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Wheelchair user and Ryanair...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    There are lots of cases of large, faceless companies shítting on the customer and getting their comeuppance when the customer takes to the airwaves. I love those. This isn't one of them though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Have we gotten to a place in society where we feel we can sue over "not feeling myself"...

    Not quite yet.

    But ah -- please, do let me know when we have :)

    That is the trouble with being the de facto 51st U.S. state... all the downsides, very few of the perks.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Everyone that questions her is a disgusting ablist, yeah I have no sympathy for her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭vintagecosmos


    jackboy wrote: »
    She was on the radio yesterday and said the 13 minutes thing is not true.

    Which station was that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Everyone that questions her is a disgusting ablist, yeah I have no sympathy for her.

    And as for her friend who "organised" the trip... horrible yoke. They can fuck themselves.


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Which station was that?

    She was on drive time or whatever it's called in newstalk


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    And as for her friend who "organised" the trip... horrible yoke. They can fuck themselves.

    Oh tell me more about this friend......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    I guarantee she would have been able to walk up the steps but decided to throw a hissy fit instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Oh tell me more about this friend......

    You'll find her chiming in against anyone who questions the story on the girl's original Facebook post about the incident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭vintagecosmos


    Here it is here for anyone wanting to listen. About 70% through the podcast.

    http://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/81889/34078/20th_February_2017_-_Newstalk_Drive_Part_1/


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    You'll find her chiming in against anyone who questions the story on the girl's original Facebook post about the incident.

    Just seen it, the youth of today are a disgrace, think they are entitled to everything their own way these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,679 ✭✭✭elefant


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    You'll find her chiming in against anyone who questions the story on the girl's original Facebook post about the incident.
    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Just seen it, the youth of today are a disgrace, think they are entitled to everything their own way these days.

    Oh, the hysteria!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,409 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.
    It's a new one on me too.

    That FB thread is a disgrace - mostly to the girls themselves. Regardless of the rights and wrongs and inaccuracies or otherwise of the incident itself, how on earth they expect to garner any sympathy for their cause when they carry on like that to what come across as perfectly reasonable posters just posing questions, is a mystery to me.

    And I KNOW I shouldn't let this get to me.... but her charity is called "Disablity and I" :eek: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.

    Yes, and apparently she wants equality but is using divisive language like that.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Is "ableist" a relatively new term that people use (made up), I have never come across it before.
    More identity politics. Whilst "ableism" has been around for a good few decades it only started gaining real traction in academia in the USA in the early 2000s when a push was being made to categorise people with disabilities into their own identity grouping.

    Hence, "ableist" is now the buzzword used to shut down conversations and stifle debate when things are not going your way.

    Of course, it is only a minority of people who actually use that term, and it mostly seems to be confined to Tumblr and Twitter etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    There's nothing in there to disagree with of course, but very little of it applies to this person's behaviour or the actual situation to be honest

    I kind of lost the point somewhere along the way in the middle of my list of "good deeds" :)

    What I meant to say was that regardless of personal opinions of the lady in question, she has certainly managed to highlight the inequalities in traveling while disabled. I disagree with the way she's blaming Ryanair (and in particular the comments about suing), but it's certainly got everyone talking about it. If her goal was purely public awareness, she's succeeded.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    Saw this story and initially, yes it looks bad. however, getting more details and in particular seeing her facebook post, there is only one wrong person involved here.

    As in the IT, she only really needed the wheelchair in the last few months. so maybe this was one of her first times travelling needing wheelchair assistance. Also, couple to that fact, she hasnt had years to accept her disability or get used to it as she got older, it was "sprung" on her, so maybe she is now going out to highlight all her issues that many other disabled people deal with on a daily basis with no issues.

    Her use of "ablist" and shouts of discrimination and suing really do not paint her in a good light. As someone else mentioned, its clear she is going out of her way to be offended. She had a crappy experience of a fight, and went out of her way to blame everyone else, throw slurs and threaten people, when a little bit of self realisation would have gone a long way to factor in her life has changed and she needs to change accordingly with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Yaretzi Ashy Treble


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    It's a new one on me too.

    That FB thread is a disgrace - mostly to the girls themselves. Regardless of the rights and wrongs and inaccuracies or otherwise of the incident itself, how on earth they expect to garner any sympathy for their cause when they carry on like that to what come across as perfectly reasonable posters just posing questions, is a mystery to me.

