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Motorway from Dublin to Sligo Needed Badly

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    #152
    newacc2015
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    I don't get this snobbish attitude from some people in Dublin....
    Fair enough its your opinion, but there are plenty of people who would completely disagree with you on that one.

    How is it a snobbish attitude? The Dublin metro area is about 20 times the size of Sligo County and far more wealthy. Dublin has everything from ultra luxury hospitals, apartments, restaurants etc which you can't find outside of Dublin, even in Cork. You can pretty much/do whatever you want in Dublin. Residents of Sligo might not consider somethings important, but a lot of people in Dublin do.

    The IDA have said themselves, even if MNC offer higher wages for non-nationals to locate outside of Dublin to elsewhere in Ireland, they simply wont. Dublin has a standard of living that is not possible elsewhere in Ireland. Dublin is major city, that afford a different type of lifestyle ie you can drink/party in Dublin from 7am to 4am.

    Some people might like a McMansion in the middle of the countryside, but a lot of Dubliners prefer a modest apartment or house close to the city, where they can buy, eat, drink whatever they want pretty much 24/7.

    Dublin has the best colleges, schools, hospitals etc in the state. Dublin is one of the few cities where it is safe to cycle in.


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    #153
    Mint Sauce
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    newacc2015 wrote: »
    How is it a snobbish attitude? The Dublin metro area is about 20 times the size of Sligo County and far more wealthy. Dublin has everything from ultra luxury hospitals, apartments, restaurants etc which you can't find outside of Dublin, even in Cork. You can pretty much/do whatever you want in Dublin. Residents of Sligo might not consider somethings important, but a lot of people in Dublin do.

    The IDA have said themselves, even if MNC offer higher wages for non-nationals to locate outside of Dublin to elsewhere in Ireland, they simply wont. Dublin has a standard of living that is not possible elsewhere in Ireland. Dublin is major city, that afford a different type of lifestyle ie you can drink/party in Dublin from 7am to 4am.

    Some people might like a McMansion in the middle of the countryside, but a lot of Dubliners prefer a modest apartment or house close to the city, where they can buy, eat, drink whatever they want pretty much 24/7.

    Dublin has the best colleges, schools, hospitals etc in the state. Dublin is one of the few cities where it is safe to cycle in.

    It's the Capital City, of course it's going to have them things, but to compare a small town to it as horrific, is snobbish.

    Yeah Sligo might not have half the facilities of it, or services providing for every taste running for 20 hours a day, but maybe like a need for a motorway is there need for all that Dublin has to be here as well.

    I am from London, which I could say has more than what Dublin has, but as quite happy with my lot here too.


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    #154
    firemansam4
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    newacc2015 wrote: »
    How is it a snobbish attitude? The Dublin metro area is about 20 times the size of Sligo County and far more wealthy. Dublin has everything from ultra luxury hospitals, apartments, restaurants etc which you can't find outside of Dublin, even in Cork. You can pretty much/do whatever you want in Dublin. Residents of Sligo might not consider somethings important, but a lot of people in Dublin do.

    The IDA have said themselves, even if MNC offer higher wages for non-nationals to locate outside of Dublin to elsewhere in Ireland, they simply wont. Dublin has a standard of living that is not possible elsewhere in Ireland. Dublin is major city, that afford a different type of lifestyle ie you can drink/party in Dublin from 7am to 4am.

    Some people might like a McMansion in the middle of the countryside, but a lot of Dubliners prefer a modest apartment or house close to the city, where they can buy, eat, drink whatever they want pretty much 24/7.

    Dublin has the best colleges, schools, hospitals etc in the state. Dublin is one of the few cities where it is safe to cycle in.

    Dublin Metro area is 20 times bigger than Sligo - how does that give you a better standard of living?

    You must live in some alternate dimension or something if you really believe half the things you say?
    Yes most of the major specialist hospitals are in Dublin, but some of them are far from luxury. I remember being in the Coombe hospital once, quite a long time back, and I can honestly not remember another hospital in any other part of the country in worse state than that.

    You may like your fancy shoe box apartments in Dublin, but I prefer a decent size house where I live with a nice size garden for my children to play in.

