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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #3512
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    Are you actually are incapable of admitting when you are wrong? Have a bit of self-respect and just hold your hands up ffs.

    You actually come off as more of a fool acting like this than just accepting what you did was hypocritical. It has nothing to do with perspective, you're just acting like a gob****e now.

    I made a point in this thread earlier that there was a lack of trust in the media from people because of collusion over the campaign, then got asked to provide proof. A post I put together that took some time gave examples of this, and all I got in return from multiple posters was "Muuuh PutinLinks, Fake news, not collusion" etc.

    I've posted around 10 separate links to positive news involving job creation in the US and each time they've been ignored by the usual posters here, and in some cases even made fun of. Someone asked me earlier what would be a good step for Trump to wipe ISIS off the planet ( something I never claimed he would but I'm hopeful he'll fix alot of the problems of the previous admin ) and I post a link to Tulsi Gabbard's Stop Arming Terrorists law which would be a good first step. He says Trump has nothing to do with her even though I show a video of her speaking about her meetings with him which contradicts what he said, again he ignores it and just carry's on with his rhetoric and barrage of questions.

    Until it starts working both ways and the anti Trump posters ( Which is by far a majority on this thread ) can at least pretend not to have a predetermined agenda regardless of what pro Trump supporters post, there is no moral land or respect to be had in this thread. It's not all the posters but there is a large handful who's only agenda is to laugh at Trump and belittle anyone who has opposing views to him and refuse for even a second to contemplate opposing views and have a meaningful discussion.


  • #3513
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Technically the job creation was announced during Obama's presidency and people are extremely deluded if they think major corporations made the decision to invest in the US based on Trumps intervention alone or even at all. You can also counter the Amazon announcement with the announcement from Macys and a host of other traditional bricks and mortar retailers of jobs losses.


  • #3514
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    gandalf wrote: »
    Technically the job creation was announced during Obama's presidency and people are extremely deluded if they think major corporations made the decision to invest in the US based on Trumps intervention alone or even at all. You can also counter the Amazon announcement with the announcement from Macys and a host of other traditional bricks and mortar retailers of jobs losses.

    Just not true at all, there's been many instances Trump has been directly involved.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/softbank-ceo-announces-us-investment-jobs-after-trump-meeting-2016-12?r=US&IR=T

    The lowering of corporation tax and threats of border taxes are major factors why many car manufacturers moved production plants back from Mexico to the US.


  • #3515
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    I made a point in this thread earlier that there was a lack of trust in the media from people because of collusion over the campaign, then got asked to provide proof. A post I put together that took some time gave examples of this, and all I got in return from multiple posters was "Muuuh PutinLinks, Fake news, not collusion" etc.

    I've posted around 10 separate links to positive news involving job creation in the US and each time they've been ignored by the usual posters here, and in some cases even made fun of. Someone asked me earlier what would be a good step for Trump to wipe ISIS off the planet ( something I never claimed he would but I'm hopeful he'll fix alot of the problems of the previous admin ) and I post a link to Tulsi Gabbard's Stop Arming Terrorists law which would be a good first step. He says Trump has nothing to do with her even though I show a video of her speaking about her meetings with him which contradicts what he said, again he ignores it and just carry's on with his rhetoric and barrage of questions.

    Until it starts working both ways and the anti Trump posters ( Which is by far a majority on this thread ) can at least pretend not to have a predetermined agenda regardless of what pro Trump supporters post, there is no moral land or respect to be had in this thread. It's not all the posters but there is a large handful who's only agenda is to laugh at Trump and belittle anyone who has opposing views to him and refuse for even a second to contemplate opposing views and have a meaningful discussion.

    So that's a no then... Whatever, you had your chance to come off as credible, but did your best Kellyanne impression to make you look less credible than before. Your choice.

    I shouldn't even address that absolute waffle point you raised but **** it you hooked me. I'm not those "Anti-Trump" supporters you criticised and the reason I didn't address your point is cause I'm not on boards 24/7 and this thread moves fast.

    I'm an open-minded lad and dammit if I see something good Trump has done, as shocked as I'll be, I'll accept it. I still maintain that I really don't think the US would be better off with Hillary at the moment and if I voted for him I wouldn't regret it entirely.

    You on the other hand are just acting like a pathetic whingebag when things aren't going your way. Nobody has to be forced to address your points, especially now that you've made yourself look like a right eejit. I for one will take you far less seriously from now on. Well done.


  • #3516
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    This is a very minor thing but just..odd. Even by Trump standards.

