Will brass be a thing of the past?

Cass · 14-02-2017 08:57PM #1

Interesting article.

With brass being around so long you'd wonder how this has not come up before now, or i suppose it's more a case of people have tried other things, but nothing either works or works as well as brass.

Will be interesting to see if this can be used and then applied to other firearms such as rifles, etc. down the road.

NevadaPod · 14-02-2017 09:29PM

I dunno....hard to believe that it's cheaper than brass...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 14-02-2017 10:17PM

And I was thinking to myself "wtf do bras have to do with shooting, and how would they possibly ever be a thing of the past". I need more sleep.

Zxthinger · 14-02-2017 10:28PM

Jesus. I never even got to reload brass yet.

gunny123 · 14-02-2017 11:43PM

I remember Voere in Austria tried something similar years ago with a caseless cartridge and electronic ignition. It was a small cartridge in the .223 sort of size. The propellant was moulded into the shape of the chamber with the bullet cast into it. I believe the cartridge had problems with swelling when it got damp. In the end it fell by the wayside, imho i think they were trying to develope it for military use.

Didn't remington try to do an electronic primer a few years back too ? Didn't catch on either.

I don't think brass will ever be a thing of the past, its such a simple and well developed concept, used in hundreds of millions of firearms all over the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qP6Q9ZEsEo

Grizzly 45 · 15-02-2017 12:09AM

Talk to Heckler & Koch about caseless ammo and the guns to go with it.They have/had an assault rifle ready to go into production.The G11.This gun looks like a rectangle of plastic,and wouldn't be out of place on a scene from Alien.
However the one big problem with it is HEAT dissipation.As the gun is virtually self contained,it has no real way to vent off the massive heat build up. Kind of a biatch these days with thermal vision. and worse a couple of proto types exploded due to massive heat build up and cooking off the ammo.
Apart from that it has a massive rate of fire out of a little 4.5 mm caseless round and is extremely reliable,but years ahead of its time with still a few glitches.

yubabill1 · 15-02-2017 08:11AM

gunny123 wrote: »

I remember Voere in Austria tried something similar years ago with a caseless cartridge and electronic ignition. It was a small cartridge in the .223 sort of size. The propellant was moulded into the shape of the chamber with the bullet cast into it. I believe the cartridge had problems with swelling when it got damp. In the end it fell by the wayside, imho i think they were trying to develope it for military use.

Didn't remington try to do an electronic primer a few years back too ? Didn't catch on either.

I don't think brass will ever be a thing of the past, its such a simple and well developed concept, used in hundreds of millions of firearms all over the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qP6Q9ZEsEo

The Voeres (not entirely sure if that was the maker, definitely a good quality European maker) were available in the '80's and I was really excited to see whether they would be available here at the time.

Forgotten weapons did a video on them, apparently the ammo is worth almost as much as the gun now.

OK a google brought up an article on the above. It was a Voere, as you correctly said, the VEC -91

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/09/caseless-wonder-vec-91/

gunny123 · 15-02-2017 01:15PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Talk to Heckler & Koch about caseless ammo and the guns to go with it.They have/had an assault rifle ready to go into production.The G11.This gun looks like a rectangle of plastic,and wouldn't be out of place on a scene from Alien.
However the one big problem with it is HEAT dissipation.As the gun is virtually self contained,it has no real way to vent off the massive heat build up. Kind of a biatch these days with thermal vision. and worse a couple of proto types exploded due to massive heat build up and cooking off the ammo.
Apart from that it has a massive rate of fire out of a little 4.5 mm caseless round and is extremely reliable,but years ahead of its time with still a few glitches.

Have a look at the first 5mins of this Grizz, it explains all about the hk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96q1vaJhbDk

sfakiaman · 15-02-2017 01:26PM

If you want weird try googling the Dardick revolver which fired polymer trounds.

tac foley · 15-02-2017 05:29PM

sfakiaman wrote: »

If you want weird try googling the Dardick revolver which fired polymer trounds.

THREE-sided, too! [Hence TRounds - triangular rounds] I have a couple in my collection. The pistol itself could be converted into a carbine, simply by inserting it into a carbine stock and barrel unit.

Another dead-end, like the amazing Gyro-jet, that fired/launched a .45cal miniature ROCKET!!!

tac

Grizzly 45 · 15-02-2017 10:33PM

Even Daisey,who make BB guns got into this caseless lark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNg6laaiWo

tac foley · 16-02-2017 08:45AM

I'd almost forgotten having owned one for a short while back in the day. The real problem was the little propellant bit breaking off in your pocket - that's prolly what killed it off.

tac

Grizzly 45 · 16-02-2017 12:57PM

Until electro magnetic rail guns become man portable sometime in the future,I think we are going to be using brass,and varients thereof for awhile yet.
There even was a plastic ammo case in the 1980s that has been updated here
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/01/new-polycase-ammunition-and-injection-molded-bullets/

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