Why Garda incompetence is acceptable?

Little CuChulainn · 21-01-2017 05:06PM

corner of hells wrote: »

I'd imagine if your home was being burgaled with you in it at the time and you got a call out Gardai would respond .
In your example a material item has been damaged hardly life threatening.Certainly aggravating but hardly end of the world stuff.

That is correct. An "intruders on" call is considered an emergency and goes over the control and local airwaves for any responder. It's very rare you wouldn't get multiple cars to the area straight away. It would be very unusual for no car to respond to such a call immediately unless there is an equally urgent call.

flutered · 21-01-2017 05:07PM

as an oap i think it is because that is all we are used to

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:13PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Maybe someone's house was being burgled at the time your car was being vandalised, and they decided that was a higher priority call?

Yep all them burglars robbing the houses while the Gardai sit in their vehicles in the town Centre doing nothing, fail argument and you know it yourself I am sure. Forgot we were in Syria, sorry.

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:17PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

That is correct. An "intruders on" call is considered an emergency and goes over the control and local airwaves for any responder. It's very rare you wouldn't get multiple cars to the area straight away. It would be very unusual for no car to respond to such a call immediately unless there is an equally urgent call.

And gangs destroying multiple vehicles 1km away from the Garda station is fine. Have you read nothing I wrote, 2 Garda vehicles doing absolutely nothing for hours, with 2 superhumans inside them both of them. The town is a tiny county town with population about 30 000 which has a Garda station literally less than 1km from where the incident happened I checked on Google maps.

HeidiHeidi · 21-01-2017 05:19PM

Johnboner wrote: »

Yep all them burglars robbing the houses while the Gardai sit in their vehicles in the town Centre doing nothing, fail argument and you know it yourself I am sure. Forgot we were in Syria, sorry.

No, it's the other patrol car I'm on about - the one that's available for general calls. Not the one that was assigned to public order duties that was doing precisely what it was meant to be doing.

You have absolutely no idea a) how many cars there are available at any given time, b) what duties they've been given, or c) what else was happening at the time your wing mirror was being broken. Nor do I.

You have no idea what those Gardai were at sitting outside the pub, and nor do I.

But you'll carry on ranting and making the facts fit your biased story no matter what, so I'll leave you at it.

corner of hells · 21-01-2017 05:19PM

Poster's here are sympathizing with you , others including one poster who appears to be a Garda have consistently tried to explain how Gardai work yet you respond with hypothetical situations and allegations of incompetance without grasping what people are saying to you.
Even a cursory glance at media reports would show you how busy Gardai are and under resources.

HeidiHeidi · 21-01-2017 05:21PM

Johnboner wrote: »

And gangs destroying multiple vehicles 1km away from the Garda station is fine. Have you read nothing I wrote, 2 Garda vehicles doing absolutely nothing for hours, with 2 superhumans inside them both of them. The town is a tiny county town with population about 30 000 which has a Garda station literally less than 1km from where the incident happened I checked on Google maps.

Proximity of an incident to a Garda station is utterly irrelevant - Gardai who do (or don't) turn up to your call will never be those from the station. That's a complete red herring.

Now I'm definitely out.

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:21PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

No, it's the other patrol car I'm on about - the one that's available for general calls. Not the one that was assigned to public order duties that was doing precisely what it was meant to be doing.

You have absolutely no idea a) how many cars there are available at any given time, b) what duties they've been given, or c) what else was happening at the time your wing mirror was being broken. Nor do I.

You have no idea what those Gardai were at sitting outside the pub, and nor do I.

But you'll carry on ranting and making the facts fit your biased story no matter what, so I'll leave you at it.

This is a few cases where I would warrant mandatory death penalty for pure ignorance. I checked the Garda station as well and there were 2 Garda vehicles there

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:23PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Poster's here are sympathizing with you , others including one poster who appears to be a Garda have consistently tried to explain how Gardai work yet you respond with hypothetical situations and allegations of incompetance without grasping what people are saying to you.
Even a cursory glance at media reports would show you how busy Gardai are and under resources.

How is it under resources when they get up to 60 000 per year including the benefits. Find me another European country with such high wages, they drive newest vehicles and have high wages and you are telling me they are under resourced. Now go and visit any of the continental European countries where cops actually get paid little money but they will always and I mean always will respond to your call and I am speaking from experience. They get paid pennies compared to what the Garda get paid yet they do a great job and are professional, not saying **** as every second word.

