"Asylum seeker" defrauded state of €280 thousand

Geuze · 07-02-2017 09:27PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0207/850843-adrian-vaduva-court/

A failed asylum seeker got his hands on false documents and went for asylum again. Has asylum granted under his false identity and claims social welfare. Later his country of origin becomes an EU member and using original identity gets a second claim.

Very worrying about how easy it was to go from rejected asylum seeker to being granted asylum. Given the current situation it doesn't fill me with confidence. I wonder if the person who fell for his second sob story and granted him asylum will be held to account ?

90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, this is well known, and has been stated by the Minister for Justice.

Recently, 1000s of male Asians illegally entered the country, claimed asylum, and entered into sham marriages with EU women.

The Gardai were shocked by the scale of it.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=16224

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gangs-reap-15m-over-two-years-from-bogus-marriages-34235525.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/how-irish-sham-marriage-scam-was-dismantled-1.2949970

0ph0rce0 · 07-02-2017 09:30PM

osarusan wrote: »

For what reason would a Romanian be seeking asylum in 1999?

For 280k

Ulysses Gaze · 07-02-2017 09:58PM

osarusan wrote: »

For what reason would a Romanian be seeking asylum in 1999?

Maybe Romani and claiming he was being persecuted as a minority?

joebloggs32 · 07-02-2017 10:05PM

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Waste of time jailing him. He's not a danger to society. There really needs to be a way for these types of criminals to work off their debt to the state, be it community service for a decade if needs be. All jailing him achieves is to waste even more of taxpayer's money, as if he hasn't had enough of it already.

I agree that jailing him will cost money now, but it may act as a deferent to others and therefore it may save money in the long run.

07-02-2017 10:11PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Wow 1 example. You showed me:pac:

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Department-of-Social-Protection---Fraud-_-Error-Surveys.aspx You will find a couple of statistics here.

Grandeeod · 07-02-2017 10:16PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0207/850843-adrian-vaduva-court/

I wonder if the person who fell for his second sob story and granted him asylum will be held to account ?

LOL! Public service unions. Not a fcuking hope!:D

Sweetemotion · 07-02-2017 10:22PM

222233 wrote: »

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Department-of-Social-Protection---Fraud-_-Error-Surveys.aspx You will find a couple of statistics here.

Do you think the judge should have just told this guy, "ah sure don't worry about it" Irish nationals do this all the time?

I'm confused as to what point you are making?

This case was national because of the new technology used, not the fact he was a foreign national.

07-02-2017 10:26PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Do you think the judge should have just told this guy, "ah sure don't worry about it" Irish nationals do this all the time?

I'm confused as to what point you are making?

This case was national because of the new technology used, not the fact he was a foreign national.

Perhaps, I just don't find the story particularly shocking. I'm much more concerned about how my tax is being spent in Ibiza, would be great if they could be as brilliant at spotting that, what we regain in tax might fund our collapsed health service, you never know.

Grandeeod · 07-02-2017 10:30PM

222233 wrote: »

Perhaps, I just don't find the story particularly shocking. I'm much more concerned about how my tax is being spent in Ibiza, would be great if they could be as brilliant at spotting that, what we regain in tax might fund our collapsed health service, you never know.

Whats Ibiza got to do with anything?

Our health service hasn't collapsed. It gets over 14 billion a year. Its problem is too much admin and management and no Government ballsy enough to deal with the reality.

KingBrian2 · 07-02-2017 10:46PM

osarusan wrote: »

For what reason would a Romanian be seeking asylum in 1999?

Many Roma's emigrated into Europe from the Balkans throughout the 90's many arrived in Italy similar to now Arabs and Blacks coming from Libya.

Boatlake · 07-02-2017 10:49PM

Trump's wall won't keep Romanians out

Fred Swanson · 07-02-2017 10:53PM

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Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 07-02-2017 11:13PM

joebloggs32 wrote: »

I agree that jailing him will cost money now, but it may act as a deferent to others and therefore it may save money in the long run.

So would giving him ten years community service. Or taking away his tax credits. There's better possible alternatives.

AlekSmart · 07-02-2017 11:28PM

222233 wrote: »

Perhaps, I just don't find the story particularly shocking. I'm much more concerned about how my tax is being spent in Ibiza, would be great if they could be as brilliant at spotting that, what we regain in tax might fund our collapsed health service, you never know.

Fear you not,your tax € is being spent far more effectively in France....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0110/843806-calais-unaccompanied-minors/

Officials from the minister's office, and also the Child and Family Agency, Tusla, last week travelled to France to meet their counterparts to discuss several legal issues and the validation processes for the unaccompanied children to come to Ireland.

Speaking on RTÉ's Drivetime, Minister Zappone said,that the children will join one or two of the residential centres established for unaccompanied minors in different parts of the country.