    You say you can pretty much do anything you want in Dublin? Well that was not the experience I had when I lived there. You cant leave your car in some places without fear of it being broken into, drugs rampant in some areas, gangland crime at its height. Cant travel a few miles down the road without being delayed in traffic for ages.
    No thanks I am much happier where I am now and I consider myself to have a much better standard of living here.
    But hey that's just my opinion, and your entitled to yours.

    Anyway this is dragging this topic way off so I wont debate this any more unless you want to start your own thread about this?


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    #155
    firemansam4
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    None of us are furnished with crystal balls nor have special gifts or powers to look into the future unfortunately ... but we can have vision if we just think out of the box - I personally have a vision of a motorway being built, then people using it to commute quickly to A & B , open up tourism , Make it more attractive for people to set up business near the motorway , bring more people to the area to live and work. I have seen before what motorways can do to areas in the way of opening possibilities up and bringing new life to areas ....

    I see where you are coming from Andy, but unfortunately I still don't think the traffic volumes at present or within the next 5-10 years would justify it.


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    #156
    Andy From Sligo
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    I see where you are coming from Andy, but unfortunately I still don't think the traffic volumes at present or within the next 5-10 years would justify it.

    you cant predict the future! ;):)

    tell you what, we get it built first and if the population in the area and business and tourism doesnt grow considerably and the volume of traffic dont increase because of the motorway, then I will let you say to me "see Andy, I told you it wouldnt work!" :D


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    #157
    blackwhite
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    My wife used to visit her gran on the Headford Road in Galway over 30years ago and stayed with her and reckons Galway was like the size and population of Sligo - I dunno when the M6 was built , but Sligo could be the next Galway maybe one day if they built a motorway (proper one) to sligo? no?

    148km of M6 from Kinnegad to Galway -

    148km of N4 from Kinnegad to Sligo

    It could be possible same thing could be done?

    Your wife clearly isn't the best at judging population sizes then.

    Galway city has had a bigger population than all of Sligo county for at least the last 20 years.

    According to the 1991 census, the population of Galway city was more than double the population of Sligo town even then.


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    #158
    Irish_rat
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    newacc2015 wrote: »
    How is it a snobbish attitude? The Dublin metro area is about 20 times the size of Sligo County and far more wealthy. Dublin has everything from ultra luxury hospitals, apartments, restaurants etc which you can't find outside of Dublin, even in Cork. You can pretty much/do whatever you want in Dublin. Residents of Sligo might not consider somethings important, but a lot of people in Dublin do.

    Off topic but you're forgetting the shootings, homeless crisis, drugs, chronic commuting times, expensive, rent crisis etc


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    #159
    jezzer
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    regardless of what they do, they need to do the castlebaldwin to collooney route its appalling


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    #160
    drdidlittle
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    Irish_rat wrote:
    Off topic but you're forgetting the shootings, homeless crisis, drugs, chronic commuting times, expensive, rent crisis etc


    Every village has those "afflictions", its only the degree that is relative


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    marno21
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    jezzer wrote: »
    regardless of what they do, they need to do the castlebaldwin to collooney route its appalling
    Construction start 2018/early 2019. Opening date 2020/2021. Funding is available and the project is almost shovel ready.


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    #162
    Andy From Sligo
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Construction start 2018/early 2019. Opening date 2020/2021. Funding is available and the project is almost shovel ready.

    So far off completion/opening and sad to think how many more bad accidents and fatalities could accumulate in that time on that stretch in the meantime :(


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    #163
    Jayop
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Off topic but you're forgetting the shootings, homeless crisis, drugs, chronic commuting times, expensive, rent crisis etc

    If I bring a child to A&E in sligo were usually back home within a few hours.


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    #164
    red sean
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    So far off completion/opening and sad to think how many more bad accidents and fatalities could accumulate in that time on that stretch in the meantime :(
    Do you expect someone to just wave a wand and it's done? :rolleyes:
    The road has caused no accidents, it's irresponsible road users who have. Unfortunately, stupidity is commonplace on all roads.


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    #165
    Jayop
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    red sean wrote: »
    Do you expect someone to just wave a wand and it's done? :rolleyes:
    The road has caused no accidents, it's irresponsible road users who have. Unfortunately, stupidity is commonplace on all roads.

