Eir rural FTTH thread

long_b · 11-02-2017 02:00PM

Right - I've been wrong before but looks like this is the proper fibre running outside my house now ?
How does that tension look on the fibre line (top line) - be interested to hear from the poster who had the "banjo string" incident

11-02-2017 02:14PM

long_b wrote: »

Right - I've been wrong before but looks like this is the proper fibre running outside my house now ?
How does that tension look on the fibre line (top line) - be interested to hear from the poster who had the "banjo string" incident

Yes that is the fibre and it looks like there is a bit of slack between the poles (good), it appears that the fibres require less slack than the copper cables, but they do need some slack.

The first time the fibres were strung up here it looked like they were installed by a fencing contractor who had tensioned them up so there was no slack at all.

If anyone is interested in seeing the clamp and fibre close up here are a couple of pictures of the clamp and one of the cut end of the fibre, when they replaced the fibres, they left a bit behind at the side of the road.

Gonzo · 11-02-2017 02:21PM

long_b wrote: »

Right - I've been wrong before but looks like this is the proper fibre running outside my house now ?
How does that tension look on the fibre line (top line) - be interested to hear from the poster who had the "banjo string" incident

that looks similar to my area except that the slack between the poles is turned upwards in your image, in my area it's turned downwards, not sure if it makes a difference.

11-02-2017 02:41PM

Gonzo wrote: »

that looks similar to my area except that the slack between the poles is turned upwards in your image, in my area it's turned downwards, not sure if it makes a difference.

You mean the slack between the clamps as it passes the pole, it seems to be random and dependent on the natural the way the cable was uncoiled during installation.
The slack I was concerned about was from pole to pole.

11-02-2017 02:50PM

For the curious, here are a couple of close up shots of the actual fibre cable.

This is the main structure, 3 fibre cables and two reinforcing ropes plus additional reinforcement in the sleeve.

this is one of the cores stripped revealing 12 fibre strands.

Gonzo · 11-02-2017 03:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean the slack between the clamps as it passes the pole, it seems to be random and dependent on the natural the way the cable was uncoiled during installation.
The slack I was concerned about was from pole to pole.

the slack from pole to pole is fairly straight in all of Dunshaughlin, not guitar string tight but not far off. Certainly much more straight than the copper.

long_b · 11-02-2017 05:39PM

I must say it's a great relief. We are at the end of a blue line and I had been worried that the plans would be changed.
Event though there may be months to wait seeing it outside is great.
For info they seem to have gone about 100m past where the line was due to end. Looks like they added on a couple of poles to cover some newer houses.

Best of luck to everyone still waiting.

jgbyr · 11-02-2017 05:56PM

We're on a blue line but the current copper lines on our road are underground.. When they eventually run the fibre do they use the existing ducting?

Gonzo · 11-02-2017 06:11PM

long_b wrote: »

I must say it's a great relief. We are at the end of a blue line and I had been worried that the plans would be changed.
Event though there may be months to wait seeing it outside is great.
For info they seem to have gone about 100m past where the line was due to end. Looks like they added on a couple of poles to cover some newer houses.

Best of luck to everyone still waiting.

perhaps your exchange will slight overshoot the original target number of premises like 2 exchanges are already finished now with an extra 10 premises.

Mickeroo · 11-02-2017 06:19PM

long_b wrote: »

I must say it's a great relief. We are at the end of a blue line and I had been worried that the plans would be changed.
Event though there may be months to wait seeing it outside is great.
For info they seem to have gone about 100m past where the line was due to end. Looks like they added on a couple of poles to cover some newer houses.

Best of luck to everyone still waiting.

At my partner's parents house in Kinvara the blue line ended at their neighbours house but the fibre looks to have been wired to the last pole on the lane regardless. A glimmer of hope for those stuck just off the blue lines.

Her father says he told the engineers to be sure to wire to the next pole and they said they would, whether they were going to do it anyway or not I don't know but it could be worth it to badger them

cabledude · 11-02-2017 06:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

For the curious, here are a couple of close up shots of the actual fibre cable.

This is the main structure, 3 fibre cables and two reinforcing ropes plus additional reinforcement in the sleeve

Those ropes are referred to as dummy cores. They are used to maintain the correct 'lay' of the actual cores to ensure no problems during extruding the final sheath. Say you have a 5 core cable. If these 5 cores are put together as they are, one of them is going to be in the centre and the other 4 layed around this central core. The external sheath finish on this will be crap. By adding a 'dummy' into the centre, and the 5 cores build around the dummy, it makes for a better process and ultimately a more smooth finish on the outer sheath.