She said that Tusla will be given the resources required to receive the young people, with the money coming from her department.

They'd be better advised visiting Disneyland Paris.....:rolleyes:

FlawedGenius · 08-02-2017 01:14AM

Disgrace of a sentence. Sent most of his money back to his poor family in Romania, which if your born there, god help you. We take from them in other ways, cheap labour etc. Judge clearly hated Romanians. Despite what everybody thinks, is a slavic country (blonde blue eyes) not gypsy/jew origin.

Then that Lithuanian who drowned her baby got no custodial sentence?? She should of been hung. World is gone mad.

Luck of the draw and what side of the bed the judges get out if in the morning these days. Who would ever want to be a judge, sending people to prison, pure evil. No judge can be a nice person fact

FlawedGenius · 08-02-2017 01:22AM

I would never stand for a judge, all rise, eh no.
Payed a fortune to make people suffer. I know there has to be judges but they shouldn't be payed more than plumbers, its not a hard job, they cant EVER be punished for a wrong sentence.
They love the sound of there own voices and ofcourse theyv had a handy life born into wealth payed for college by Daddy and don't understand what makes people HAVE to commit crimes, to most of the time survive.

Ulysses Gaze · 08-02-2017 01:33AM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I would never stand for a judge, all rise, eh no.
Payed a fortune to make people suffer. I know there has to be judges but they shouldn't be payed more than plumbers, its not a hard job, they cant EVER be punished for a wrong sentence.
They love the sound of there own voices and ofcourse theyv had a handy life born into wealth payed for college by Daddy and don't understand what makes people HAVE to commit crimes, to most of the time survive.

Fail to rise in front of a judge in Ireland and you'll be found in contempt of court and thrown in jail. Your case will be adjourned costing you more money, and the judge will take a dim view of you when it comes to sentencing if you are found guilty.

FlawedGenius · 08-02-2017 01:37AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Fail to rise in front of a judge in Ireland and you'll be found in contempt of court and thrown in jail. Your case will be adjourned costing you more money, and the judge will take a dim view of you when it comes to sentencing if you are found guilty.

Alright Gard

FlawedGenius · 08-02-2017 01:41AM

I meant if I'm watching court, I never stood up. Instead of going to the cinema
somedays I'l watch court.

oneilla · 08-02-2017 02:30AM

Steal from a movie studio and it's all "Kodi this, and Kodi that"

Fleece the welfare system and it's all "hang him, build a wall"

Donald Trump · 08-02-2017 05:08AM

Skatedude wrote: »

Build A Wall

That's my feckin' line

Donald Trump · 08-02-2017 05:10AM

oneilla wrote: »

Steal from a movie studio and it's all "Kodi this, and Kodi that"

Fleece the welfare system and it's all "hang him, build a wall"

How about:
"Build a wall and hang him off the side of it like a basket of flowers"

worded · 08-02-2017 05:38AM

I bet he made a "big issue" out of it in 1999

Clampdown · 08-02-2017 05:48AM

Apple owes us 19 billion and our government won't take it.

worded · 08-02-2017 06:01AM

That's an astronomical amount of money to defraud the country of.

It's great they are being caught by technology.

How did this face recog software get past the ... it violates our rights ... brigade ?

Your Face · 08-02-2017 08:27AM

This one person was caught.
I wonder how many similar people went undetected.

biko · 08-02-2017 10:49AM

€280 thousand? No-one writes it like that.

suicide_circus · 08-02-2017 11:04AM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Disgrace of a sentence. Sent most of his money back to his poor family in Romania, which if your born there, god help you. We take from them in other ways, cheap labour etc. Judge clearly hated Romanians. Despite what everybody thinks, is a slavic country (blonde blue eyes) not gypsy/jew origin.

Then that Lithuanian who drowned her baby got no custodial sentence?? She should of been hung. World is gone mad.

Luck of the draw and what side of the bed the judges get out if in the morning these days. Who would ever want to be a judge, sending people to prison, pure evil. No judge can be a nice person fact

Romanians are not slavs.

Conall Cernach · 08-02-2017 11:32AM

Jayop wrote: »

Surely not the full 280k was fraudulent if he was getting it as entitled on his genuine ID from 2008 on.

But didn't he continue to claim on the fraudulent ID as well which is how he was caught? If he was claiming for a spouse and children then he could rack up 280K between 1999 and 2016 on that claim alone.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 08-02-2017 11:40AM

Why wasn't he simply deported and banned from ever returning. He came here and robbed the irish state of over quarter of a million, now the lecherous prick is going to cost the tax payer the same again (if not more) in prison upkeep and no doubt he'll be entitled to dole/social welfare when he gets out of prison. Deport him and rid society of another burden.

"Asylum seeker" defrauded state of €280 thousand

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