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Little CuChulainn · 24-01-2017 11:59PM

listermint wrote: »

Fixing the Economy means hog tying EPA and Agriculture, Is there not jobs in Agriculture in the US ? or is that all gone now with the advent of oil pipes and car manufacturers .

He's said he is going to get rid of unnecessary regulation to make manufacturing cheaper. What's the bets this will include labour rights? Will his people still be cheering when the minimum wage is included as unnecessary regulation?

listermint · 24-01-2017 11:59PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

There's not enough information out there on what's happening, nobody knows if it's indefinite or temporary. All I can say to you is Trump made it well it known his views on issues like global warming.

There is not enough information out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wtf!

Okay then. erm. I dont know what to say.

Rjd2 · 25-01-2017 12:00AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

CNN defending Sharia law, you couldn't make it up

https://twitter.com/sallykohn/status/823922333937115139

She is a notorious SJW, sneers at anyone who is not far left.

Her support for sharia law is well known. Abysmal journalist.

listermint · 25-01-2017 12:00AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

He's said he is going to get rid of unnecessary regulation to make manufacturing cheaper. What's the bets this will include labour rights? Will his people still be cheering when the minimum wage is included as unnecessary regulation?

next up smashing any remaining unions, yeah the ones of all those workers who voted this man to make america great again

BabyCheeses · 25-01-2017 12:01AM

listermint wrote: »

There is not enough information out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wtf!

Okay then. erm. I dont know what to say.

Well there won't be, they've all been silenced.

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 12:03AM

listermint wrote: »

There is not enough information out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't agree with it like I said. Not sure what you want me to say.

listermint · 25-01-2017 12:04AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I don't agree with it like I said. Not sure what you want me to say.

You basically said there is not enough information on global warming, and then went on to indicate that its temporary or maybe its not.. you know alternative facts.

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 12:09AM

listermint wrote: »

You basically said there is not enough information on global warming, and then went on to indicate that its temporary or maybe its not.. you know alternative facts.

You misunderstood me, I didn't mean global warming. I meant as to what's happening to the EPA and their restrictions.

InTheTrees · 25-01-2017 12:19AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Until there is voter ID across the board questions will continuously be asked about the validity of votes and rightly so.

There's a lot of confusion from people outside the USA who confuse "voter ID" laws with Registering to vote.

You can't just waltz up to a polling place and vote. You have to be a registered resident of your constituency.

When they talk about "voter ID" laws its about producing ID to verify your name against the list at the polling place.

HellSquirrel · 25-01-2017 12:19AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

You misunderstood me, I didn't mean global warming. I meant as to what's happening to the EPA and their restrictions.

Honest, Hank, I'm hoping it's temporary. But I do not like the pattern this is taking. It rather looks to me that they'll be sat on until either a) the scientists are weeded out and replaced with his shills or b) they're so hedged around that they can't put out information that goes against the administration's line.

We've seen this sort of thing before, and it never goes well.

Butters1979 · 25-01-2017 12:28AM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

I'm just agreeing with you. Maybe ask Trump to put a gag order here so it can be a safe space?

I am questioning the validity of the election with 3-5 millions fraudulent votes.

If there were millions of illegal immigrants voting, they would have voted for Hilary. If one side cheats and wins, it's invalid. If one side cheats and still loses, the result is still valid.

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 12:30AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

There's a lot of confusion from people outside the USA who confuse "voter ID" laws with Registering to vote.

You can't just waltz up to a polling place and vote. You have to be a registered resident of your constituency.

When they talk about "voter ID" laws its about producing ID to verify your name against the list at the polling place.

Is it not true that some states only require a drivers licence to register to vote?

I remember reading about it during the election but I'm open to correction.

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 12:32AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Honest, Hank, I'm hoping it's temporary. But I do not like the pattern this is taking. It rather looks to me that they'll be sat on until either a) the scientists are weeded out and replaced with his shills or b) they're so hedged around that they can't put out information that goes against the administration's line.

We've seen this sort of thing before, and it never goes well.