    Bs the road is a major contributing factor unless you expect everyone to drive at 10mph in bubble wrapped cars.

    Safety through infrastructure works so clearly the roads are at fault.


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    #166
    Andy From Sligo
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    red sean wrote: »
    Do you expect someone to just wave a wand and it's done? :rolleyes:
    The road has caused no accidents, it's irresponsible road users who have. Unfortunately, stupidity is commonplace on all roads.

    just knew someone was going to say that - and no, but I would like to think they maybe will do the road in stages and tackle the extra dangerous parts first and open that up to traffic as they go along rather than wait right up to 2021 to open it.

    Of course the road contributes to road accidents.

    And I dare you to say face to face to relations of all the people that have died on that road represented by white wooden crosses that the road had nothing to do with it but driver stupidity!


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    #167
    newacc2015
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Dublin Metro area is 20 times bigger than Sligo - how does that give you a better standard of living?

    I remember being in the Coombe hospital once, quite a long time back, and I can honestly not remember another hospital in any other part of the country in worse state than that.

    So a single working class area care centre (the Coombe is barely a hospital) is relative of the entire Dublin health system? I would have to disagree there.
    The Mater Private, Mater Public, Vincents etc are all amazing. The best Doctors stay in Dublin and the less than stellar doctors are shipped to the likes secondary city hospitals. There is a reason why Dublin does most of the major heart and cancer treatment.
    firemansam4 wrote: »
    You may like your fancy shoe box apartments in Dublin, but I prefer a decent size house where I live with a nice size garden for my children to play in.

    Some of us do, but most of us live in large 3/4 bed semi-ds with gardens which can afford with our higher than average wages... Only a fraction of Dublin live in apartments. Anyone who lives in a shoebox apartment would have a lower than average salary. I doubt those people would have a decent sized house with garden in Sligo

    The next time you are in Dublin go to Drumcondra, Raheny, etc and you will see the middle don't live in tiny apartments. We live in nice homes close to the city
    firemansam4 wrote: »
    You say you can pretty much do anything you want in Dublin? Well that was not the experience I had when I lived there. You cant leave your car in some places without fear of it being broken into, drugs rampant in some areas, gangland crime at its height.

    This is not the experience for me in Dublin either. Neither is it for most of the residents of Dublin...
    For someone who lived in Dublin you have a very narrow mind on it. I am going to hazard a guess if you visited the Coombe, you lived in a working class area. I might consider living in Sligo, now the fact that you seem to think that there is no drugs or crime in it...

    Some parts of Dublin have pretty much no crime. I don't know any of my friends who have been robbed or broken into in Dublin. If you live in a bad area, you will experience crime. That is not unique to Dublin. Are you going to tell me if you live in a bad area of Sligo there is zero crime or drugs?

    If Dublin is so horrible, why do people pay well over €1m for modest home in the city? Because it is an amazing city if you live in it rather than run for the first train back to Sligo every friday like a lot country residents do
    firemansam4 wrote: »

    Cant travel a few miles down the road without being delayed in traffic for ages.

    Anyway this is dragging this topic way off so I wont debate this any more unless you want to start your own thread about this?

    It is not really dragging it off topic. It shows this motorway is a want and not a necessity. You have acknowledged the traffic is bad in Dublin and crime is bad. Dublin needs money spent on it.
    But hey lets build a motorway to replace a road that it is not congested to make our odd trips to a city quicker that a lot seem to dislike but yet like to visit it a lot...

    The Government is going to find it hard to justify a motorway with low usage numbers when millions of Dubliners are stuck going from their 4 bed semi-ds in the suburbs to the city for work


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    #168
    Andy From Sligo
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    Do people really, really think that if a Motorway was built from Sligo to Dublin (or rather Sligo to the existing M4 start ) that people will just use it for the odd jaunt to Dublin? - of course it will be used for more than just that - have you no, vision people?

