"Asylum seeker" defrauded state of €280 thousand

Mr McBoatface · 07-02-2017 07:30PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0207/850843-adrian-vaduva-court/

A failed asylum seeker got his hands on false documents and went for asylum again. Has asylum granted under his false identity and claims social welfare. Later his country of origin becomes an EU member and using original identity gets a second claim.

The new social welfare ID system caught him out, it's great to see the investment pay back. I'm sure he is not the only person doing this scam , plenty other non Irish doing so , along with Irish fraudsters too.

Very worrying about how easy it was to go from rejected asylum seeker to being granted asylum. Given the current situation it doesn't fill me with confidence. I wonder if the person who fell for his second sob story and granted him asylum will be held to account ?

Sending him to jail just seems like more money wasted. Surely a parachute and a flight over Romania is a better option for the tax payer.

What does AH think ?

Arghus · 07-02-2017 07:32PM

It's a disgrace Joe.

Arcade_Tryer · 07-02-2017 07:33PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

What does AH think ?

Excellent display of entrepreneurial spirit and innovative thinking that is sorely lacking in educated Ireland.

Mr McBoatface · 07-02-2017 07:33PM

Arghus wrote: »

It's a disgrace Joe.

Thanks but I'm not Joe

Arghus · 07-02-2017 07:35PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

Thanks but I'm not Joe

It's a disgrace Mr McBoatface.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 07-02-2017 07:38PM

Like my school teachers used to telly mammy Lexie at the parent teacher meetings.

"She'd be capable of great results if she only applied herself"

That lad would take over the world if he focused himself

Arghus · 07-02-2017 07:39PM

Seems pretty focused to me!

07-02-2017 07:43PM

3 years is a bloody farce. A young lad from Crumlin got a similar sentence for spending 20 off grand that wasn't his. Cant see why this this trickster got off so light

Mr McBoatface · 07-02-2017 07:48PM

barrier86 wrote: »

3 years is a bloody farce. A young lad from Crumlin got a similar sentence for spending 20 off grand that wasn't his. Cant see why this this trickster got off so light

Ah but this lad cried alot... has a sick mammy and child in romania. I'm sure that was verified

ScumLord · 07-02-2017 07:48PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

Very worrying about how easy it was to go from rejected asylum seeker to being granted asylum. Given the current situation it doesn't fill me with confidence.

Given that you say the new ID caught this guy out it seems like the solution is already in place.

I wonder if the person who fell for his second sob story and granted him asylum will be held to account ?

It may not have been his fault. As long as these people know the weaknesses in the system it can be hard for what is probably a paper pusher to be able to spot them. There could be all sorts of policies that focus on the paperwork over any other facts and if the persons job is to process paperwork they probably don't have time to investigate possible false claims, that's likely someone else job.

JaffaP · 07-02-2017 07:55PM

Lowlife thief should have got 30 years.

Mr McBoatface · 07-02-2017 07:58PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Given that you say the new ID caught this guy out it seems like the solution is already in place.

Only applies to Irish social welfare system, not shared with other EU welfare systems. There is no facial recognition system in place for asylum seekers in the EU so failed seekers in one country can move to another and make another false claim. So the solution isn't in place only a part of it.

It's still possible to be working or claiming in NI with one identity and claiming in the Republic with another just an example of the scam in another form

Skatedude · 07-02-2017 08:07PM

Build A Wall

Kivaro · 07-02-2017 08:13PM

barrier86 wrote: »

3 years is a bloody farce....

And don't forget the obligatory 9 months suspended by the judge, so it's a bit over 2 years.
So for the €280,000 he stole from the Irish people who go out to work every day to pay him his "benefits", he gets a little over 2 years prison time (also not forgetting the obligatory good behavior reduction in actual time served).

Great little country this.

Meanwhile, did anyone see RTE Investigates last night? That €280,000 could possibly have paid for the surgeries on all the individuals highlighted on the program; including the sclerosis children who were going through unbearable and constant pain while waiting inordinate times for operations.

