, Abide with Me are traditionally sung at the FA Cup Final before the kick-off of the match, at around 2.45pm BST.[32] Christian hymns have also formed a part of individual club cultures. Southampton's club anthem is When the Saints Go Marching In.[33] Rangers adopted the tune of the hymn Follow On as the tune of their Follow Follow anthem.[29] Their fans also use God Save the Queen along with fans of the England national football team.[34].... (Source)

I think, in fairness, that was before his time.

06-03-2017 10:59PM

Keyla Few Curve wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:

I think, in fairness, that was before his time.

Funny how the guy kissing the ring in 1962 wasn't "before his time".

TheRiverman · 06-03-2017 11:01PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

There like that.

The Bishop should have been down on one knee with the great Jimmy Doyle beating the head of him with his hurley.

gctest50 · 06-03-2017 11:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

.........................However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits.

benefits lol, benefits alright

padd b1975 · 06-03-2017 11:17PM

Donal55 wrote: »

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

Quite the opposite.

To illustrate how stupid Rangers' ban on signing catholics was, Celtic's most famous manager Jock Stein (himself a Protestant) used to say that given a choice between two players of equal ability, one Catholic and one Protestant, he would always sign the Protestant.
Nothing to do with sectarian reasons, it simply showed how their rivals were placing themselves at a disadvantage.

Mrs OBumble · 06-03-2017 11:39PM

Keyla Few Curve wrote: »

Back then, everybody kissed a bishop's ring when greeting them. It was seen as a sign of reverence for his office as successor to the apostles. Much as ambassadors kiss the hand of a monarch like Queen Elizabeth.

And ye call this a Republic...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-03-2017 11:43PM

I didn't call it anything. I just said what the thinking was behind the protocol at the time.

maryishere · 07-03-2017 12:37AM

Who set the protocol? And who maintained it?

spiralism · 07-03-2017 01:29AM

Donal55 wrote: »

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

They didn't. Celtic had loads of iconic protestants at the club over the years, going back decades. Jock Stein and Kenny Dalglish to name a couple

maryishere · 07-03-2017 02:29AM

spiralism wrote: »

They didn't. Celtic had loads of iconic protestants at the club over the years, going back decades. Jock Stein and Kenny Dalglish to name a couple

Rangers were actually signing Roman Catholics before Celtic FC were formed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
Quote "Celtic Football Club was formally constituted at a meeting in St. Mary's church hall in East Rose Street (now Forbes Street), Calton, Glasgow, by Irish Marist Brother Walfrid[1] on 6 November 1887,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.

CrabRevolution · 07-03-2017 03:12AM

maryishere wrote: »

Rangers were actually signing Roman Catholics before Celtic FC were formed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
Quote "Celtic Football Club was formally constituted at a meeting in St. Mary's church hall in East Rose Street (now Forbes Street), Calton, Glasgow, by Irish Marist Brother Walfrid[1] on 6 November 1887,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C._signing_policy

In the 1920s, following the rise in popularity of the Orange Order in Glasgow where Rangers players and directors attended functions,[3] Rangers quietly introduced an unwritten rule that the club would not sign any player or employ any staff member who was openly Catholic.[4][5

snowflaker · 07-03-2017 10:00AM

Wtf has this got to do with Celtic and Rangers?

padd b1975 · 07-03-2017 10:34AM

snowflaker wrote: »

Wtf has this got to do with Celtic and Rangers?

Calm down there in the back seat.

It's an example how religion influences sport outside "Catholic Ireland".

BrokenArrows · 07-03-2017 10:38AM

spookmaster wrote: »

I remember years ago in my hometown, the bishop went from player to player and had his ring kissed. As one of the lads stooped down to kiss the ring, he farted and then a massive glob of sh!t popped out and ran down his leg.

I remember the look of disgust on the bishop's face, a handkerchief to his mouth as the village priest whisked him away apologising.

We ended up losing the match.

I hope thats true.

swimming in a sea · 07-03-2017 12:20PM

I remember seeing it on Reeling in the years, the bishop throws in the ball while he is surrounded by a few priests and politicians, then they make a made scramble to get off the pitch while the players play around them.

There is a clip somewhere on this.

Richardsons Muff · 07-03-2017 12:45PM

As far as I know, it was Hibs that were formed by catholic immigrants due to the catholic ban at the time.

Anyway, who cares, I think the point is whoever suggested that neither Rugby nor soccer have any sectarian links is painfully ignorant.

DanielODonnell · 10-03-2017 12:57AM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

On the news it showed a Syrian refugee playing hurling for a club in Belfast though maybe he was a Catholic Muslim

Kissing the bishops ring during the All Ireland final

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