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jobbridge4life

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How many times a day to you hear someone shout "Christ", "Jesus" or "God"? Pretty often I think. It's used as a swear by many so it's very common.

Not to mention... how does one say hello in Irish?

Grayson

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How many times a day to you hear someone shout "Christ", "Jesus" or "God"? Pretty often I think. It's used as a swear by many so it's very common.

Like Inshallah. God willing is an incredibly common phrase.

Grayson

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How oftern Chanting through a loudspeaker ?

We have bells on TV at 6pm instead of a literal call to prayer:)

darkpagandeath

Grayson wrote: »

We have bells on TV at 6pm instead of a literal call to prayer:)

I don't watch it I have a choice. Call to prey here for mosques is done via a radio broadcast locally is it not.

Grayson

RobertKK wrote: »

In fairness he was asked.

I keep getting distracted. I have a relative who's a correspondent in Washington. She's a senior editor on the white house desk for a large publication. I know she used to attend the briefings and generally doesn't anymore but I'm wondering if she turned up for this one.

B_Wayne

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You have found a person upset about it, You can check for me posting the the CT forum if one likes. lets disregard the insensitivity for the moment. What's ones opinion of people shouting Religious phrases on street corners here ?

Given that it's in reference to an individual who has shown opposition to religious freedom in relation to one specific religion, it's completely understandable to shout from the rooftops in relation to him tbh. No matter what the religion, I'd completely support it. Given the context it makes complete sense. You keep saying it's insensitive but only fringe lunatics appear to be upset, strange that!

jobbridge4life

HellSquirrel wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38718306

By the way, that is outright bullying and I'm glad she got called on it. Barron Trump should be out of bounds for having a go at. The kid is ten.

100%. Attacking children is deplorable (in the proper sense). Chelsea Clinton, herself a victim of the same kind of awfulness (much of it thanks to present day Trump acolytes for instance Rush 'sniff sniff' Limbaugh) demonstrated a degree of class apparently beyond the President and his family by decrying it also. But importantly highlighted the need to realise that defending all children also means defending those children that Trump and his avowed policies will damage.

darkpagandeath

B_Wayne wrote: »

Given that it's in reference to an individual who has shown opposition to religious freedom in relation to one specific religion, it's completely understandable to shout from the rooftops in relation to him tbh. No matter what the religion, I'd completely support it. Given the context it makes complete sense. You keep saying it's insensitive but only fringe lunatics appear to be upset, strange that!

I'm on record railing against all organised religions. But lets just say racist. I have no time for the lads in the pointy hats or their books about sky wizards.

Little CuChulainn

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How oftern Chanting through a loudspeaker ?

God help me I just can't remember the last time I heard a religious phrase on a speaker in public. Christ, it reminds me of the last time I saw the Angelus on our national tv station and I recognised one of the locations in the photos. I said, "Jesus, I know that place" but for the love of god I could not think of its name. God willing it will come to me. Anyway, we were talking about how often religious phrases are used in public was it?

Little CuChulainn

jobbridge4life wrote: »

100%. Attacking children is deplorable (in the proper sense). Chelsea Clinton, herself a victim of the same kind of awfulness (much of it thanks to present day Trump acolytes for instance Rush 'sniff sniff' Limbaugh) demonstrated a degree of class apparently beyond the President and his family by decrying it also. But importantly highlighted the need to realise that defending all children also means defending those children that Trump and his avowed policies will damage.

Its a pity they decided to rail against Julie Bowen for a harmless comment about a gameboy. It minimises the atrocious comment by the SNL writer.

MadYaker

An article in the New York Post quotes a Trump aide saying that the military refused his request to have tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue during his inaugural parade

jobbridge4life

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Its a pity they decided to rail against Julie Bowen for a harmless comment about a gameboy. It minimises the atrocious comment by the SNL writer.

Quite so.

rossie1977

Spicer being asked about the real unemployment (trump claimed it was 42%) during campaign. Now he claims trump isn't interested in numbers and statistics...

darkpagandeath

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

God help me I just can't remember the last time I heard a religious phrase on a speaker in public. Christ, it reminds me of the last time I saw the Angelus on our national tv station and I recognised one of the locations in the photos. I said, "Jesus, I know that place" but for the love of god I could not think of its name. God willing it will come to me. Anyway, we were talking about how often religious phrases are used in public was it?

Not really we were actually talking about German/American Feminists in Berlin Being extremely disrespectful to the recent Terrorist attack. We got sidelined with the cry s of racism and white supremacists.

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm on record railing against all organised religions. But lets just say racist. I have no time for the lads in the pointy hats or their books about sky wizards.

You realise that Trump is in bed with some of the most regressive, rational-adverse, and aggressive religious nutters in the world?

HellSquirrel

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Not really we were actually talking about German/American Feminists in Berlin Being extremely disrespectful to the recent Terrorist attack. We got sidelined with the cry s of racism and white supremacists.

...I gotta comment, because you make it very hard to not comment, but the only person I've seen blethering on about racism is..well..you. You even brought it up in terms of our conversation which was nothing to do with racism.

Again with the dubious comprehension.

B_Wayne

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How oftern Chanting through a loudspeaker ?

Literally every Saturday on O' Connell's street, it tends to be far more offensive and judgemental.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm on record railing against all organised religions. But lets just say racist. I have no time for the lads in the pointy hats or their books about sky wizards.

That's great but my point is, literally nobody appears to be offended. More an opportunity to be outraged by some dodgy sorts.

