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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #5492
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nothing obsessive at all Robert, it takes about 30 seconds to click the search icon at the top of the screen and enter 'Saudi' / 'RobertKK'. There's a ridiculous amount of them, given how caught up you were in people-not-named-Trump having connections to Russia and how often you just flat out decided to overlook Trump's association because it didn't fit your narrative. Look, here's another that took me all of a few seconds to find!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102138216&postcount=7542
    They are worried as the status quo is no longer the policy, that regime change is something that Trump has rejected, and that foreign policy is not a 'us versus them' when it comes to Russia.
    The experienced ones always need a bogeyman, like they had with WMD, the rubbish about Gaddafi and Benghazi, Assad in Syria, meanwhile going easy on the biggest terrorist supporting nation that is Saudi Arabia.

    It is obsessive if you choose to remember opinions that were posted. I am surprised anyone actually cares about my opinions.

    I know some see two nations like the US and Russia getting along as something bad.
    Maybe Trump should have just gave a reset button like the previous administration did, which we all know was very effective with the relationship...but you won't hear many talking about amateur hour in the previous administration.


  • #5493
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    ultra violet 5 wrote: »
    why is this thread called hail,

    why hail, ken?

    in my opinion it was originally supposed to be funny, then it became post-realistic-realism

    My guess is it's tied into white supremacist Richard Spencer's infamous "Heil/Hail Trump" speech, with Nazi salutes all over the place. He's the same guy who got a dig while being interviewed during the protests by the way.



  • #5494
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    ultra violet 5 wrote: »
    why is this thread called hail,

    why hail, ken?

    in my opinion it was originally supposed to be funny, then it became post-realistic-realism

    I assume because "Hail to the Chief" is the official Presidential National Anthem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wXEEQBHeQ


    Just like how our president has a special version of Amhrán Na bhFiann played when he arrives


  • #5495
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe you are Rip Van Winkle and have just woken up.

    He has stoked nothing across the middle east, you post as if it was a bastion of peace.

    You can't honestly believe that this is not going to inflame tensions in the ME, to create further anti-US feeling?

    Put it this way, if the order was to ban all Irish for 90 days do you think people would feel more or less happy with the US?


  • #5496
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is obsessive if you choose to remember opinions that were posted. I am surprised anyone actually cares about my opinions.

    I know some see two nations like the US and Russia getting along as something bad.
    Maybe Trump should have just gave a reset button like the previous administration did, which we all know was very effective with the relationship...but you won't hear many talking about amateur hour in the previous administration.
    It's not remotely obsessive to remember the sheer amount of hypocrisy coming from you for months on end, no. You're even right back on cue, with "but but but...!!!" because you can't bring yourself to admit that Trump stands for so much of what you claimed to be against, so you're more than happy to overlook it. Don't say you weren't warned or didn't have this pointed out to you ad nauseum ahead of time, you just seem a little miffed that it's still being pointed out and you're actually being taken to task on it, now that it's come to fruition.


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  • #5497
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe you are Rip Van Winkle and have just woken up.

    He has stoked nothing across the middle east, you post as if it was a bastion of peace.

    Threatening the Iranian nuclear treaty?

    Stringent travel restrictions on six countries in the Middle East?

    Appointing Friedman ambassador to Israel?


    So these actions will calm tensions in the Middle East?


  • #5498
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,413 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Threatening the Iranian nuclear treaty?

    Stringent travel restrictions on six countries in the Middle East?

    Appointing Friedman ambassador to Israel?


    So these actions will calm tensions in the Middle East?

    The lad is becoming increasingly clueless when confronted with actual facts.

    Its less facts now and more about the opinion from that side of the fence


  • #5499
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You can't honestly believe that this is not going to inflame tensions in the ME, to create further anti-US feeling?

    Put it this way, if the order was to ban all Irish for 90 days do you think people would feel more or less happy with the US?

    Fill out an ESTA form before any Trump administration, you are asked about visiting specific countries, and if you had, you would need have to go the visa route, and no doubt in an interview explain why you were in a country the US were already very suspicious of.


  • #5500
    ultra violet 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭ultra violet 5


    dudara wrote: »
    I assume because "Hail to the Chief" is the official Presidential National Anthem.

    Just like how our president has a special version of Amhrán Na bhFiann played when he arrives

    wenn die polizei vorbei faehrt ja, denn halt ich erstmal an , ja ;)


  • #5501
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Threatening the Iranian nuclear treaty?

