Kissing the bishops ring during the All Ireland final

pedigree 6

I was just wondering when you watch the All Ireland finals from the 50's and 60's why did the players bend the knee and kiss the ring of the bishop or archbishop before the match?

I wonder did anyone refuse on national tv?

Jack the Stripper

What ring you referring to op?

endacl

They probably weren't aware of what was going on in Tuam at the time.

spookmaster

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

What ring you referring to op?

Do you live on boards?

Jack the Stripper

spookmaster wrote: »

Do you live on boards?

No Timber.

Dirty Dingus McGee

The funniest part was when they used to get the bishop to throw the ball in for the football final and they'd always seem to make a complete hames of it and just fling as hard as they could rather than throw it up fairly between both teams.

Your Face

To keep Mayo from winning.

pedigree 6

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

What ring you referring to op?

On the finger.

pedigree 6

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

What ring you referring to op?

There like that.

ClovenHoof

It's all very homoerotic. He might as well be kneeling down to suck him off in thst photo. Like the images of the ancient athletes on Grecian ceramic art.

vicwatson

Unreal Ireland

PTH2009

Can't imagine the GAA stars of today doing that

There surly wud be insurance risks when they had the Bishop throwing in the ball, more liable to get an elbow lol

spookmaster

I remember years ago in my hometown, the bishop went from player to player and had his ring kissed. As one of the lads stooped down to kiss the ring, he farted and then a massive glob of sh!t popped out and ran down his leg.

I remember the look of disgust on the bishop's face, a handkerchief to his mouth as the village priest whisked him away apologising.

We ended up losing the match.

sjb25

pedigree 6 wrote: »

kiss the ring of the bishop or archbishop?

..

Noddyholder

The CC was the real government of Ireland, You did what they said.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Back then, everybody kissed a bishop's ring when greeting them. It was seen as a sign of reverence for his office as successor to the apostles. Much as ambassadors kiss the hand of a monarch like Queen Elizabeth.

DanielODonnell

In ancient Ireland it was customary to lick the kings nipple to pay homage to him. In one of the bog bodies found the man had his nipple cut off.

snowflaker

It was a sectarian organisation tbf

Timberrrrrrrr

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

No Timber.

You called?

Galwayguy35

DanielODonnell wrote: »

In ancient Ireland it was customary to lick the kings nipple to pay homage to him. In one of the bog bodies found the man had his nipple cut off.

Fook that, the idea of licking some fellas nipple would make me throw up.

The Rape of Lucretia

WTF !?!?!?!?!

When the hell did this stop ? I dont follow GAA that closely but trusted that they correct reverence would be shown to bishops. OP, are you trolling (good one if so, even if a little to incredible - though a lot of people seem to have fallen for it) ?
If not, this is incredible and something should be done urgently to sort it out. boards.ie petition ?

Fred Swanson

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suicide_circus

Fr. Rusty Trombone

TheAnalyst_

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

Galwayguy35

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

The GAA doesn't stop anyone from playing whatever their backround.

Are you an Orangeman?

sbs2010

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

What are you on about?

No idea about years ago but what club in Ireland or the world currently discriminates on any of the basis you've mentioned there?

WesternZulu

TheAnalyst_ wrote:

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

You probably shouldn't follow any sport then if that's the case. Unfortunately, religion seems to get tangled up in a lot of them.

TheAnalyst_

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

I know there was a guy with us who kicked with the left foot, but I don't know what religion he was.

Donal55

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

Try Glasgow Rangers for starters.

Hector Bellend

suicide_circus wrote: »

Fr. Rusty Trombone(r)

fyp

Hector Bellend

Donal55 wrote: »

Try Glasgow Rangers for starters.

And Glasgow Celtic

Donal55

Hector Bellend wrote: »

And Glasgow Celtic

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

Dirty Dingus McGee

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

Aren't all the big rugby playing schools in Leinster affiliated with religious orders? (Not that there is anything wrong with that).