Great little country this.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 07-02-2017 08:14PM

Waste of time jailing him. He's not a danger to society. There really needs to be a way for these types of criminals to work off their debt to the state, be it community service for a decade if needs be. All jailing him achieves is to waste even more of taxpayer's money, as if he hasn't had enough of it already.

Kristopherus · 07-02-2017 08:16PM

Kivaro wrote: »

And don't forget the obligatory 9 months suspended by the judge, so it's a bit over 2 years.
So for the €280,000 he stole from the Irish people who go out to work every day to pay him his "benefits", he gets a little over 2 years prison time (also not forgetting the obligatory good behavior reduction in actual time served).

Great little country this.

Meanwhile, did anyone see RTE Investigates last night? That €280,000 could possibly have paid for the surgeries on all the individuals highlighted on the program; including the sclerosis children who were going through unbearable and constant pain while waiting inordinate times for operations.

Great little country this.

Totally agree. I hope he's deported when his clink time is up:mad:

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 07-02-2017 08:22PM

lucky he admitted guilt to guards stretching back to 1999. can't see how they'd prove it if he didn't.

07-02-2017 08:25PM

Many Irish people have scammed and continue to scam our social welfare system. For that one asylum seekers scam there are probably a couple of thousand Irish people doing the same except using Single Parent Allowance, Job Seekers etc..

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 07-02-2017 08:28PM

222233 wrote: »

Many Irish people have scammed and continue to scam our social welfare system. For that one asylum seekers scam there are probably a couple of thousand Irish people doing the same except using Single Parent Allowance, Job Seekers etc..

what's your point?

07-02-2017 08:32PM

georgiecasey wrote: »

what's your point?

My point is one asylum seeker scamming the system is hardly breaking news or a reason for caution, when our nationals have been and continue to do so in much greater quantities.

I'm just much more interested in hearing how the lady down the road got caught for claiming single parent allowance when the partner was living with her all along, that's betrayal.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-02-2017 08:42PM

222233 wrote: »

My point is one asylum seeker scamming the system is hardly breaking news or a reason for caution, when our nationals have been and continue to do so in much greater quantities.

I'm just much more interested in hearing how the lady down the road got caught for claiming single parent allowance when the partner was living with her all along, that's betrayal.

Assumptions are the mother of all Fcuk ups

AlekSmart · 07-02-2017 08:49PM

222233 wrote: »

Many Irish people have scammed and continue to scam our social welfare system. For that one asylum seekers scam there are probably a couple of thousand Irish people doing the same except using Single Parent Allowance, Job Seekers etc..

The good news is that the facial recognition software is unbiased towards nationality,and is detecting Native and Immigrant Crooks alike.

Foreign crooks such as this lad,upon conviction should be offered Immediate passage back to their home 20,with the Prison Sentence Immediately activated (Without Remission) should they ever return to Ireland,this of itself,will free up a cell for a native to occupy....which is surely a win-win situation ?

Is this what you are suggesting ?

07-02-2017 08:50PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Assumptions are the mother of all Fcuk ups

What part of that was an assumption? Just an example.

Most of the claims (3,078) were linked to the jobseeker’s allowance while 2,012 reports were linked to the one-parent family payment. A further 1,317 were linked to people wrongly claiming social welfare assistance, while 1,438 reports were linked to illness benefit. A dedicated phone line and website facility is provided by the department for individuals to submit anonymous reports of suspected abuses by social welfare claimants.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129

07-02-2017 08:54PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

The good news is that the facial recognition software is unbiased towards nationality,and is detecting Native and Immigrant Crooks alike.

Foreign crooks such as this lad,upon conviction should be offered Immediate passage back to their home 20,with the Prison Sentence Immediately activated (Without Remission) should they ever return to Ireland,this of itself,will free up a cell for a native to occupy....which is surely a win-win situation ?

