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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3602
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    It seems to be this (.pdf) aerial ducting cable manufactured by the French company Acome.


  • #3603
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    It seems to be this (.pdf) aerial ducting manufactured by the French company Acome.
    Yes, that is the same stuff that is installed here, it is a cable not a duct. There are 36 fibres in the one here.


  • #3604
    Dero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Dero


    long_b wrote: »
    If by excited for the long term in that you'll be getting fibre then yes but in the really short term not so much - could still take months. Read back a page or so on this thread for our experiences


    Your images aren't showing by the way

    LOL. I'm ~3km from you and not on a blue line and even I'm excited (especially seeing the actual fibre going up). I can't imagine what it's like to know it's so tantalisingly close... :eek:

    Roll on the NBP...


  • #3605
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    Dero wrote: »
    LOL. I'm ~3km from you and not on a blue line and even I'm excited (especially seeing the actual fibre going up). I can't imagine what it's like to know it's so tantalisingly close... :eek:

    Roll on the NBP...

    Laugh if you like but I'll be up all night keeping the wind off the fibre cable outside my house so I will


  • #3606
    garroff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    This cable can be run on Low Voltage electricity poles.
    Will SIRO have a different type of cable to run on MV (10/20kV) poles.?
    Also recommended span length is 70 metres. ESB LV/MV poles have a span greatly in excess of 70m.


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  • #3607
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    garroff wrote: »
    This cable can be run on Low Voltage electricity poles.
    Will SIRO have a different type of cable to run on MV (10/20kV) poles.?
    Also recommended span length is 70 metres. ESB LV/MV poles have a span greatly in excess of 70m.

    More appropriate to the SIRO thread.

    But they can use a wrapper robot on long spans if needs be.


  • #3608
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Might the installation crews be moved on to repair work today following Storm Doris? I've heard there are lots of electricty lines affected around the country, so I presume Eir infrastructure is too?


  • #3609
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Gwynston wrote: »
    Might the installation crews be moved on to repair work today following Storm Doris? I've heard there are lots of electricty lines affected around the country, so I presume Eir infrastructure is too?

    Im guessing they would be, first proper storm of the winter and it effected eastern areas much worse than most storms do, so the likelyhood of more lines down than usual.


  • #3610
    scottyboi_2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭scottyboi_2016


    The lines have been knocked down in Dunleer Co. Louth by trees - the fibre cable along with copper cables outside my house have snapped :-(


  • #3611
    GalwayMagpie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭GalwayMagpie


    A KN Group van pulled up outside my house in Kilcolgan this morning. I noticed a few new polls few km up the road from my house and there was a Eir Fiber van driving around yesterday.

    Are KN Group contractors for FTTH ?


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  • #3612
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Open Eir fixing lines near Dunshaughlin, definitely storm damage out there, could have a roll on effect now with this area going live in March.


  • #3613
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Depending on the fault count the OE controllers will go into storm mode (4 days repairs 1 day faults /week) and use OT and sometimes UK/NI crews to get the SL back into the SLAs. A single night of bad conditions wont trigger that though.


  • #3614
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,232 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    GalwayMagpie wrote: »
    A KN Group van pulled up outside my house in Kilcolgan this morning. I noticed a few new polls few km up the road from my house and there was a Eir Fiber van driving around yesterday.

    Are KN Group contractors for FTTH ?

    Mainly yeah, but there are a few others groups around the area all related. A different civil works company normally does the building work (manholes and ducting etc).

    KN seem to show up to get the poles ready, then Eir or KN show up after that to then run the cable and attach the boxes.


  • #3615
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    Crew pulling more cable in the Curragh today. The Defusion crowd. Obviously no repair work for them!


  • #3616
    Bored Accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Bored Accountant


    long_b wrote: »
    Crew pulling more cable in the Curragh today. The Defusion crowd. Obviously no repair work for them!