Little CuChulainn

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Not really we were actually talking about German/American Feminists in Berlin Being extremely disrespectful to the recent Terrorist attack. We got sidelined with the cry s of racism and white supremacists.

Forgive my confusion. I saw you ask a question and assumed you were talking about the topic the question was about. God dammit.

darkpagandeath

HellSquirrel wrote: »

...I gotta comment, because you make it very hard to not comment, but the only person I've seen blethering on about racism is..well..you. You even brought it up in terms of our conversation which was nothing to do with racism.

Again with the dubious comprehension.

1 out of 10

darkpagandeath

B_Wayne wrote: »

Literally every Saturday on O' Connell's street, it tends to be far more offensive and judgemental.



That's great but my point is, literally nobody appears to be offended. More an opportunity to be outraged by some dodgy sorts.

I'm offended so I'm a dodgy sort now ?

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1 out of 10

... really?

HellSquirrel

jobbridge4life wrote: »

... really?

:rolleyes:

Really.

B_Wayne

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm offended so I'm a dodgy sort now ?

Nah, you're just extraordinarily easily offended. Some tabloids outraged too so I guess you fall into that category? The simple fact is that they did nothing wrong and I respect their right to freedom of religion.

Hande hoche!

Spicer seems to be handling the press conference better than I expected.

jobbridge4life

Dan Rather:

These are not normal times. These are extraordinary times. And extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.
When you have a spokesperson for the president of the United States wrap up a lie in the Orwellian phrase "alternative facts”…
When you have a press secretary in his first appearance before the White House reporters threaten, bully, lie, and then walk out of the briefing room without the cajones to answer a single question…
When you have a President stand before the stars of the fallen CIA agents and boast about the size of his crowds (lies) and how great his authoritarian inaugural speech was….
These are not normal times.
The press has never seen anything like this before. The public has never seen anything like this before. And the political leaders of both parties have never seen anything like this before.
What can we do? We can all step up and say simply and without equivocation. "A lie, is a lie, is a lie!" And if someone won't say it, those of us who know that there is such a thing as the truth must do whatever is in our power to diminish the liar's malignant reach into our society.
There is one group of people who can do a lot - very quickly. And that is Republicans in Congress. Without their support, Donald Trump's presidency will falter. So here is what I think everyone in the press must do. If you are interviewing a Paul Ryan, a Mitch McConnell, or any other GOP elected official, the first question must be "what will you do to combat the lying from the White House?" If they dodge and weave, keep with the follow ups. And if they refuse to give a satisfactory answer, end the interview.
Facts and the truth are not partisan. They are the bedrock of our democracy. And you are either with them, with us, with our Constitution, our history, and the future of our nation, or you are against it. Everyone must answer that question.

BabyCheeses

MadYaker wrote: »

An article in the New York Post quotes a Trump aide saying that the military refused his request to have tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue during his inaugural parade

They had rehearsals already done with them, some of the footage was leaked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwEkaGYBdHs

darkpagandeath

B_Wayne wrote: »

Nah, you're just extraordinarily easily offended. Some tabloids outraged too so I guess you fall into that category? The simple fact is that they did nothing wrong and I respect their right to freedom of religion.

One seems to think I have an issue with Freedom of religion. I don't They can chant all they like when it's their religion. You cant with a straight face call any of the ones up at the front Religious or Muslim. Would most 3 wave feminist not be Atheist for a start. You just have to look at the way they dress. It was a cheap stunt and distasteful. But lets leave it. This is about Trump. Has he said anything else stupid wife watching the TV so can see.

Manic Moran

MadYaker wrote: »

An article in the New York Post quotes a Trump aide saying that the military refused his request to have tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue during his inaugural parade

Snopes is questioning it.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-military-inaugural-parade/

dudara

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Spicer seems to be handing the press conference better than I expected.

To be fair, I suspect that a lot of Trump's picks will be rather OK acting on their own. Many of them are long term professionals.

The problems so far seem to arise when they're pandering to him or managing him or attempting to limit his damage

Grayson

dudara wrote: »

To be fair, I suspect that a lot of Trump's picks will be rather OK acting on their own. Many of them are long term professionals.

The problems so far seem to arise when they're pandering to him or managing him or attempting to limit his damage

Here's the second half of an article from a guy who's actually quite right leaning. It shows the problem with telling a lie to the press.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-epic-journeys-of-dante-alighieri/article/2006448

Rule #1 for press relations is that you can obfuscate, you can misrepresent, you can shade the truth to a ridiculous degree, or play dumb and pretend not to know things you absolutely do know. But you can't peddle affirmative, provable falsehoods. And it's not because there's some code of honor among press secretaries, but because once you're a proven liar in public, you can't adequately serve your principal. Every principal needs a spokesman who has the ability, in a crunch, to tell the press something important and know that they'll be believed 100 percent, without reservation.

But like I said, this isn't about Spicer.

What's worrisome is that Spicer wouldn't have blown his credibility with the national press on Day 2 of the administration unless it was vitally important to Trump.

And if media reports about crowd size are so important to Trump that he'd push Spicer out there to lie for him, then it means that all the tinpot-dictator, authoritarian, characterological tics that people worried about during the campaign are still very much active.

You know who obsessed about crowd size? Fidel Castro. You know who did not? George Washington, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton, and every other man to ever serve as president of these United States of America.

If you want to support the Trump agenda, that's fine. Worth doing, even. But never lose sight of the degree to which Trumpism corrupts.