Dr. Nick · 11-02-2017 09:10PM

Tara pushed out as well.

Question regarding failing lines on blue lines - eir rep was here (not selling fibre yet) and he's telling me houses around me are getting eir broadband but my line is failing and there may be an issue with it. New build and we're only here seven years so not sure why there should be any issues.
Why are lines failing, is it only because they're old or could there be another reason? I'm not prepared to let this 'line fail' stop me getting fibre at this stage!

Our line ALWAYS failed but I assumed that's because we're a long way from the exchange. Also, eir rep was a bit of an idiot, 7 months in the job and no clue. I did get a 4G trial from him though, I'm assuming upgraders will get preference IF the 4G modem works, on around 4/5mpbs with Ripplecon at the moment.

The Cush · 11-02-2017 09:23PM

jgbyr wrote: »

We're on a blue line but the current copper lines on our road are underground.. When they eventually run the fibre do they use the existing ducting?

Not sure, but in the last few days around my area they installed another duct for the fibre run in places where the overhead cable diverts underground to avoid powerlines etc.

long_b · 11-02-2017 09:35PM

Dr. Nick wrote: »

Tara pushed out as well.

Question regarding failing lines on blue lines - eir rep was here (not selling fibre yet) and he's telling me houses around me are getting eir broadband but my line is failing and there may be an issue with it. New build and we're only here seven years so not sure why there should be any issues.
Why are lines failing, is it only because they're old or could there be another reason? I'm not prepared to let this 'line fail' stop me getting fibre at this stage!

Our line ALWAYS failed but I assumed that's because we're a long way from the exchange. Also, eir rep was a bit of an idiot, 7 months in the job and no clue. I did get a 4G trial from him though, I'm assuming upgraders will get preference IF the 4G modem works, on around 4/5mpbs with Ripplecon at the moment.

How would your copper line failing affect a new fibre line? Unless it's coming into your house via a duct that's now blocked?

ED E · 11-02-2017 09:46PM

Dr. Nick wrote: »

Tara pushed out as well.

Question regarding failing lines on blue lines - eir rep was here (not selling fibre yet) and he's telling me houses around me are getting eir broadband but my line is failing and there may be an issue with it. New build and we're only here seven years so not sure why there should be any issues.
Why are lines failing, is it only because they're old or could there be another reason? I'm not prepared to let this 'line fail' stop me getting fibre at this stage!

Our line ALWAYS failed but I assumed that's because we're a long way from the exchange. Also, eir rep was a bit of an idiot, 7 months in the job and no clue. I did get a 4G trial from him though, I'm assuming upgraders will get preference IF the 4G modem works, on around 4/5mpbs with Ripplecon at the moment.

long_b wrote: »

How would your copper line failing affect a new fibre line? Unless it's coming into your house via a duct that's now blocked?

A 3rd party sales rep has just confused him. Ignore it.

Dr. Nick · 11-02-2017 10:08PM

ED E wrote: »

A 3rd party sales rep has just confused him. Ignore it.

I should ignore it you mean?

Gonzo · 11-02-2017 11:32PM

long_b wrote: »

How would your copper line failing affect a new fibre line? Unless it's coming into your house via a duct that's now blocked?

agreed it can't fail if the FTTH fibre is a fresh install, perhaps the Eir guy is getting mixed up with FTTC.

Ron603 · 12-02-2017 10:44AM

2 Eir vans are working with the splice boxes in Aghadoe, Killarney this morning. I'm surprised that they are doing work on a Sunday.

Gonzo · 12-02-2017 12:14PM

Ron603 wrote: »

2 Eir vans are working with the splice boxes in Aghadoe, Killarney this morning. I'm surprised that they are doing work on a Sunday.

they do that when an area is nearing completion for wiring and are ready to move on to somewhere else. The rollout is still over 6 months behind the original schedule so have been working weekends since end of November.

KeRbDoG · 12-02-2017 02:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes that is the fibre and it looks like there is a bit of slack between the poles (good), it appears that the fibres require less slack than the copper cables, but they do need some slack.