Is this what you are suggesting ?

Never suggested anything of the such, I think it would be more efficient for our economy if the efforts and costs of implementing "facial recognition" software were used to go around investigating the abuse of payments like job seekers and single parents, particularly of the 36 or so thousand unemployed people who have never contributed a cent of tax to this country.

With regards to the jail cell, anyone who abuses the welfare system should be penalised.

AlekSmart · 07-02-2017 08:57PM

222233 wrote: »

What part of that was an assumption? Just an example.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129

Mary Cullen was another shrewd operator....

http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-cullen-social-welfare-fraud-2802655-Jun2016/

Cullen’s defence was making a plea in mitigation and citing case law when Judge Martin Nolan interrupted and said: “How can I send an 82-year-old woman to jail? It’s as simple as that. Isn’t that the only point in the case?”

Judge Nolan said it was a reprehensible offence and Cullen should be ashamed of herself but that he couldn’t “in good conscience” jail an 82-year-old. Cullen had a hard life and was a hard worker, the judge said, noting that she had worked as an office cleaner until last year.

It's just as well our President is un Trump like,or we'd perhaps have to deal with Martin Nolan being described as a "So Called" Judge

Continuing in the "keep it in-Country" vein.....

http://www.thejournal.ie/michael-cawley-jail-sentence-3075062-Nov2016/

A MAN WHO monitored a man cashing a bank cheque before following him and breaking into his car has been jailed for two years.

Michael Cawley (44) has 153 previous convictions including 120 theft charges relating to social welfare fraud.

Yesterday Judge Pauline Codd imposed a four-year sentence with two years suspended for a period of two years.

You know you're on shaky ground when your own Brief...(Most likely appearing courtesy of the Free Legal Aid Board ) begins his appeals for clemency thus....

Pieter Le Vert BL, defending, said his client had a serious alcohol problem and 120 of his previous convictions related to a six-year ongoing social welfare fraud totalling around €52,000.

Bit of Cod really though....2 years suspended,in deference to a Court Of Appeal,which might just overturn a robust Judges sentence...we're not going to have any of that now...are we ?

18 Months stir,appears the maximum you're looking at in these cases....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/welfare-fraudster-caught-using-facial-recognition-software-1.2277707

The charges were representative of Flynn going to the post office 123 times for job seekers allowance and an additional 13 occasions for both job seekers and rent allowance under the name of Brendan Flynn.

He has 10 previous convictions, including breach of the peace, larceny, careless driving, public order and illegal possession of Garda equipment.

Sergeant Kevin Mention told Caroline Cummings BL, prosecuting, the fraud was discovered using facial imaging as Flynn had been legitimately collecting the dole at his local post office but using a different PPS number and date of birth to claim under the name Brendan Flynn in Swords.

Wonder what the "Garda Equipment" was.....?

Jayop · 07-02-2017 09:02PM

Surely not the full 280k was fraudulent if he was getting it as entitled on his genuine ID from 2008 on.

osarusan · 07-02-2017 09:09PM

For what reason would a Romanian be seeking asylum in 1999?

AlekSmart · 07-02-2017 09:12PM

Jayop wrote: »

Surely not the full 280k was fraudulent if he was getting it as entitled on his genuine ID from 2008 on.

Fee's,Charges and Interest due should close off that avenue of appeal I suggest

infogiver · 07-02-2017 09:22PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Totally agree. I hope he's deported when his clink time is up:mad:

Romania is in the EU now do he can't be deported

infogiver · 07-02-2017 09:23PM

osarusan wrote: »

For what reason would a Romanian be seeking asylum in 1999?

Romania wasn't in the EU at the time

The_Kew_Tour · 07-02-2017 09:25PM

222233 wrote: »

What part of that was an assumption? Just an example.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anonymous-welfare-fraud-tip-offs-up-by-over-60-1.2805129

Wow 1 example. You showed me:pac:

"Asylum seeker" defrauded state of €280 thousand

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