    Tourism, trade, Businesses, cargo, logistics, students, hospital appointments and yes sometimes the odd shopping trip up to the big smoke these are just some of the things it would be used for - if it was a decent and safe road and cut off present journey times to and from Dublin of course it would be used more and by more people than the current route ... of course if it was built it would be marketed right, there is no good marketing the present route to and from sligo at the moment because (bar some bypasses) the roads are bad, there are hold-ups at certain points ... and its even got some of the most dangerous blackspots for accidents and fatalities in the whole of the country - look at the existing map, how comes all the other major parts of the country that has something to offer have already got proper motorways to get from and to the capital but Sligo and the northwest have missed out? - I tell you why, because as normal we are the forgotten west (or should that be NorthWest rather?)


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    Jayop
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    Newacc honestly you are probably as blinkered a person as is on Boards. Certain people love the city life and certain people hate it. I'm the latter and I wouldn't live in Dublin for all the tea in china. That's not to disparage your choices at all, but you really shouldn't be so blind to other people's choices.


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    firemansam4
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    newacc2015 wrote: »
    So a single working class area care centre (the Coombe is barely a hospital) is relative of the entire Dublin health system? I would have to disagree there.
    The Mater Private, Mater Public, Vincents etc are all amazing. The best Doctors stay in Dublin and the less than stellar doctors are shipped to the likes secondary city hospitals. There is a reason why Dublin does most of the major heart and cancer treatment.

    The Coombe hospital is just one example, there are others I can think of in Dublin which are far from luxury. Of course private hospitals will be of much better standard, but how much of the population of Dublin get to avail of this?
    By the way there are first class private hospitals outside of the city of Dublin, one not to far from us In Balykelly in NI which many Donegal residents use


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    Some of us do, but most of us live in large 3/4 bed semi-ds with gardens which can afford with our higher than average wages... Only a fraction of Dublin live in apartments. Anyone who lives in a shoebox apartment would have a lower than average salary. I doubt those people would have a decent sized house with garden in Sligo

    Most of people in Dublin live in large semi-ds with gardens? - are you serious, all we ever here on the news is how normal people can no way near afford to buy a decent size house in Dublin because of the cost and are forced to buy smaller houses or apartments at a very high cost
    newacc2015 wrote: »
    The next time you are in Dublin go to Drumcondra, Raheny, etc and you will see the middle don't live in tiny apartments. We live in nice homes close to the city

    I have been in these area many times, and yes they are nicer houses with more space, but the vast majority of people living in Dublin cant afford to buy these houses. And have to settle for less well off areas to live.


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    This is not the experience for me in Dublin either. Neither is it for most of the residents of Dublin...
    For someone who lived in Dublin you have a very narrow mind on it. I am going to hazard a guess if you visited the Coombe, you lived in a working class area. I might consider living in Sligo, now the fact that you seem to think that there is no drugs or crime in it...

    The Coombe is a Maternity hospital that served a very wide area in Dublin, but yes I guess I did live in a working class area.
    You must be living in a bubble if you think that most residents in Dublin have not experienced any crime, maybe you where fortunate to live in a more wealthy area, but them areas would not constitute the majority of Dublin. Can you tell me how you can state this is not the experience of most residents in Dublin? have you carried out surveys on this?
    I can only talk about my experience, and ive had bikes stolen, cars broken into, been afraid to walk down streets because of gangs most likely dealing with drugs. Some of these things happening in the city centre which was not particularly a working class area.

    newacc2015 wrote: »
    Some parts of Dublin have pretty much no crime. I don't know any of my friends who have been robbed or broken into in Dublin. If you live in a bad area, you will experience crime. That is not unique to Dublin. Are you going to tell me if you live in a bad area of Sligo there is zero crime or drugs?

    Well you have had a much different experience than I have had, but I know of many people who have suffered the same things I did in Dublin.
    There is crime everywhere you go in Ireland but the scale and chances of being victim to it would be significantly reduced in Sligo IMO.
    newacc2015 wrote: »
    If Dublin is so horrible, why do people pay well over €1m for modest home in the city? Because it is an amazing city if you live in it rather than run for the first train back to Sligo every friday like a lot country residents do

    Well I did say this is all my opinion, I guess there are many people who like living in a big city, and there are many advantages as well, i do agree to that.
    But there are also many dis-advantages which I have listed.