This was a somewhat interesting thread until the usual After Hours gob****e decide to turn it into a GAA bashing thread.

pedigree 6

weekday wrote: »

i'm not from mayo but live in mayo,

there is a fairly substantial belief in the curse ,

i don't believe in it myself ,

well ok tbh a little bit

What's the curse?

spookmaster

spookmaster wrote: »

I remember years ago in my hometown, the bishop went from player to player and had his ring kissed. As one of the lads stooped down to kiss the ring, he farted and then a massive glob of sh!t popped out and ran down his leg.

I remember the look of disgust on the bishop's face, a handkerchief to his mouth as the village priest whisked him away apologising.

We ended up losing the match.

A micro version of the Mayo curse of sorts

TheAnalyst_

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

That's why the GAA will always be a foreign sport to me. I cannot relate to it and its hard wired link with Catholic Ireland. Sport should be for all without any barrier to race, nationality or religion.

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I never encountered any religion playing rugby or football.

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:

However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits. Several of England's leading clubs, including Everton, Manchester City and Southampton, were founded by churches....Following the adoption of the Sheffield rules and formation of The Football Association in England, a number of football clubs were founded by churches. Everton Football Club were founded in 1879 at St. Domingo's Methodist Church.[4] The Reverend Ben Chambers was an advocate of Muscular Christianity, encouraging healthy minds and healthy bodies.[4] Their Goodison Park ground has a church partially within the perimeter and as such do not play early matches on Sunday to avoid clashing with the services of the church.[5] In the same year, Fulham St Andrew's Church Sunday School F.C., to later become Fulham F.C., was founded by members of the nearby Church of England church for members of the Sunday school with the same focus as Everton of advocating Muscular Christianity.[6] In November 1880, St. Mark's Anglican Church in West Gorton, inspired by the same ideology and to win young men back to the church, set up a football team which later became Manchester City F.C..[7] St. Mary's Church, Southampton set up a team in 1885, which later became Southampton Football Club.... Since the 1927 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Cardiff City, the first and last verses of the Christian hymn, Abide with Me are traditionally sung at the FA Cup Final before the kick-off of the match, at around 2.45pm BST.[32] Christian hymns have also formed a part of individual club cultures. Southampton's club anthem is When the Saints Go Marching In.[33] Rangers adopted the tune of the hymn Follow On as the tune of their Follow Follow anthem.[29] Their fans also use God Save the Queen along with fans of the England national football team.[34].... (Source)

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Deleted User wrote: »

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:


However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits. Several of England's leading clubs, including Everton, Manchester City and Southampton, were founded by churches....Following the adoption of the Sheffield rules and formation of The Football Association in England, a number of football clubs were founded by churches. Everton Football Club were founded in 1879 at St. Domingo's Methodist Church.[4] The Reverend Ben Chambers was an advocate of Muscular Christianity, encouraging healthy minds and healthy bodies.[4] Their Goodison Park ground has a church partially within the perimeter and as such do not play early matches on Sunday to avoid clashing with the services of the church.[5] In the same year, Fulham St Andrew's Church Sunday School F.C., to later become Fulham F.C., was founded by members of the nearby Church of England church for members of the Sunday school with the same focus as Everton of advocating Muscular Christianity.[6] In November 1880, St. Mark's Anglican Church in West Gorton, inspired by the same ideology and to win young men back to the church, set up a football team which later became Manchester City F.C..[7] St. Mary's Church, Southampton set up a team in 1885, which later became Southampton Football Club.... Since the 1927 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Cardiff City, the first and last verses of the Christian hymn, Abide with Me are traditionally sung at the FA Cup Final before the kick-off of the match, at around 2.45pm BST.[32] Christian hymns have also formed a part of individual club cultures. Southampton's club anthem is When the Saints Go Marching In.[33] Rangers adopted the tune of the hymn Follow On as the tune of their Follow Follow anthem.[29] Their fans also use God Save the Queen along with fans of the England national football team.[34].... (Source)

I think, in fairness, that was before his time.