HeidiHeidi · 21-01-2017 05:25PM

Johnboner wrote: »

This is a few cases where I would warrant mandatory death penalty for pure ignorance. I checked the Garda station as well and there were 2 Garda vehicles there

Have you thought about applying for the Gardai yourself? You seem to have quite the detective skills!

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:26PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Have you thought about applying for the Gardai yourself? You seem to have quite the detective skills!

I have considered it yes in order to improve the image of the Gardai and actually helping people.

corner of hells · 21-01-2017 05:27PM

Johnboner wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Poster's here are sympathizing with you , others including one poster who appears to be a Garda have consistently tried to explain how Gardai work yet you respond with hypothetical situations and allegations of incompetance without grasping what people are saying to you.
Even a cursory glance at media reports would show you how busy Gardai are and under resources.

How is it under resources when they get up to 60 000 per year including the benefits. Find me another European country with such high wages, they drive newest vehicles and have high wages and you are telling me they are under resourced.

John under resourced can mean actual manpower, not vehicles or salary.
Lots of garda stations were closed and the embargo on recruitment has only just been lifted.

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 05:27PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Proximity of an incident to a Garda station is utterly irrelevant - Gardai who do (or don't) turn up to your call will never be those from the station. That's a complete red herring.

Now I'm definitely out.

How is it nor relevant so what you are saying they will send a car from 50 miles away and not the one that is less than 1km because reasons?

corner of hells · 21-01-2017 05:29PM

Johnboner wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Poster's here are sympathizing with you , others including one poster who appears to be a Garda have consistently tried to explain how Gardai work yet you respond with hypothetical situations and allegations of incompetance without grasping what people are saying to you.
Even a cursory glance at media reports would show you how busy Gardai are and under resources.

How is it under resources when they get up to 60 000 per year including the benefits. Find me another European country with such high wages, they drive newest vehicles and have high wages and you are telling me they are under resourced. Now go and visit any of the continental European countries where cops actually get paid little money but they will always and I mean always will respond to your call and I am speaking from experience. They get paid pennies compared to what the Garda get paid yet they do a great job and are professional, not saying **** as every second word.

I've no idea about foreign police services.My experiences here with Gardai through work have been nearly always positive.

Little CuChulainn · 21-01-2017 05:34PM

Johnboner wrote: »

And gangs destroying multiple vehicles 1km away from the Garda station is fine. Have you read nothing I wrote, 2 Garda vehicles doing absolutely nothing for hours, with 2 superhumans inside them both of them. The town is a tiny county town with population about 30 000 which has a Garda station literally less than 1km from where the incident happened I checked on Google maps.

You have absolutely no idea why they were there. There was probably trouble beforehand and they were there to prevent more. In fairness there really is no way of knowing. best thing you can do is report it to GSOC and let them investigate what happened instead of just guessing.

Johnboner wrote: »

How is it under resources when they get up to 60 000 per year including the benefits. Find me another European country with such high wages, they drive newest vehicles and have high wages and you are telling me they are under resourced. Now go and visit any of the continental European countries where cops actually get paid little money but they will always and I mean always will respond to your call and I am speaking from experience. They get paid pennies compared to what the Garda get paid yet they do a great job and are professional, not saying **** as every second word.

Leaving aside the fact that you only have to go as far as NI to find police on a similar wage, high wages don't allow you to clone yourself. You are still only one person. The cars are sometimes new because they build up such high mileage but they are completely unsuitable for the job. Hyundai i30 family specs can't even handle speed bumps. The computer system is about three decades old. Stab vests are rejects from another police force. Clothing is outdated and not suitable for modern policing. Most police stations are converted building that are not suitable. What exactly would you consider under resourced?

corner of hells · 21-01-2017 05:34PM

Even you've got to admit , you appear obsessive about different police forces.How come you have had experiences with foreign police ? How many countries police services have you had interaction with ?

Commotion Ocean · 21-01-2017 06:42PM

Allinall wrote: »

guards at local level do what the hierarchy tell them.

I hate this bullshit argument. I suppose the Nazi henchmen were just doing as Hitler said as well.

KingBrian2 · 21-01-2017 06:57PM

Simple answer. GIVE THE GARDAÍ GUNS. It would force them to be trained like pros. Make them as good as the IRA in their day. People would like that.