    Stringent travel restrictions on six countries in the Middle East?

    Appointing Friedman ambassador to Israel?


    So these actions will calm tensions in the Middle East?

    Trump is wrong on the Iranian Nuclear deal.

    There were already hassle if one was was in an ESTA country and had visited the countries that now have a 90 day ban.

    I know nothing about Friedman so won't pretend I do.


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  • #5502
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Fill out an ESTA form before any Trump administration, you are asked about visiting specific countries, and if you had, you would need have to go the visa route, and no doubt in an interview explain why you were in a country the US were already very suspicious of.

    OK, so what you are saying is that they already have the bases covered and this achieves little. What is the point of it then?

    And again, regardless of any of that, you said that he had stoked nothing across the ME, yet it is clear that this has.

    Would you take it as a good sign if he had decided to treat Ireland like this? What would you expect Kenny to do in the circumstance?


  • #5503
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Trump is wrong on the Iranian Nuclear deal.

    There were already hassle if one was was in an ESTA country and had visited the countries that now have a 90 day ban.

    I know nothing about Friedman so won't pretend I do.

    Yes, he is.

    That 'hassle' is very much worse now.

    Friedman wants Israel to annex the West Bank, move the US embassy to Jerusalem, is against a two state solution and sees all Jewish settlements as legitimate. He is seen as so extreme that many US Jewish organisations opposed his appointment.


  • #5504
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's not remotely obsessive to remember the sheer amount of hypocrisy coming from you for months on end, no. You're even right back on cue, with "but but but...!!!" because you can't bring yourself to admit that Trump stands for so much of what you claimed to be against, so you're more than happy to overlook it. Don't say you weren't warned or didn't have this pointed out to you ad nauseum ahead of time, you just seem a little miffed that it's still being pointed out and you're actually being taken to task on it, now that it's come to fruition.

    To me it is obsessive, I don't feel the need to tell you how you should feel about something I post.

    I have no problem criticising Trump, just go and search, should take 30 seconds....because I have.

    I am only miffed that you see only what you want to see, and I wish you could use the search facility better and be more representative, than using it to be selfish to try and support what you say and not not show the full picture of what I have posted.
    Only wanting to post stuff that I have posted to try to support yourself is rather narcissistic of you. Look at me I am right, you are wrong...but you exclude the full picture.


  • #5505
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yes, he is.

    That 'hassle' is very much worse now.

    Friedman wants Israel to annex the West Bank, move the US embassy to Jerusalem, is against a two state solution and sees all Jewish settlements as legitimate. He is seen as so extreme that many US Jewish organisations opposed his appointment.

    I don't think it changes much. Actual intervention over the past 14 years, over the presidencies of Bush and Obama is where the extremism has really come from, and with allies who should be sworn enemies.


  • #5506
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't think it changes much. Actual intervention over the past 14 years, over the presidencies of Bush and Obama is where the extremism has really come from, and with allies who should be sworn enemies.


    Perhaps, it remains to be seen. However, his pronouncements and recent actions bode ill for the Middle East.


  • #5507
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    It's interesting how Trump and his more fanatical supporters have been trying to force coverage onto the smaller things. One of the largest marches in US history and they focus on a single incident of violence and some discarded rubbish. They don't just focus on it, the blow it way out of proportion too. Massive protests at airports all across the nation and they focus on a single man who said he liked Trump. Seems to be an evolution from deflecting criticism onto Obama and Clinton. Now they just try and make people not be able to see the forest for the trees.


  • #5508
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman




  • #5509
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru




    https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

    Not sure what to make of all this.

    I'm out.


  • #5510
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah, I mean it's not like Trump ran on a platform of a Muslim ban or anything...

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
    Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

    Somalia - 99.8% Muslim.
    Yemen - 99.1% Muslim
    Iraq - 99% Muslim.
    Iran - 98.4% Muslim.
    Sudan - 97% Muslim
    Libya - 96.6% Muslim.
    Syria - 92.1% Muslim (probably far higher with non Muslims more likely to have fled than Muslims during the war)




    Now if this was about terrorism as opposed to Muslims who don't line Trump and his family's pockets, why were Saudi and Pakistan left off the list?

    Trump is complaining about it being called a Muslim ban. Trump promised a Muslim ban and his supporters are saying he is just doing what he promised. If it isn't a Muslim ban then they are lying, Trump has backed down and the supporters who think he promised this are idiots. Which is it?