    So, Katie Rich, an SNL writer, wrote a nasty comment about Barron Trump on Twitter. There were a lot of reactions to it, she was entirely in the wrong and is on suspension. The strange thing is that Trump, who reacts vociferously to criticism against him, who had an opportunity to have a go at SNL and be absolutely vindicated...did nothing. Didn't tweet about it (afaik), didn't comment. It does make me wonder if he simply didn't pay attention to it because it wasn't about him. He never does know much about other people, even when he's insulting them, saying egregiously incorrect things. But his own son was very publically attacked by someone from a production he dislikes and despite all his lack of personal restraint, he said nothing.

    Anyway, odd but unimportant observation from the reality show that is President Trump.
    I suspect, and I'm prepared to concede that this may well be wild speculation, that all is not well between Trump and his wife (and sadly as usual in these cases the kids either get forgotten or used against each other). This would certainly go some way to explain the bizarre arrangement where Melania and her son are staying in NY.


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  • #3517
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    But it didn't happen during his tenure as President, also they have been announced lets see if that Saudi one you linked to comes to fruition especially given the noise in recent times about the US moving its embassy to Jerusalem. If that happens he may find he loses friends in the middle east. The car manufacturers haven't moved factories back from Mexico. One cancelled a new factory which hasn't been finished yet and the other moved the production of one model back to the US but the factory and workers remain in Mexico producing cars still. When Trump has stimulated the economy and actually created the atmosphere to actually create jobs then you can jump up and down and wave your flag. Right now you are cheering on the whole vapour-ware. There is that 1000 jobs he saved with carrier so I'll give him his dues there, but wait he presented an alternative fact it was only 800 jobs saved!

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/02/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-mexico/


  • #3518
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    gandalf wrote: »
    But it didn't happen during his tenure as President, also they have been announced lets see if that Saudi one you linked to comes to fruition especially given the noise in recent times about the US moving its embassy to Jerusalem. If that happens he may find he loses friends in the middle east. The car manufacturers haven't moved production back from Mexico. One cancelled a new factory which hasn't been finished yet and the other moved the production of one model back to the US but the factory and workers remain in Mexico producing cars still. When Trump has stimulated the economy and actually created the atmosphere to actually create jobs then you can jump up and down and wave your flag. Right now you are cheering on the whole vapour-ware. There is that 1000 jobs he saved with carrier so I'll give him his dues there, but wait he presented an alternative fact it was only 800 jobs!

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/02/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-mexico/
    Funny you mention this...

    Since Trump is in such an effort to take as much credit as possible for every job made during his tenure, the reverse must also be true.

    OHIO: General Motors Lays off 1,200 staff on Trump's first day in office.
    http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/ohio/general-motors-in-lordstown-lays-off-more-that-1200-people/389956815

    Ohio being one of those states that went to Trump largely on the back of his blue collar/manufacturing jobs promises.

    And that's before mentioning 54 more at M&G Duravent (also manufacturing) - http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Colonie-firm-to-lay-off-54-10878024.php

    462 more at Ringling Bros - http://companies.bizjournals.com/profile/ringling-bros-and-barnum-bailey/199256/?mkt=orlando

    140 more at North Jersey's The Record - Since Trump is in such an effort to take as much credit as possible for every job made during his tenure, the reverse must also be true.

    OHIO: General Motors Lays off 1,200 people.
    http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/ohio/general-motors-in-lordstown-lays-off-more-that-1200-people/389956815

    Ohio being one of those states that went to Trump largely on the back of his blue collar/manufacturing jobs promises.

    And that's before mentioning 54 more at M&G Duravent (also manufacturing) - http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Colonie-firm-to-lay-off-54-10878024.php

    462 more at Ringling Bros - http://companies.bizjournals.com/profile/ringling-bros-and-barnum-bailey/199256/?mkt=orlando

    140 more at North Jersey's The Record - http://www.northjersey.com/





    Now come to think of it, what could actually possibly help boost manufacturing numbers in the short term? Oh right, the war with China Trump keeps agitating towards and did again tonight that the resident Trump fans will eagerly do anything to divert away from!


  • #3519
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    This is a very minor thing but just..odd. Even by Trump standards.

    So, Katie Rich, an SNL writer, wrote a nasty comment about Barron Trump on Twitter. There were a lot of reactions to it, she was entirely in the wrong and is on suspension. The strange thing is that Trump, who reacts vociferously to criticism against him, who had an opportunity to have a go at SNL and be absolutely vindicated...did nothing. Didn't tweet about it (afaik), didn't comment. It does make me wonder if he simply didn't pay attention to it because it wasn't about him. He never does know much about other people, even when he's insulting them, saying egregiously incorrect things. But his own son was very publically attacked by someone from a production he dislikes and despite all his lack of personal restraint, he said nothing.