    I think Eir have hired in contractors specific for the FTTH rollout, so they probably not in their contracts to do any repair work. just fibre roll out.

    Its probably the eir vans that could be redeployed to faults would be all, unless they are all the new apprentices who probably aren't trained up on copper.


  • #3617
    snowstreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭snowstreams


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    It seems to be this (.pdf) aerial ducting manufactured by the French company Acome.
    Yes, that is the same stuff that is installed here, it is a cable not a duct.  There are 36 fibres in the one here.
    I see it is G652, I wonder what theoretical speeds it could provide. 
    I see that G655 has less colour dispersion than it and can do faster speeds.
    So Im wondering why arent they using that for future proofing reasons?

    EDIT:
    Discussion about G655 vs G652
    Seems that you only see the difference between the two at very high speeds, like maybe 100Gb/s but also at long distances. 
    How far are you from your exchange Dolanbaker?


  • #3618
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    snowstreams wrote: »
    I see it is G652, I wonder what theoretical speeds it could provide. 
    I see that G655 has less colour dispersion than it and can do faster speeds.
    So Im wondering why arent they using that for future proofing reasons?

    EDIT:
    Discussion about G655 vs G652
    Seems that you only see the difference between the two at very high speeds, like maybe 100Gb/s but also at long distances. 
    How far are you from your exchange Dolanbaker?

    Bear in mind that the optical system that they are using (GPON in this case) would be the largest limiter to the speed optainable.


  • #3619
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Bear in mind that the optical system that they are using (GPON in this case) would be the largest limiter to the speed optainable.

    what's the max speed GPON can provide to a customer? I think it's 1000meg download and about 500meg upload. Eir can provide up to 1000/100 which I think is Gpon almost maxed out already.

    In the future what would Eir need to do in order to faster than that per customer?

    I know B4RN's fibre is capable of 10gigs and already gives 1000/1000 to each customer, I think their network is Point to Point.

    Could Eir switch the fibre type if they wanted in the future or would Gpon simply get upgraded to a different specification in later years?


  • #3620
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    what's the max speed GPON can provide to a customer? I think it's 1000meg download and about 500meg upload. Eir can provide up to 1000/100 which I think is Gpon almost maxed out already.

    In the future what would Eir need to do in order to faster than that per customer?

    I know B4RN's fibre is capable of 10gigs and already gives 1000/1000 to each customer, I think their network is Point to Point.

    Could Eir switch the fibre type if they wanted in the future or would Gpon simply get upgraded to a different specification in later years?

    If you didn't split it from the OLT to the ONT technically you could get 2.5Gb/s down and 1.25Gb/s up. I am not sure if that is even possible with the network design that Openeir have used.

    The benefit of the PON seems to be that as the technology progresses it is only a matter of replacing the OLT and ONT (maybe splitters) to achieve greater speeds.

    At the FTTH Council conference last week there were presentations on the evolution from GPON to TWDM-PON.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kdesmedt/status/832216031401803777

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NG-PON2


  • #3621
    [Deleted User]
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    snowstreams wrote: »
    I see it is G652, I wonder what theoretical speeds it could provide.
    I see that G655 has less colour dispersion than it and can do faster speeds.
    So Im wondering why arent they using that for future proofing reasons?

    EDIT:
    Discussion about G655 vs G652
    Seems that you only see the difference between the two at very high speeds, like maybe 100Gb/s but also at long distances.
    How far are you from your exchange Dolanbaker?
    I am about 1.5km and the line continues for another 2.5km, so the total line length (on this leg) is just over 4km to the furtherest connection.


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  • #3622
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    long_b wrote: »
    Crew pulling more cable in the Curragh today. The Defusion crowd. Obviously no repair work for them!
    I doubt Defusion or KN will ever do line work (fault/repair-storm damage), or do they?


  • #3623
    ccazza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭ccazza


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    I doubt Defusion or KN will ever do line work (fault/repair-storm damage), or do they?

    KN fixed a fault in my sisters home today.