Nah I get it. His Presidency is going to upset a lot of people.

mohawk · 25-01-2017 12:33AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Honest, Hank, I'm hoping it's temporary. But I do not like the pattern this is taking. It rather looks to me that they'll be sat on until either a) the scientists are weeded out and replaced with his shills or b) they're so hedged around that they can't put out information that goes against the administration's line.

We've seen this sort of thing before, and it never goes well.

You expect this from totalitarian regimes. This is both very depressing and disturbing.
How far is is willing to go to silence things that don't suit his agenda.

MightyMandarin · 25-01-2017 12:33AM

Yeah, yeah I know 'Fake News' channel here, but anyone thinking this imaginary 'Wall' is going to be built should watch this.

It has nothing to do with money or Mexico paying for anything; just simply that the terrain is impossible in areas to build anything, let alone a 10ft wall, and even then, some Trump-voting residents even think this 'Wall' won't do anything to stop immigration.

Just some perspective on what was Trump's pillar in his campaign.

MightyMandarin · 25-01-2017 12:40AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Aaaand they've been deleted. . .

That's the level we're at now, where a National Park can't talk science

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's unreal. I saw the tweet earlier about atmospheric CO2 levels. And now it's just gone. This is truly incredible. Almost despot level behaviour from Trump.

Donnie needs to remember that just cause you delete something from the internet doesn't mean that it's gone.

Which is exactly the same thing I'll say when he tries to delete the golden shower tape after it's leaked. :pac:

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InTheTrees · 25-01-2017 12:49AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Is it not true that some states only require a drivers licence to register to vote?

I'd like to know which those are.

A drivers licence is never proof of citizenship. Or even residency. It proves your address thats all. (An address is not proof of residency, you can have many addresses).

Usually the deadlines for registering to vote are a long time before the election too.

I've had licenses from two different states (including california) but i'm not a citizen so i was never registered to vote.

wonderfullife · 25-01-2017 12:53AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

People are just pure bored of reading it,whenever something worthwhile outrageous happens....everyone will be Meh to it all and not bother caring anymore

He's been in the job 5 days, while claiming to be in it for 2.

He's already passed executive orders which will make it very difficult for women in the Middle East to gain access to healthcare & abortion. Whatever your feelings on abortion (I'm anti...ish....) that's a region endemic with rape.

He's just about to pass an executive order banning ALL immigration from Iran, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Somalia and Sudan. The executive order is also going to forbid immigration "from any Muslim majority country" which on the face of it is going to mean no visas for Pakistani's.

ISIS have been DREAMING of this for years and finally they've got a moron in charge in the USA to make their dreams come true. Trump effectively declaring war on an entire religion.

Those regions he's hitting hard are also regions the USA decided to militarily involve themselves in over the past 2 decades.

They go in, make a mess, and now they're saying "tough luck deal with it". Innocent children, women and men are now going to either a) die or b) be recruited to ISIS.

He's 5 days in.

What outrageous stuff are you waiting for exactly?

BabyCheeses · 25-01-2017 12:56AM

Butters1979 wrote: »

If there were millions of illegal immigrants voting, they would have voted for Hilary. If one side cheats and wins, it's invalid. If one side cheats and still loses, the result is still valid.

Oh well if you say they would do that then case closed.

Next press conference will be simple then. "We know there was voter fraud and they all voted for Clinton because some guy on an Irish website said so."

Thanks for working the case Sherlock.

Manic Moran · 25-01-2017 01:19AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

I'd like to know which those are.

A drivers licence is never proof of citizenship. Or even residency. It proves your address thats all. (An address is not proof of residency, you can have many addresses).

Usually the deadlines for registering to vote are a long time before the election too.

I've had licenses from two different states (including california) but i'm not a citizen so i was never registered to vote.

California appears to be one of them, judging by this form. It requires a driver's license number.

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal%20Voter%20Registration_1209_en9242012.pdf

However, the DL application form has a spot for a social security number. I believe that the SSN can be checked for citizenship. So, if the voter registration form is checked against the DL form, which is checked against the SSN database, that should, in theory, prevent a false voter registration.

Of course, it won't prevent me for voting for my neighbour who I happen to know went out of town at the last minute.

metaoblivia · 25-01-2017 01:55AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

California appears to be one of them, judging by this form. It requires a driver's license number.