    Anyway, odd but unimportant observation from the reality show that is President Trump.
    Something similar happened during the campaign, when Hillary started coming into trouble for the emails and whatnot. He shut up and said nothing for a while, which was remarked upon by the commentators. It would appear that he has a philosophy that if he sees someone already under general fire, he has no need to open up himself. The endstate is that the target is under fire from someone, him if necessary, not him if available.


  • #3520
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    MightyMandarin wrote: »

    I'm an open-minded lad and dammit if I see something good Trump has done, as shocked as I'll be, I'll accept it. I still maintain that I really don't think the US would be better off with Hillary at the moment and if I voted for him I wouldn't regret it entirely.

    You on the other hand are just acting like a pathetic whingebag when things aren't going your way. Nobody has to be forced to address your points, especially now that you've made yourself look like a right eejit. I for one will take you far less seriously from now on. Well done.

    If you think I care what people think of me on an internet forum the jokes on you. Fact is this thread is almost all anti Trump, and even during the campaign boards itself was almost all pro HRC. For every pro Trump post there's 10 in the other direction. It's very easy to be on that side of the coin. I'm used to it by now. There is some open minded posters, you on the other hand for someone who claims to be open minded, clearly demonstrate your unbreakable hatred of Trump.


  • #3521
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    If you think I care what about people think of me on an internet forum the jokes on you. Fact is this thread is almost all anti Trump, and even during the campaign boards itself was almost all pro HRC. For every pro Trump post there's 10 in the other direction. It's very easy to be on that side of the coin. I'm used to it by now. There is some open minded posters, you on the other hand for someone who claims to be open minded, clearly demonstrate a heavy left wing bias.

    Fair dues to you Hank, you're getting hounded from every direction and you're still batting 'em off.


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  • #3522
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Trump has decided he has created enough jobs so might as well have a hiring freeze. Sad! Low energy!


  • #3523
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Satriale wrote: »
    Fair dues to you Hank, you're getting hounded from every direction and you're still batting 'em off.

    It's just very disingenuous to claim neutrality when all his posts show he is very aggressive against Trump. Some people say it outright but others have to be sneaky to score points, I don't like that.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102363206&postcount=2671

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102274745&postcount=905

    I tried searching his post history for a post in this thread which might resemble some kind of neutrality but there were none, just posts insulting his appearance or showing his real agenda.

    It just proves the point that even when certain posters try to act on a moral ground, the intention is just to do whatever they can to hammer Trump regardless of what he does.


  • #3524
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,272 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    One of the major issues with Trump and my God they are many is he bar possibly Hailey and Maddog he has surrounded himself with many horrors.

    The most obvious is Bannon from Breitbart a truly vile racist site.

    Rightfully this link has been highlighted over last few months.

    However what is the issue with highlighting one of the main leaders of what was a worthwhile march horrible pro sharia opinions?


    Genuinely perplexed how the left have not acknowledged that this women has pretty horrific views. Bannon and his ilk get rightfully criticised, why is this women who supports sharia law held up as some sort of hero? I don't have an issue with the march, thought it was awesome and needed especially when you consider the people who behind Trump who are crazy, but her involvement slightly and I mean only slightly taints it somewhat.


    https://twitter.com/lsarsour


    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/823682138000293892


  • #3525
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Since Trump is in such an effort to take as much credit as possible for every job made during his tenure, the reverse must also be true.

    In theory, absolutely not. One President could be easily cause job losses while the promise of another promotes creation.

    Or in a somewhat related example, do you hold Obama or Bush responsible for the 5 million increase in unemployment at the start of Obama's term? When do you start saying Obama was responsible for job creation?

    It's likely you blame Bush for those job losses which helps my point by saying "jobs can be affected by one President in another's term."


  • #3526
    jimd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭jimd2


    So even the New York Times are blatantly saying that Trump is lying since e took power in this piece that oozes disdain from Americas foremost publication to its president.....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/donald-trump-congress-democrats.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad


  • #3527
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    More threads about trump ....


  • #3528
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    I think all this anti trump thing is pointless....

    Reminds me of gerry Adams at this stage. ...everyone even his own supporters know what he is and likes of this only serve to harden both sides


    He's there now....rightly or wrongly let on with his job...

    Shouldn't be too long for there to be something worthwhile to complain about...no mind lazy journalism shteing on about x,y and z and creating mountains outta molehills so as when something serious comes along....people will be so sick of reading this shte they'll pay no heed to it


  • #3529
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    I agree it's gone ridiculous at this stage, same with the Bretix,I tell you what it has done for me, it has opened up my mind some more, that the left social groups/supporters dont like it when the results don't go there way. There is bad as the folks they pretend to be saving the human race from.

    Here in Portugal the main news briefings are about portugal & Europe,looking at RTE and you would think Ireland is a state of US with there coverage.