AudreyHepburn · 21-01-2017 07:04PM

Johnboner wrote: »

Seriously the people screaming ''Oh who will you call when there is trouble?'' I had around 5 serious incidents where they are required and were called and never even bothered showing up and that is somehow acceptable? One of the accidents was where 5 cars were smashed in our housing estate during the period of 2 days. Guess what they were called, around 11pm and showed up in the morning around 9. But you know what I see when I go out in town? They sit in their vans or cars sometimes 2 of them at the same place sitting in their cars waiting for ''trouble'' while there is trouble happening elsewhere and you get absolutely no help. I just cannot stand people that defend the Gardai. Another thing is we get checkpoints everywhere for tax and insurance but when you actually really need help then forget it.

I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that the Gardai would flat out refuse to help for no good reason on 5 different occasions, particularly if the incidents were, as you claim, serious.

I suggest there's more to this than you're letting on. People love to exaggerate things and pretend that things are worse than they actually are when it comes to our police force.

Garda incompetence is, of course, unacceptable. No-one would argue otherwise.

I think you need to take that chip off your shoulder and accept that such incompetence is nowhere as widespread as you would like to believe.

Johnboner · 21-01-2017 08:16PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that the Gardai would flat out refuse to help for no good reason on 5 different occasions, particularly if the incidents were, as you claim, serious.

I suggest there's more to this than you're letting on. People love to exaggerate things and pretend that things are worse than they actually are when it comes to our police force.

Garda incompetence is, of course, unacceptable. No-one would argue otherwise.

I think you need to take that chip off your shoulder and accept that such incompetence is nowhere as widespread as you would like to believe.

They don't flat out refuse so the argument is invalid. They say that they will send a vehicle to the incident spot and that's it.

Boggy Turf · 10-02-2017 12:16PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/absolutely-incomprehensible-tusla-counsellor-mistakenly-copied-and-pasted-child-rape-allegations-into-file-on-garda-whistleblower-35439552.html

And people still actually think the Gardai is not rotten to the core...disgusting.

Satriale · 10-02-2017 12:22PM

Well i wouldnt like to tar everyone with the same brush, but Primetime last night was an eye opener thats for sure.

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/prime-time-extras-30003379/10685218/

2012paddy2012 · 10-02-2017 12:30PM

Must be the most silly ill..informed comment ever ... Out of the 12000 or more people in that organisation or indeed any other organisations ( priesthood / any employer with a huge workforce ..) a certain percentage are going to be wrong ones. If you didn't see police being sacked .. Imprisoned etc when wrong doing is uncovered that might be of concern..They are the most supervised force in the world ..With every Avenue open to anyone who has issues ..Courts
.GSOC ..Ombudsman's etc .

Wonder is there more to your post than meets the eye?!

Noveight · 10-02-2017 12:32PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Make them as good as the IRA in their day. People would like that.

Seconded. I am interested to see how Guerilla policing would work out :P

justsaynokids · 10-02-2017 12:38PM

My house was broken into on new year's eve I rang the gards straight away , they just left ten minutes ago.

Little CuChulainn · 10-02-2017 12:38PM

Boggy Turf wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/absolutely-incomprehensible-tusla-counsellor-mistakenly-copied-and-pasted-child-rape-allegations-into-file-on-garda-whistleblower-35439552.html

And people still actually think the Gardai is not rotten to the core...disgusting.

Is that not TUSLA incompetence?

Alf Stewart. · 10-02-2017 12:50PM

Boggy Turf wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/absolutely-incomprehensible-tusla-counsellor-mistakenly-copied-and-pasted-child-rape-allegations-into-file-on-garda-whistleblower-35439552.html

And people still actually think the Gardai is not rotten to the core...disgusting.

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Red Kev · 10-02-2017 01:20PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Is that not TUSLA incompetence?

Anybody who believes that this whole saga is solely down to a TUSLA employee accidentally copy and pasting sentences from one report to another is very naieve.

There's a lot of Gardai in my family and I know better than most the frustration of the average Garda on the beat, but this is different. It smacks of being directed from the top, and as such is seriously damaging to the force.

It's not one single person, there seems to be several involved and foe the good of the force and those in it, those responsible need to be found and rooted out.

pedigree 6 · 10-02-2017 02:32PM

This probably has been posted before as I didn't read the whole thread but how many people are going to get jail from this?
Loosing jobs is not enough anymore.

Satriale · 10-02-2017 04:16PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

This probably has been posted before as I didn't read the whole thread but how many people are going to get jail from this?
Loosing jobs is not enough anymore.

My guess would be Zero, but we can hope i suppose...

Why Garda incompetence is acceptable?

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