Eir rural FTTH thread

pegasus1 · 26-01-2017 10:31AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Seeing as Openeir won't do it, I've decided to make a map of the first 100K exchange areas listed here. As exchanges are given live dates I'll update them or add them if they've not already been included. I hope the colour scheme is self explanatory. If anybody spots errors just post and I'll try to fix them.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xk6un1ZdpZ8577ZzunX-RmL0cCM&usp=sharing

Maybe open Eir should take you on as a consultant Navi..:rolleyes:

Great job..!!

damienirel · 26-01-2017 11:05AM

Are the first 100k exchange areas not a thing of the past now? I thought Eir changed tact in that in that they were just going with all blue lines completed by 2018?

pegasus1 · 26-01-2017 11:42AM

damienirel wrote: »

Are the first 100 exchanges not a thing of the past now? I thought Eir changed tact in that in that they were just going with all blue lines completed by 2018?

Are there places not in the first 100,000 getting worked on?

damienirel · 26-01-2017 11:51AM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Are there places not in the first 100,000 getting worked on?

I don't know anymore, OpenEir publish a lot of timelines and tidbits of conflicting information. I'm just wondering could work be ongoing in exchanges outside of the first 100K exchange areas they talked about last year. I've seen posts in this thread that would confirm work is started in exchanges areas that aren't in part of the first 100k that they published which seems like a long time ago now.

Gonzo · 26-01-2017 01:01PM

I think all exchanges live so far, and the ones happening in early February are so far in the first 100k announced last year. But, some exchanges are going live much earlier compared to others which got pushed back to h2 2017. Exchanges not listed in the first 100k are likely to be done before some of the later original exchanges.

Even in the update in December, Dunshaughlin and Brittas Bay were the only 2 that I could find which were listed as early 2017 while all the others were early/mid 2017 or h2 2017. Now with another update Dunshaughlin is still down as early 2017 while at least 8 of the early/mid 2017 exchanges are going live within a week.

Great work on the map Navi, much easier than Open Eir's FTTC/FTTH map which is becoming really cumbersome to navigate and find updates.

damienirel · 26-01-2017 01:24PM

Yes great work on the map Navi - gives a great visual of how far behind Eir are for the March 2017 100k plan if they are actually sticking to it, which it seems like they are - what Gonzo says seems correct when I look at it. But there are some posts from this thread that hint at work going on outside of those exchanges which is encouraging outside of the march deadline being missed widely.

Gonzo · 26-01-2017 01:59PM

Open eir are back outside the house rewiring the splice box's. I thought these were finished!. They appear to be pushing some yellow cable into it.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2017 04:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I assume that the "spanner" icon is for a area that is under construction, if so then Cornafulla south Roscommon should be marked as spanner.

The "spanner" is for areas that have been given a live due date by Openeir. In reality many areas will have some level of build being undertaken. If I were to mark them all the icon loses all meaning.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2017 04:17PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Great job! Thank you.

Would it be possible to add a note to the info based on reports here?

I have in mind - as an example - adding a note that 'fibre is being placed' where posters report this in specific exchanges.
This might give an indication of which exchange areas are being worked on out of those that are planned.

On the other hand it might be a bit haphazard.

Thanks again for a great informative map.

I would prefer the map to stay "live", "not live" or "due on certain date". Take Gonzo for example. He's had fibre on poles outside his home for several weeks now and still has no live date. The spreadsheet has the facility to do what you mention and is editable by anyone.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2017 04:19PM

damienirel wrote: »

Are the first 100k exchange areas not a thing of the past now? I thought Eir changed tact in that in that they were just going with all blue lines completed by 2018?

I believe the majority of the exchanges to go live first will be from the 100K list. If other areas get given live dates I'll add them.

Johnboy1951 · 26-01-2017 04:24PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I would prefer the map to stay "live", "not live" or "due on certain date". Take Gonzo for example. He's had fibre on poles outside his home for several weeks now and still has no live date. The spreadsheet has the facility to do what you mention and is editable by anyone.

I have no intention of interfering with your work

so I won't be editing the map.

It was just a suggestion that the extra info might be useful to others in the exchange areas ..... particularly how long it can take from first work to connections being available.
But maybe that would just clutter things up and become too messy.

Gonzo · 26-01-2017 05:31PM

With the first 100k premises Open Eir provided the exact number of premises per exchanges. However, with the last 200,000 I feel they will just get done without an announcement and we don't know the number of premises per exchange.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 26-01-2017 05:51PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I have no intention of interfering with your work so I won't be editing the map.