    The people were given a choice & they voted accordingly, it's there system so let them get on with it.


  • #3530
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    DNC chair candidates bash white people in a racially charged forum. Inequalities and racism do exist but I don't think this is the best way of addressing the issues - it only fuels further tension. I dislike identity politics,imo it breeds hatred and divisiveness.



    On a different note Sean Spicer was very impressive earlier in his first full conference, my views on him may have been mistaken. For the most part he, and the media were very coordinal.


  • #3531
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Zzzz he's the president, life goes on.

    Build a bridge.


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  • #3532
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I think all this anti trump thing is pointless....
    2017: When reporting the truth is now "anti-Trump". :rolleyes:

    Reporting facts has nothing to do with being Anti-Trump. It's simply reporting facts. Which is what respected news and media are supposed to do. Whatever your views on people's personal reaction, including media pundits and commentators, to Trump being President, it's outright bizarre to say media outlets are anti-Trump for reporting facts.


  • #3533
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    They should have went out and voted if they didn't want him in so much. Rather stupid of people to be complaining now.


  • #3534
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    2017: When reporting the truth is now "anti-Trump". :rolleyes:

    Reporting facts has nothing to do with being Anti-Trump. It's simply reporting facts. Which is what respected news and media are supposed to do. Whatever your views on people's personal reaction, including media pundits and commentators, to Trump being President, it's outright bizarre to say media outlets are anti-Trump for reporting facts.

    People are just pure bored of reading it,whenever something worthwhile outrageous happens....everyone will be Meh to it all and not bother caring anymore


    It's like the boy who cries Wolf territory....it's only a matter of time before he implodes anyway.....why care about how many attended his ceremony??
    The pictures (everyone's seen them)tell a thousand words....


  • #3535
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    If you think I care what people think of me on an internet forum the jokes on you. Fact is this thread is almost all anti Trump, and even during the campaign boards itself was almost all pro HRC. For every pro Trump post there's 10 in the other direction. It's very easy to be on that side of the coin. I'm used to it by now. There is some open minded posters, you on the other hand for someone who claims to be open minded, clearly demonstrate your unbreakable hatred of Trump.
    Well, at least what they say is true, the winner's truly do write history.

    The entire election cycle was constructed on the idea of the lesser of two evils and HRC and Trump were both equally vilified on boards, with some people perhaps only favouring Clinton due to one or two of Trump's more outrageous comments. But Clinton was detested by many on boards, probably more so than Trump who was, and is now, just seen as a bit of an eccentric and a successful businessman who may well boost jobs and growth. Which is why he won the election in the end.


  • #3536
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    cournioni wrote:
    They should have went out and voted if they didn't want him in so much. Rather stupid of people to be complaining now.


    They did. He lost by 3 million votes.


  • #3537
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    tomwaterford wrote: »


    It's like the boy who cries Wolf territory....it's only a matter of time before he implodes anyway......
    That's a good analogy, but I think it works better for the election campaign; remember the endless coverage of Trump's controversial statements. People became immune to them. And fed up. And it became counter productive due to a lot of people's opposition to political correctness in society etc. However, with Republican control of the Presidency, Senate and Congress, I think a better analogy now that he has won is: All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men and women to do nothing.


  • #3538
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Do you know what will hurt Trump the most? Stop talking about Trump. Starve him of the oxygen of publicity. The man is a walking ego. Ignore him and watch him throw his toys out of the pram.


  • #3539
    fergiesfolly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I think all this anti trump thing is pointless....

    Reminds me of gerry Adams at this stage. ...everyone even his own supporters know what he is and likes of this only serve to harden both sides


    He's there now....rightly or wrongly let on with his job...

    Shouldn't be too long for there to be something worthwhile to complain about...no mind lazy journalism shteing on about x,y and z and creating mountains outta molehills so as when something serious comes along....people will be so sick of reading this shte they'll pay no heed to it

    Its not the medias fault that people are too lazy, thick, shortsighted or self absorbed to care about what they report.
    We've gotten too used to pointless stories about Kardasian arses or non-celebrity dance contests to actually give a **** about what actually matters.
    In an era where we've never had such easy access to so much information, we've chosen to concentrate on flippant, throw away trash journalism and in the end, that's what lets people like Trump, rise to power.


  • #3540
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    I'm going to put a penny in a jar for every Trump thread started this year.
    Now I just need to find some pennies. And a jar, which will be a terrific jar by the way, believe me.


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  • #3541
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    sup_dude wrote: »
    They did. He lost by 3 million votes.

    who cares? the popular vote isnt how its decided, its like losing a game of fifa and pretending you won cause you had more posession.


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