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Clear majority of Europeans want a total ban on Muslim immigration

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  • #32
    Help!!!!
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    demfad wrote: »
    Not at all. We are western democracies not fascist states. We dont impose an homogenous culture. We provide a legal umbrella and as long as citizens stay legal we are all equal under the law. YOUR culture has no more rights than anyone elses.

    Well unfortunately most Muslims want some form of Sharia Law. How many radical Muslims are there is the world?? Radicals rather than terrorists? More than half world wide


  • #33
    WinnyThePoo
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Well unfortunately most Muslims want some form of Sharia Law. How many radical Muslims are there is the world?? Radicals rather than terrorists? More than half world wide

    Wow

    Can you back up any of this?


  • #34
    Help!!!!
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    Indonesia = 205million - 2009 poll half the population want strict Sharia Law not just in Indonesia - 100million +
    Egypt = 80million - 2009 poll 65% want stict Sharia Law in every Muslim country - 52million +
    Pakistan = 179million - 76% strict Sharia Law in all Muslim countries - 135million +
    Bangladesh = 149million - 2013 just over a quarter said suicide bombings was sometimes justified + 82% want Sharia Law to be the law of the country & 2/3's said honour killings of women can sometimes be justified - 121million +
    Nigeria = 75million - 71% favour Sharia Law - 53million +
    Iran = 74million - 83% favour Sharia Law - 62million +
    Turkey = 74 million - 32% said honor killings of women could be sometimes justified - 23million +
    Morocco = 32million - over 3/4 support Sharia Law - 24million +
    Iraq = 31million - 78% said honour killings of women sometimes justified - 24million +
    Thats over 500million radical Muslims without doing the rest of the world


  • #35
    MadYaker
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    Where did you get those numbers from?


  • #36
    Help!!!!
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Where did you get those numbers from?

    Theres similar numbers here
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/


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  • #37
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,574 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Theres similar numbers here
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
    Similar in the sense of "strikingly different".

    Where did you get your original numbers from?


  • #38
    ScumLord
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Declaring it is one thing, abiding by it is another.
    It wouldn't be easy for anyone to prove their atheist, so we're basically back to restricting the movements of anyone of a particular race because they might be Muslim.
    Moreover, is there no limit to the number of these muslims and others people are willing to allow in ?
    There are limits, already in place that I don't think anyone is breaking.


  • #39
    Rightwing
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    It wouldn't be easy for anyone to prove their atheist, so we're basically back to restricting the movements of anyone of a particular race because they might be Muslim.

    There are limits, already in place that I don't think anyone is breaking.

    I wouldn't restrict anyone just because they are a muslim, but I would restrict everyone from those countries listed above.

    But why have limits? Is letting some in at the expense of others not inherently unfair?


  • #40
    Peregrinus
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I wouldn't restrict anyone just because they are a muslim, but I would restrict everyone from those countries listed above.

    But why have limits? Is letting some in at the expense of others not inherently unfair?
    Um, Rightwing, "I would restrict everyone from those countries listed above" is a limit. Are you asking whether your own position here is inherently unfair?


  • #41
    Rightwing
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Um, Rightwing, "I would restrict everyone from those countries listed above" is a limit. Are you asking whether your own position here is inherently unfair?


    The current system of having limits is unfair, why have them at all if one is so liberal and kind and caring ?


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  • #42
    ScumLord
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    The current system of having limits is unfair, why have them at all if one is so liberal and kind and caring ?
    There's basic practicality. Even if we were to allow all of them in, we'd only be able to process a certain amount each day. But it's a bit extreme to say letting in some is the same as letting in everyone including criminals.

    The refugee program is there to help people in need, to help families flee war zones or places where they're persecuted. It's not for everyone, there's a different system for the other people. Of course others are going to try and abuse the system, just like we have native people who try and abuse the welfare system here. For many people it's worth a shot. That's human nature.


  • #43
    Yourself isit
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    demfad wrote: »
    Curtailing the fake news, propaganda and trolling currently flooding European media channels would be a good start.

    Worrying totalitarian attitude.


  • #44
    Yourself isit
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    demfad wrote: »
    Not at all. We are western democracies not fascist states. We dont impose an homogenous culture. We provide a legal umbrella and as long as citizens stay legal we are all equal under the law. YOUR culture has no more rights than anyone elses.

    Since when? France has strong secular laws. The UK has an established church.

    The different nations of Europe are not blank slates.


  • #45
    Yourself isit
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Similar in the sense of "strikingly different".