It was just a suggestion that the extra info might be useful to others in the exchange areas ..... particularly how long it can take from first work to connections being available.
But maybe that would just clutter things up and become too messy.

That would be my concern too.

knipex · 27-01-2017 10:41AM

damienirel wrote: »

Are the first 100k exchange areas not a thing of the past now? I thought Eir changed tact in that in that they were just going with all blue lines completed by 2018?

They made a huge deal out of the 100K exchange announcement, milked it for all the PR they could get.. They never issued a statement clarifying or updating that schedule so to my mind once march comes they should be held accountable and hit over the head with the list.. unless of course they by some miracle have it finished or are very very close..

If they want to reap the positive PR of an announcement then they should be ready to receive the wrath of the press and the population when they utterly fail to deliver..

Johnboy1951 · 27-01-2017 10:49AM

knipex wrote: »

They made a huge deal out of the 100K exchange announcement, milked it for all the PR they could get.. They never issued a statement clarifying or updating that schedule so to my mind once march comes they should be held accountable and hit over the head with the list.. unless of course they by some miracle have it finished or are very very close..

If they want to reap the positive PR of an announcement then they should be ready to receive the wrath of the press and the population when they utterly fail to deliver..

I agree ..... but for some strange reason I continue to expect them to reach about 80% of their target for end of March, which in truth would be acceptable to me.
The 100k was a target and 'the arrow drops in flight'

If they only reach 50% or less then they should be lambasted and their failure taken into account when the NBP contracts are awarded.
No doubt eir are very aware of the consequences of failure, so will do all in their power to ensure they hit the best figure they can by the end March.

jd · 27-01-2017 11:05AM

This is what Moat said yesterday
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/sport-gives-eir-a-boost-with-121m-in-earnings-35401460.html

"So, by the time we get to the end of this financial year at June 30, we'll have well over 80,000 of 300,000 rural homes passed."

Those 300,000 homes are within the Government's National Broadband Plan (NBP) footprint.

knipex · 27-01-2017 11:13AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I agree ..... but for some strange reason I continue to expect them to reach about 80% of their target for end of March, which in truth would be acceptable to me.
The 100k was a target and 'the arrow drops in flight'

If they only reach 50% or less then they should be lambasted and their failure taken into account when the NBP contracts are awarded.
No doubt eir are very aware of the consequences of failure, so will do all in their power to ensure they hit the best figure they can by the end March.

Eir have never had consequences for failure.. at least in this type of thing.

I have no doubt they will claim success but defined their way.

My exchange is connected to fiber and eir claim 540 homes now have access to up to 70Mbs "Fiber" broadband.. Success....

except that 540 is a nonsense figure, they only have 400 premises listed for FTTH.

But Eir will spin this as a success. They already did at a local event. Told me I should be delighted to have access to 70mb broadband when I struggle to achieve a consistent download speed above 1mb and my upload speed is a joke..

KOR101 · 27-01-2017 11:35AM

jd wrote: »

This is what Moat said yesterday
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/sport-gives-eir-a-boost-with-121m-in-earnings-35401460.html

Mr Moat said that the company is where it expected to be in terms of the roll-out, despite it indicating in November that the number of FTTH homes passed by the end of 2016 would be closer to 70,000.
"We're going to be achieving in excess of 35,000 homes passed per quarter," said Mr Moat.

"So, by the time we get to the end of this financial year at June 30, we'll have well over 80,000 of 300,000 rural homes passed."

November, such a long time ago......................

Peppa Cig · 27-01-2017 12:15PM

When eir connect a home to FTTH do they bring the new fibre cable as far as the eir box on external wall of house or actually into the home to master eir socket?

I'm guessing they bring it internally also but was wondering as my existing eir socket is in the middle of house on an internal wall , so how they pull new cable through?

Or does new socket have to be on an external wall near to external eir box ?

mcquaim · 27-01-2017 12:21PM

Peppa Cig wrote: »

When eir connect a home to FTTH do they bring the new fibre cable as far as the eir box on external wall of house or actually into the home to master eir socket?

I'm guessing they bring it internally also but was wondering as my existing eir socket is in the middle of house on an internal wall , so how they pull new cable through?

Or does new socket have to be on an external wall near to external eir box ?

I got mine installed on Wednesday and they took the fibre into the master socket. It was hassle for them as my ducting didn't go all the way to the socket though..

Do you have ducting to the master socket from outside?

If not then I'd assume you'd then need to decide where you want it or somehow get them access to the main socket, that would be messy with lifting floors etc...