The first time the fibres were strung up here it looked like they were installed by a fencing contractor who had tensioned them up so there was no slack at all.

If anyone is interested in seeing the clamp and fibre close up here are a couple of pictures of the clamp and one of the cut end of the fibre, when they replaced the fibres, they left a bit behind at the side of the road.

The 'cut end' photo'd looks like a subduct, once which fiber would be blown down once laid in an existing duct or in a new trench to a pole but it has a strength member in it from what I can see in that photo...anyone know any better?

Grumpypants · 12-02-2017 03:06PM

I thought things had gone quiet around Kinvarra but on the way to the burren yesterday there was a gang of Eir vans working on a big silver box up a pole at one spot on the flaggy shore side of town.

I didn't get a close look at what they were doing, as I was driving, but did notice a few poles just beyond them had lots of new cable tied to the top of it. Must take a trip down again and check out the tops of the poles see if the cable is run through the white hooks they put in recently.

Grumpypants · 12-02-2017 04:19PM

Here are the pics. Not sure if that is the fiber or a guide wire to help run fiber along.

12-02-2017 04:41PM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

The 'cut end' photo'd looks like a subduct, once which fiber would be blown down once laid in an existing duct or in a new trench to a pole but it has a strength member in it from what I can see in that photo...anyone know any better?

Those three sleeves each carry 12 fibres as shown in the picture I posted a couple of posts later.
here is one of the sleeves stripped back to reveal the fibres.

ratracer · 12-02-2017 09:29PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

I thought things had gone quiet around Kinvarra but on the way to the burren yesterday there was a gang of Eir vans working on a big silver box up a pole at one spot on the flaggy shore side of town.

I didn't get a close look at what they were doing, as I was driving, but did notice a few poles just beyond them had lots of new cable tied to the top of it. Must take a trip down again and check out the tops of the poles see if the cable is run through the white hooks they put in recently.

There were 6-8 eircom vans working from Kinvara towards Traught today, pulling more cable through. This is very positive I hope. The Ardrahan road looks like it has the fibre cable in place, nothing up the gort road yet though.

Gonzo · 12-02-2017 10:28PM

progress seems to be kicking off more widespread now I hope.

MBSnr · 12-02-2017 10:44PM

Gonzo wrote: »

progress seems to be kicking off more widespread now I hope.

What's surprising me is that they are cutting trees and hedgerows for areas that are listed as summer 2018 - a year and a half in advance! Headford in Galway is an example. Nearly looks like every 3rd pole on one road is marked with a D for replacement...

I'd have thought they'd be cutting after Aug his year but perhaps they figure that things might progress faster as the rollout goes on and they'd like to be prepared with the pole replacement.

12-02-2017 10:56PM

MBSnr wrote: »

What's surprising me is that they are cutting trees and hedgerows for areas that are listed as summer 2018 - a year and a half in advance! Headford in Galway is an example. Nearly looks like every 3rd pole on one road is marked with a D for replacement...

I'd have thought they'd be cutting after Aug his year but perhaps they figure that things might progress faster as the rollout goes on and they'd like to be prepared with the pole replacement.

My understanding of the installation process is that each team are dedicated to one task, the tree cutters and the cable erectors are totally separate operations and just follow the job sheet. It could be that the tree cutters are well ahead of the game so unless there is some really rapid growth before the cable erectors arrive, it shouldn't be an issue.

The other point is that it is illegal to cut back hedges during the summer months.

MBSnr · 12-02-2017 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The other point is that it is illegal to cut back hedges during the summer months.

Yeah I know. That's why I mentioned after Aug.

Gonzo · 13-02-2017 12:06AM

MBSnr wrote: »

What's surprising me is that they are cutting trees and hedgerows for areas that are listed as summer 2018 - a year and a half in advance! Headford in Galway is an example. Nearly looks like every 3rd pole on one road is marked with a D for replacement...

I'd have thought they'd be cutting after Aug his year but perhaps they figure that things might progress faster as the rollout goes on and they'd like to be prepared with the pole replacement.

possibly just starting early with a plan to come back and do bits every few months till it's completed. By the time I get connected here it will be a full 12 months since work started.

irelandjoe · 13-02-2017 01:05AM

Tree clearing in Rural Nenagh by contractor a few months ago said its for FTTH, not seen any movement anyone heard anything ?

Eir rural FTTH thread

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