    Where did you get your original numbers from?

    He seems to have underestimated some alright.


  • #46
    Rightwing
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    There's basic practicality. Even if we were to allow all of them in, we'd only be able to process a certain amount each day. But it's a bit extreme to say letting in some is the same as letting in everyone including criminals.

    The refugee program is there to help people in need, to help families flee war zones or places where they're persecuted. It's not for everyone, there's a different system for the other people. Of course others are going to try and abuse the system, just like we have native people who try and abuse the welfare system here. For many people it's worth a shot. That's human nature.

    It's a failure. Politicians are changing rules as they go along, see which way the wind is blowing type stuff.

    Problem needs to be dealt with at source.


  • #47
    ScumLord
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    It's a failure. Politicians are changing rules as they go along, see which way the wind is blowing type stuff.
    Politicians follow the general consensus, that's how they work. If they didn't they'd be dictators.
    Problem needs to be dealt with at source.
    I totally agree, but what do we do in the meantime?


  • #48
    Sureiknow
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    What if they start declaring they're atheists?

    I think all religion is nonsense, but I just don't see how we could have a ban on muslims. We can't allow something like scientology and then say Muslims are too crazy to let in.
    Taqiyya.

    Scientology hasn't voved to kill all non scientolists.


  • #49
    Annasopra
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    That's the about the sample size for most polls. Usually with a 3% or so margin of error

    Really? For most polls across the whole of Europe?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #50
    weisses
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    Sureiknow wrote: »
    Taqiyya.

    Scientology hasn't voved to kill all non scientolists.

    You must be living under ground at this stage right ?

    From the bible
    Deuteronomy 17
    If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.


  • #51
    moneymad
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    1,000 people per country weighted by population is hardly a representation of how "Europeans" feel about immigration.
    It's largely uncontrolled mass immigration. There is a world of difference.


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  • #52
    recedite
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    What if they start declaring they're atheists?
    Then we are required under the modern interpretations of the Geneva Convention on Refugees to let them in.
    Because under the Sharia laws of Islamic countries, people claiming to be atheists are criminals, and those who turned away from being Muslims should be killed.

    So what does this tell us? The Geneva Convention on Refugees is not fit for purpose in the modern world, and neither is Sharia Law.

    But put them both together, and you get a whole new level of crazy. More or less the entire Islamic world is entitled to apply for asylum in Ireland on this basis.


  • #53
    ScumLord
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    Sureiknow wrote: »
    Taqiyya.

    Scientology hasn't voved to kill all non scientolists.
    Is that the preference in Islam? Or is it like Christianity where they're supposed to "save" everybody from a life without god and only kill them if they refuse to follow Islam.

    As far as I know there have been plenty of times in history when predominantly Islamic countries/cultures have tolerated other faiths and of course, there are variations of Islam just like there are variations of Christianity, some more tolerant, some less tolerant.

    The modern Muslim extremest is the result of European colonialism. I don't think they're a fair representation of Islam.


  • #54
    Yourself isit
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Really? For most polls across the whole of Europe?

    For all polls ever. If your sample size is random, distributed and unbiased 1000 people is good enough to predict the views of millions, tens of millions or hundreds of millions.


  • #55
    AnGaelach
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    We can't allow something like scientology and then say Muslims are too crazy to let in.

    Very good idea. We need to ban Scientologists from Ireland too.


  • #56
    Annasopra
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Very good idea. We need to ban Scientologists from Ireland too.

    What about christianity? Can we ban that too please?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #57
    AnGaelach
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What about christianity? Can we ban that too please?

    I don't think we can stop more Christians being born unfortunately.


  • #58
    Annasopra
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    I don't think we can stop more Christians being born unfortunately.

    We cant stop more Muslims being born either

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #59
    AnGaelach
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We cant stop more Muslims being born either

    Correct but there's fairly few of them being born in Ireland.


  • #60
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We cant stop more Muslims being born either

    Out of interest why does the LGBT people take muslims side so frequently recently? I being honest am a white/straight/male and I have no hatred for anyong but I also dont care so much about whether refugees do or dont come, probably wont affect my daily life in anyway and I am fairly selfish ill admit that.

    My main question is the fact that basically nearly all muslims are against the LGBT way of life, why are so many of the LGBT community standing up for muslims? I mean its no secret that muslims are very anti homosexuality!


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  • #61
    oscarBravo
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    I don't think we can stop more Christians being born unfortunately.

    Not once in the history of humanity has a Christian been born.


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