  • #3624
    Doctor Shivering
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Doctor Shivering


    This private laneway up to a private house was done by kn yesterday with a fibre cable
    It's on the inch Rural exchange in north Wexford which goes live on march 8th
    All the line along the public road is done with fibre,splice boxes etc and the Eir salesman has been around
    He stated that home installs will start in the area on the week of the 8th and has advised to order that morning


  • #3625
    [Deleted User]
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    We were due to "go live" on the 22nd, but so far it still hasn't been updated on the eir line checker or the fibrerollout map.
    Chatted on line to eir rep who just said to wait a few more days.


  • #3626
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Saw an MCS van on the south side of Claregalway this morning.
    Are they another Eir contractor? (see http://www.mccanncablingsolutions.com/)

    They had a big reel with what looked like thick orange piping. I presume some sort of conduit that they'll be using for underground cable runs?

    No sign of activity on my side (north) of Claregalway...


  • #3627
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yep MCS did some work here in the early stages of the rollout.

    initial stages of rollout: KNN

    start of main development: KNN + MCS

    Wiring; KNN

    Splicing: OpenEir

    Checking and finishing up; Open Eir


  • #3628
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Gonzo wrote: »
    ...
    I know B4RN's fibre is capable of 10gigs and already gives 1000/1000 to each customer, I think their network is Point to Point.
    ...

    Yep - B4RN provide P2P connections, times 2 - all homes get two strands for future growth/quick repair.

    Barry Forde said giving customers such connections was cheaper than doing otherwise, as they didn't need to invest in technology to divide/limit the connections such as in a GPON set-up.

    I did kinda wonder about that myself though, as surely if it were cheaper, then commercial entities like Open eir would be all over it to keep the costs down (or am I giving them too much credit :rolleyes:).


  • #3629
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Yep - B4RN provide P2P connections, times 2 - all homes get two strands for future growth/quick repair.

    Barry Forde said giving customers such connections was cheaper than doing otherwise, as they didn't need to invest in technology to divide/limit the connections such as in a GPON set-up.

    I did kinda wonder about that myself though, as surely if it were cheaper, then commercial entities like Open eir would be all over it to keep the costs down (or am I giving them too much credit :rolleyes:).

    They describe their network design from page 13 of the business plan pdf. I don't see how this PtP model would be cheaper. They need active powered switching equipment located in cabinets around their areas. As you say if it were cheaper commercial ISPs would be using it.

    https://b4rn.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/B4RN-Business-Plan-v5-2.pdf


  • #3630
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Yep - B4RN provide P2P connections, times 2 - all homes get two strands for future growth/quick repair.

    Barry Forde said giving customers such connections was cheaper than doing otherwise, as they didn't need to invest in technology to divide/limit the connections such as in a GPON set-up.

    I did kinda wonder about that myself though, as surely if it were cheaper, then commercial entities like Open eir would be all over it to keep the costs down (or am I giving them too much credit :rolleyes:).

    could well be cheaper alright, B4RN will probably never have to upgrade their network for another 10 to 15+ years, maybe more, but Gpon in it's current form and the way its split won't last as long and when Eir decide to upgrade it the will have to replace the equipment in all customers homes and perhaps the box's on the poles as well? At least the fibre will never have to be replaced tho! I'd love to know can Eir push the current gpon beyond 1000/100 to give each customer the full 2500?


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  • #3631
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    could well be cheaper alright, B4RN will probably never have to upgrade their network for another 10 to 15+ years, maybe more, but Gpon in it's current form and the way its split won't last as long and when Eir decide to upgrade it the will have to replace the equipment in all customers homes and perhaps the box's on the poles as well? At least the fibre will never have to be replaced tho! I'd love to know can Eir push the current gpon beyond 1000/100 to give each customer the full 2500?

    I'd expect Openeir would have no intention of upgrading their GPON infrastructure within the next 15 years. This is a long term investment for them.


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