    I think like someone else pointed out there are people who would like to live in Dublin and would hate to move to a country area and there are many people who would hate living in Dublin, its all subjective.

    The thing that got me is your smug remark that the standard of living is horrific compared to Dublin.


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    It is not really dragging it off topic. It shows this motorway is a want and not a necessity. You have acknowledged the traffic is bad in Dublin and crime is bad. Dublin needs money spent on it.
    But hey lets build a motorway to replace a road that it is not congested to make our odd trips to a city quicker that a lot seem to dislike but yet like to visit it a lot...

    The Government is going to find it hard to justify a motorway with low usage numbers when millions of Dubliners are stuck going from their 4 bed semi-ds in the suburbs to the city for work

    If you bothered to read my posts fully you would see that I agree with you on these points and that I said I don't think a motorway to Sligo is any way justified.


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    #171
    John_Rambo
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Most of people in Dublin live in large semi-ds with gardens? - are you serious, all we ever here on the news is how normal people can no way near afford to buy a decent size house in Dublin because of the cost and are forced to buy smaller houses or apartments at a very high cost

    There's a very small percentage of apartments in Dublin. Most of Dublin's housing is made up of semi detached houses with gardens. Who do you think lives in them presently? People.


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    #172
    firemansam4
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    John_Rambo wrote:
    There's a very small percentage of apartments in Dublin. Most of Dublin's housing is made up of semi detached houses with gardens. Who do you think lives in them presently? People.


    I would agree there is much more houses than apartments, not sure about semi detached being the most, I would say terrace housing. And certainly not large semi detached houses.
    But pound for pound a house in Dublin will be a lot smaller and usually if there is a garden it is very small.


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    #173
    John_Rambo
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    firemansam4 wrote: »
    I would agree there is much more houses than apartments, not sure about semi detached being the most, I would say terrace housing. And certainly not large semi detached houses.
    But pound for pound a house in Dublin will be a lot smaller and usually if there is a garden it is very small.

    The census tells us there are more semi-detached houses in Dublin than terraced houses. There are swathes of old neighbourhoods in Dublin with large semi-detached houses with large gardens. There are people living in them.


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    firemansam4
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    The census tells us there are more semi-detached houses in Dublin than terraced houses. There are swathes of old neighbourhoods in Dublin with large semi-detached houses with large gardens. There are people living in them.

    Well why wouldn't there be people living in them?

    There is still a lot more smaller houses in Dublin compared to big ones, there is always going to be areas with larger more wealthy houses.

    I assumed there would be more terraced houses going from what I have seen when I lived there, but that was a guess and I stand corrected if I am wrong. Maybe you can provide the link to back up what you said on the census because I couldn't see anything on it?

    Anyway my point is that for the money now you would get far more room and a far larger house outside Dublin.
    But this was just one point in a number of things as to why I and many others would prefer not to live in Dublin. I live in a fair sized 4 bedroom house at the moment, with a large garden. I wouldn't be able to afford a small 2 bedroom house in a working class area of Dublin for the price of what this house is worth.


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    BlinkingLights
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    There's a very small percentage of apartments in Dublin. Most of Dublin's housing is made up of semi detached houses with gardens. Who do you think lives in them presently? People.

    That's a generational divide.

    Older generations who bought houses before the previous bubble were in a very different Dublin.

    Post tigre average salary affords a decent house in Kildare. There's a huge housing crisis in Dublin at the moment. Have you been living under a rock?

    Most of my generation can't afford housing in either Dublin or Cork. I know quite a few of my friends gave emigrated because they can't match salary to cost of housing in urban Ireland.

    As for doctors and hospitals. The best centres or medical excellence tend to be near major medical schools because a lot of the higher tech stuff is supported by ongoing research, lab facilities etc.. So you've a cluster in Dublin, you've a significant cluster in Cork and you've a smaller cluster in Galway.


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    #176
    John_Rambo
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    BlinkingLights wrote: »
    Have you been living under a rock?

    Most of my generation can't afford housing in either Dublin or Cork. I know quite a few of my friends gave emigrated because they can't match salary to cost of housing in urban Ireland.