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal%20Voter%20Registration_1209_en9242012.pdf

However, the DL application form has a spot for a social security number. I believe that the SSN can be checked for citizenship. So, if the voter registration form is checked against the DL form, which is checked against the SSN database, that should, in theory, prevent a false voter registration.

Of course, it won't prevent me for voting for my neighbour who I happen to know went out of town at the last minute.

I moved to CA a few years ago and got a driver's license. You have to provide birth date verification and prove your legal residence status.

Manic Moran · 25-01-2017 02:48AM

Right, but legal residence is not citizenship. There needs to be an additional check, which hopefully happens somewhere in Sacramento.

Grayson · 25-01-2017 03:36AM

Conway is saying the press is responsible for her needing secret service protection.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/kellyanne-conway-secret-service-protection-234092

She's been spinning bullsh1t for over a year now. She said on live TV that it was "alternative facts" that Spicer had been peddling. And apparently it's not her fault that people don't like her, it's the media's.

There's one person to blame for this. The idiot who sent her a white substance in the post. (He shouldn't have done that, no-one deserves death threats)
But the reason people dislike her is her own fault. They press don't even report on her that much. 90% of the time she's in the press it's because she's gone out to talk to them. It's her own words that she's saying in front of a TV camera. It's pure bullsh1t to suggest that the press paint her in a bad light when nearly every bit of coverage she gets is her speaking. So I'm paraphrasing her as "the press are to blame for allowing me to sit in front of a camera and talk".

take everything · 25-01-2017 05:00AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I think I understand what you are saying but I feel like my problem with the current state of play is not that people are protesting or that people object in a manner not to my taste. I really am starting to fear that one of the greatest threats we are starting to face is complete obfuscation of the real issues in place of hysterical nit picking over misspelled tweets or a wife's momentary facial expression. It is like we are now caught in the grip of some reality TV frenzy and intelligent, educated, capable people are right in there with no objectivity what so ever being themselves everything that they hate. On some level it's almost as if the western world have got the president they deserve, big on tweets and bluster, small on meaningful, coherent content.
Whether we like it or not the world and the Trump administration are moving on, meetings being held, policies being formulated. Gaze needs to firmly shift back there. Distraction has been the only real product of the last 3 months since the election. People really need to get back to either shutting up and not adding further to the distracting sideshow or start talking about what this new administration are actually doing.

Great post.
The world is a far more complex place than what a SJW or an alt-right person believes. But (as Prof Jordan Peterson said recently on a Joe Rogan podcast), people like to assuage any anxiety that such complexity might cause. By simplifying and polarising to discrete groups.
Human nature really.

I also despair for humanity BTW.
The cover of a woman's magazine like Heat is proof alone to make me believe we're all fcuked.

And I think your right. Trump is a president for this pathetic age we live in.

25-01-2017 05:36AM

I think we should wait and see why the tweets were deleted and by who..

I have an easier time believing it was some employee posting the facts and when Time published, they panic deleted being worried about their job, or some employee deleting the tweets afterwards on purpose to make the story explode, than some executive decision being made by Trump in the White House.

Of course it's possible that Trump said "Get that Twitter account and delete those tweets." but it's very possible he didn't. It sounds like something he'd do but you shouldn't get yourselves worked up over it until you actually know.

Wompa1 · 25-01-2017 06:16AM

Thrive in the short term. What will the long last effect of his actions be? My parents who lived in the US during the Reagan administration still think he was one of the best US presidents ever. Time has proven he was anything but!

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 06:24AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824078417213747200

Sean Spicer is going to have his work cut out for him

25-01-2017 06:31AM

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/824010489449431040

Ouch.. My American friend's favourite and third most hated people in the world. He has a painting of Musk on his wall I might ask for.

Hank Scorpio · 25-01-2017 06:32AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824080766288228352

228 shootings in 25 days if accurate is insane, but there is no easy solution. Any real change will occur over decades, not years.

Zubeneschamali · 25-01-2017 07:09AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824080766288228352

228 shootings in 25 days if accurate is insane, but there is no easy solution.

So when Trump promised that this stops right here, right now, he was lying again.

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