Keyla Few Curve

Keyla Few Curve wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

That's evidently because like the rest of the Irish=backward/English=advanced dichotomy lovers, you're wilfully ignorant.

Leaving aside that for religious reasons soccer matches were not allowed be played on a Sunday in England until as recently as 1974 (In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays...), or that the places in Ireland where it's strong are in urban centres where a garrison serving the explicitly sectarian British crown was present (hence its "garrison game" name here), you're romanticising of Mother England's supposedly secular sporting culture needs to integrate the likes of this:




I think, in fairness, that was before his time.

Funny how the guy kissing the ring in 1962 wasn't "before his time".

TheRiverman

pedigree 6 wrote: »

There like that.

The Bishop should have been down on one knee with the great Jimmy Doyle beating the head of him with his hurley.

gctest50

[Deleted User] wrote: »

.........................However from the 19th century, Christians espousing the movement of "Muscular Christianity" encouraged the game for its physical and social benefits.

benefits lol, benefits alright

padd b1975

Donal55 wrote: »

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

Quite the opposite.

To illustrate how stupid Rangers' ban on signing catholics was, Celtic's most famous manager Jock Stein (himself a Protestant) used to say that given a choice between two players of equal ability, one Catholic and one Protestant, he would always sign the Protestant.
Nothing to do with sectarian reasons, it simply showed how their rivals were placing themselves at a disadvantage.

Mrs OBumble

Keyla Few Curve wrote: »

Back then, everybody kissed a bishop's ring when greeting them. It was seen as a sign of reverence for his office as successor to the apostles. Much as ambassadors kiss the hand of a monarch like Queen Elizabeth.

And ye call this a Republic...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I didn't call it anything. I just said what the thinking was behind the protocol at the time.

maryishere

Who set the protocol? And who maintained it?

spiralism

Donal55 wrote: »

I dont think they had the ban. Although I am open to correction.

They didn't. Celtic had loads of iconic protestants at the club over the years, going back decades. Jock Stein and Kenny Dalglish to name a couple

maryishere

spiralism wrote: »

They didn't. Celtic had loads of iconic protestants at the club over the years, going back decades. Jock Stein and Kenny Dalglish to name a couple

Rangers were actually signing Roman Catholics before Celtic FC were formed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
Quote "Celtic Football Club was formally constituted at a meeting in St. Mary's church hall in East Rose Street (now Forbes Street), Calton, Glasgow, by Irish Marist Brother Walfrid[1] on 6 November 1887,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.

CrabRevolution

maryishere wrote: »

Rangers were actually signing Roman Catholics before Celtic FC were formed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
Quote "Celtic Football Club was formally constituted at a meeting in St. Mary's church hall in East Rose Street (now Forbes Street), Calton, Glasgow, by Irish Marist Brother Walfrid[1] on 6 November 1887,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C._signing_policy

In the 1920s, following the rise in popularity of the Orange Order in Glasgow where Rangers players and directors attended functions,[3] Rangers quietly introduced an unwritten rule that the club would not sign any player or employ any staff member who was openly Catholic.[4][5

snowflaker

Wtf has this got to do with Celtic and Rangers?

padd b1975

snowflaker wrote: »

Wtf has this got to do with Celtic and Rangers?

Calm down there in the back seat.

It's an example how religion influences sport outside "Catholic Ireland".

BrokenArrows

spookmaster wrote: »

I remember years ago in my hometown, the bishop went from player to player and had his ring kissed. As one of the lads stooped down to kiss the ring, he farted and then a massive glob of sh!t popped out and ran down his leg.

I remember the look of disgust on the bishop's face, a handkerchief to his mouth as the village priest whisked him away apologising.

We ended up losing the match.

I hope thats true.