    As for doctors and hospitals. The best centres or medical excellence tend to be near major medical schools because a lot of the higher tech stuff is supported by ongoing research, lab facilities etc.. So you've a cluster in Dublin, you've a significant cluster in Cork and you've a smaller cluster in Galway.

    No. I live in Dublin where myself and most of my peers, family and neighbours live in large semi detached houses close to parks and beaches in crime free areas close to the city with excellent public transport links and great amenities.

    There is a housing shortage. It needs to be addressed and money needs to be redirected back to the city to sort out issues.

    But this barstool Sunday World talk of Dublin being a crime ridden cesspit where everyone lives in cramped one bedroom apartments is tiresome.


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    overshoot
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    John_Rambo wrote: »


    No. I live in Dublin where myself and most of my peers, family and neighbours live in large semi detached houses close to parks and beaches in crime free areas close to the city with excellent public transport links and great amenities.

    There is a housing shortage. It needs to be addressed and money needs to be redirected back to the city to sort out issues.

    But this barstool Sunday World talk of Dublin being a crime ridden cesspit where everyone lives in cramped one bedroom apartments is tiresome.
    Stop exaggerating, no one has described Dublin as "a crime ridden cesspit", merely stated the obvious that there is a higher crime level than rural ireland. Similarly your 'large' semi-Ds that everyone lives in are still smaller than houses in rural ireland and more expensive than a brand new A rated bespoke house twice the size (and i say that an an architect). The wages havn't caught up with the increase in housing/rents/general costs. Im graduated a few years and on a comparable wage to my Dublin colleagues but a fraction of the cost of living. They may earn marginally more but I've more disposable income. Your higher standard of living point is very much debatable.
    Sligo 'badly needing' a motorway was also an exaggeration but many parts of the road badly need an upgrade, just as Dublin needs metro north, Luas BXD etc.


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    #178
    BlinkingLights
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    John_Rambo wrote: »


    No. I live in Dublin where myself and most of my peers, family and neighbours live in large semi detached houses close to parks and beaches in crime free areas close to the city with excellent public transport links and great amenities.

    There is a housing shortage. It needs to be addressed and money needs to be redirected back to the city to sort out issues.

    But this barstool Sunday World talk of Dublin being a crime ridden cesspit where everyone lives in cramped one bedroom apartments is tiresome.

    The housing crisis is down to an over reaction to the previous bubble where all construction completely stopped in 2008 and by a total lack of investment in social housing in Dublin and Cork that's left both cities in a situation where they've a full blown housing crisis where the private rental sector has been used to provide social housing and is now failing.

    I've lived in multiple cities in Europe and Dublin does not even remotely rate on "good transport links". It has amenities in some areas and not others.

    Some of the older areas are nice, a lot of the newer stuff built in the boom, particularly West Dublin / Blanchardstown and also older areas like Tallaght have extremely poor amenities.

    Dublin's fine IF you were on the property ladder 20+ years ago and have a house in a decent area.

    If you're arriving now or during the previous bubble, it's extremely bad value for money and quality and size of housing isn't great.

    It compares to some similar over priced English cities and to Cork, that's about it.

    If you've lived on the continent generally the standards of public transport and civic amenities is light years ahead.


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    #179
    John_Rambo
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    Agreed. Money needs to be redirected back to the city and bring the newer, neglected parts up to standard. Less motorways, more public transport.


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    Jayop
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    Argues in one post that the city is Except with great public transport, then argues in another post that funding needs redirected to the city to bring public transport up to scratch.

    John it would seem you are prepared to say any old rubbish to back up whatever particular point you're making at that time and have no problem saying the exact opposite if it backs up a later point you're making.


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    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Jayop wrote: »
    Argues in one post that the city is Except with great public transport, then argues in another post that funding needs redirected to the city to bring public transport up to scratch.

    John it would seem you are prepared to say any old rubbish to back up whatever particular point you're making at that time and have no problem saying the exact opposite if it backs up a later point you're making.

    No, read the posts again, slowly this time. :)

    I've bolded the important bits to help you understand.

    I said I live in a part of Dublin that has excellent public transport and amenities.

    Then I said that the newer neglected parts needed to be bought up to standard.


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