    Have yet to get a response for what terrorist attacks would have been prevented thanks to this ban, I can only assume none. I would have thought informed Trump supporters would be glad to prove me wrong. Guess there aren't any.


  • #5511
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    orubiru wrote: »


    https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

    Not sure what to make of all this.

    I'm out.

    It's just more deflection. It's completely irrelevant. Let's say you are an accountant investigating missing money from a company. You narrow the missing money down to one department with 7 workers in it. You go to the boss and say "I've narrowed it down and it's most likely someone in this department". Your boss subsequently fires them all. Is that your fault? You simply gave him a list of people to keep an eye on, you can't be held responsible because he went overboard and fired everyone.


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  • #5512
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    orubiru wrote: »
    https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

    Not sure what to make of all this.

    I'm out.

    It's quite true.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/

    However, there is very arguably overreach in the executive order in that it applies even to current legal residents. I don't know if it's a legal overreach or a moral one (Residency is provided at the pleasure of the USG after all) but I think it is safe to say that the way the order has been put is... discomforting?


  • #5513
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's just more deflection. It's completely irrelevant. Let's say you are an accountant investigating missing money from a company. You narrow the missing money down to one department with 7 workers in it. You go to the boss and say "I've narrowed it down and it's most likely someone in this department". Your boss subsequently fires them all. Is that your fault? You simply gave him a list of people to keep an eye on, you can't be held responsible because he went overboard and fired everyone.

    Fair point. I'm not interested in defending Trump.


  • #5514
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Your boss subsequently fires them all. Is that your fault? You simply gave him a list of people to keep an eye on, you can't be held responsible because he went overboard and fired everyone.

    The boss's responsibility is to the company and the shareholders first, and, here, at least, employment is 'at will.' If replacing the 7 persons is easy enough, and if the money lost in the expense is less than the money going missing, then one cannot say that the boss over-reacted if there is no way of solidly determining who that one person is. In which case, your function as the accountant led to the correct course of action for the company.


  • #5515
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    orubiru wrote: »

    Not sure what to make of all this.

    I'm out.

    You should at least try to understand it. Easier said than done, it appears a lot of Americans have absolutely no idea what the Visa Waiver Program is, resulting in them talking absolute boll**ks.

    I'd stay off whatever website you've pulled those links from though.


  • #5516
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,413 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    The boss's responsibility is to the company and the shareholders first, and, here, at least, employment is 'at will.' If replacing the 7 persons is easy enough, and if the money lost in the expense is less than the money going missing, then one cannot say that the boss over-reacted if there is no way of solidly determining who that one person is. In which case, your function as the accountant led to the correct course of action for the company.

    Yep the boss has to answer to hr who have to cover the company against litigation. Employment law is there to prevent random sacking without evidence.

    Ergo in this anology Trump would be in the **** as he's cost the company. Hr would not be impressed nor the shareholders


  • #5517
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-military-attack-yemen-civilians-women-children-dead-a7553121.html

    Trump starts up that kill count. Even uses drones!

    10 women and children killed, good thing his supporters are ok with this.


  • #5518
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-military-attack-yemen-civilians-women-children-dead-a7553121.html

    Trump starts up that kill count. Even uses drones!

    10 women and children killed, good thing his supporters are ok with this.
    He's been baptised in blood, now he's officially an American president.


  • #5519
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    listermint wrote: »
    Yep the boss has to answer to hr who have to cover the company against litigation. Employment law is there to prevent random sacking without evidence.

    Ergo in this anology Trump would be in the **** as he's cost the company. Hr would not be impressed nor the shareholders

    Even without proper employment law any other employees would be wondering what if they are on the list next time through no fault of their own.

    I would be looking at other jobs pretty sharpish in case. Especially when everyone knows there was an employee too valued to be let go that is completely guilty but left off the list!


  • #5520
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Trump starts up that kill count. Even uses drones!
    10 women and children killed, good thing his supporters are ok with this.

    Trump the warmonger.

    Also a US specOps soldier killed yesterday in Yemen so trump must have given the all clear for US soldiers to be on the ground there.


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  • #5521
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    The boss's responsibility is to the company and the shareholders first, and, here, at least, employment is 'at will.' If replacing the 7 persons is easy enough, and if the money lost in the expense is less than the money going missing, then one cannot say that the boss over-reacted if there is no way of solidly determining who that one person is. In which case, your function as the accountant led to the correct course of action for the company.

    Kinda missed the point there. The manager could have approached the situation in numerous ways. It's not your fault he chose the most draconian. That was his choice alone.


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