    And I KNOW I shouldn't let this get to me.... but her charity is called "Disablity and I" :eek: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

    On her charity page, Disability and I , people are questioning it and shes throwing out the ableist stuff again and having a meltdown there about reporting people to FB who disagree with her


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  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thoie wrote: »
    I kind of lost the point somewhere along the way in the middle of my list of "good deeds" :)

    What I meant to say was that regardless of personal opinions of the lady in question, she has certainly managed to highlight the inequalities in traveling while disabled. I disagree with the way she's blaming Ryanair (and in particular the comments about suing), but it's certainly got everyone talking about it. If her goal was purely public awareness, she's succeeded.

    To be honest I disagree, as most people who are talking are actually saying the special assistance they have used or used with friends or family has been exemplary. Whatever about her assuming the special assistance had been transferred over, why did she not make any mention when she was dropping her bags? "By the way, I requested special assistance, where will I get that?". You are meant to checkin or drop your bag 2 hours before the flight. If she had mentioned it at the desk, the mistake would have been revealed and there would have been time to rectify it. Failing that, going to the gate and reminding the staff you need assistance before boarding started, would have given them time to arrange something.

    Instead she said by her own admission, she knew wheelchair users were put on last so she waited until last. She said Ryanairs assertion that she arrived to the gate 13 minutes before departure was false. Lets rephrase it, did she make her needs known to them 13 minutes before departure. She said she waited until everyone else had boarded, so it sounds to me like she arrived at the back of the queue and said "Wheres my special assistance?" and they were unable to facilitate her in the time they had left.

    As an aside, I traveled with members of my family and a friend of theirs back in January. Going over 1 member used special assistance, and on the way back all 3 did when they saw how easy it made the whole thing. Going over, the family friend in the wheelchair was put on first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,541 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    bruschi wrote: »
    . Also, couple to that fact, she hasnt had years to accept her disability or get used to it as she got older, it was "sprung" on her, .

    One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

    She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Yaretzi Ashy Treble


    She's blocked the comments now on her FB page - id say someone has told her to reign it in with her attitude...how old is she if anyone knows,,, sounds like a whinging teenager


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I had a crappy experience on a United Air flight from Heathrow to LA when I roofied myself and started hallucinating.

    Can I sue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Yaretzi Ashy Treble


    One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

    She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.
    That will be hard for her ...I can see her going down the LON/una Mullaley route whinging about being a victim


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    One of the papers says she has Friedreich’s ataxia: this is an inherited disease, shes had it forever.

    She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

    I meant in terms of actual use of the wheelchair, which apparently is only in the last couple of months. Although if she knew the illness was going to afflict her like it is, its a bit strange her very recent crusade for disability rights. Seems to have only become an issue for her when it started to affect her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    anna080 wrote: »
    Yes, and apparently she wants equality but is using divisive language like that.

    What Ryanair did was treat her exactly like any other passenger, or as an "equal"

    She really is coming across awfully


  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She clearly knows hiw to get media attention, the next trick is learning to do it without pissing people off.

    Theres getting media attention and theres getting media attention. She needs to learn how to do the former.

    She has graduated from the "Mary from Clontarf, 'I'm OUTRAGED Joe" school of media attention. She now needs a Diploma in "How to build bridges and not alienate people".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    bruschi wrote: »
    I meant in terms of actual use of the wheelchair, which apparently is only in the last couple of months. Although if she knew the illness was going to afflict her like it is, its a bit strange her very recent crusade for disability rights. Seems to have only become an issue for her when it started to affect her.
    In fairness you can never know how an illness is going to progress. She's young, she would have been out enjoying herself to the best of her ability while she still could.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    She's blocked the comments now on her FB page - id say someone has told her to reign it in with her attitude...how old is she if anyone knows,,, sounds like a whinging teenager

    I think I read somewhere she's only about 19. I think people should cut her some slack - she's young, she's only been using a wheelchair full-time for a few months and this might have been her first trip with it.

    She's not painting herself in a good light with the angry comments and labelling everything "ableist". Absolutely that can be challenged. But just remember that she's quite young, posted in the heat of the moment (when she was very upset, having been left behind on her own while all her friends went off) on a Twitter account with lots of followers and is now stuck with her early comments. I'd say this has been a lesson to her about how social media/media in general work...


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