Johnboy1951 · 27-01-2017 12:34PM

jd wrote: »

This is what Moat said yesterday
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/sport-gives-eir-a-boost-with-121m-in-earnings-35401460.html

"So, by the time we get to the end of this financial year at June 30, we'll have well over 80,000 of 300,000 rural homes passed."

Those 300,000 homes are within the Government's National Broadband Plan (NBP) footprint.

To me that means they have now admitted their target of end March is not going to be met.
It will not even be met by end of June.

That is a HUGE failure on eir's part.

If I were responsible for issuing contracts I would be very very reluctant to award one to eir, and definitely would not award two.

I believe this will damage their position regarding the NBP contracts ...... and rightly so.

Peppa Cig · 27-01-2017 12:46PM

mcquaim wrote: »

I got mine installed on Wednesday and they took the fibre into the master socket. It was hassle for them as my ducting didn't go all the way to the socket though..

Do you have ducting to the master socket from outside?

If not then I'd assume you'd then need to decide where you want it or somehow get them access to the main socket, that would be messy with lifting floors etc...

No ducting to master socket from outside so I guess they will install new master socket somewhere close to external box?

Congrats - How is your internet pre post installation?

damienirel · 27-01-2017 01:06PM

Maybe we'll have FTTH in 6 years time.

mcquaim · 27-01-2017 01:06PM

Peppa Cig wrote: »

No ducting to master socket from outside so I guess they will install new master socket somewhere close to external box?

Congrats - How is your internet pre post installation?

Well, mine is the Urban FTTH so I already had decent enough FTTC.. But, most noticeable difference between both is the ping, it's around 5ms where it used be up at 50ms.. Overall speeds are very consistent, up around 100Mb on TestMy.net, 143Mb on SpeedTest.net..

But, I'll be moving to the 300Mb or 1Gb next week, they messed up my order so on the 150Mb until then..

Anyway, back to your situation..

I guess you'll need to have it strung from the pole or wherever outside to an external wall so, they will probably advise.. They used the old copper wire in this place to pull in the new fibre cable so perhaps that might be possible for you too!!

The guys were saying all the hassle is getting the fibre into the actual houses, most of them were not built with this in mind, pity really..

damienirel · 27-01-2017 01:10PM

mcquaim wrote: »

Well, mine is the Urban FTTH so I already had decent enough FTTC.. But, most noticeable difference between both is the ping, it's around 5ms where it used be up at 50ms.. Overall speeds are very consistent, up around 100Mb on TestMy.net, 143Mb on SpeedTest.net..

But, I'll be moving to the 300Mb or 1Gb next week, they messed up my order so on the 150Mb until then..

Anyway, back to your situation..

I guess you'll need to have it strung from the pole or wherever outside to an external wall so, they will probably advise.. They used the old copper wire in this place to pull in the new fibre cable so perhaps that might be possible for you too!!

The guys were saying all the hassle is getting the fibre into the actual houses, most of them were not built with this in mind, pity really..

Jaysis a 50ms ping on FTTC - is that not brutal? were you using wireless to test the ping?

27-01-2017 01:18PM

I remember about a year or two ago that people were saying that if you were in a blue line you would defo be getting FTTH.
Or has this been rubbished now.

damienirel · 27-01-2017 01:26PM

76544567 wrote: »

I remember about a year or two ago that people were saying that if you were in a blue line you would defo be getting FTTH.
Or has this been rubbished now.

What makes you think that has been rubbished??

jgbyr · 27-01-2017 01:30PM

What happens if you're on the blue line & already have fttc but too far away for decent speeds. Will ffth eventually roll out to everyone on the line?

mcquaim · 27-01-2017 01:35PM

damienirel wrote: »

Jaysis a 50ms ping on FTTC - is that not brutal? were you using wireless to test the ping?

Yeah, pretty **** alrite and hence upgrading to FTTH

It was via LAN cable but I think my line had issues or it was the Pure Telecom setup perhaps!

I moved to Eir this time just in case it was a Pure Telecom issue..

50ms sounds worse than it is though, mostly gaming where you'd notice it mostly but for day to day it wasn't too noticeable..

damienirel · 27-01-2017 01:51PM

jgbyr wrote: »

What happens if you're on the blue line & already have fttc but too far away for decent speeds. Will ffth eventually roll out to everyone on the line?

What seems to be repeated here everyday - if you're on a blue line on the map the plan is that you should be eligible for FTTH at some stage.
The key point to remember here is "at some stage".

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