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Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So what options are missing on the Irish Ioniq , apart from leather ?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Your best bet is to go to Hyundai UK and compare the specs, we only get the Premium model not the Premium SE.

    The only major features missing are the front parking sensor, blind spot detection, rear cross traffic alert, and the electronic adjusted driver memory seat.

    The rest just seems to be fit and finish like alloy pedal, interior chrome handles and ventilated front seats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,609 ✭✭✭✭josip


    unkel wrote: »
    ...
    Just ordered a night rate meter, so from now on the dishwasher / dryer / washing machine etc. will all be switched on at 23:00 for further savings

    Can a domestic supply handle a simultaneous EV charge, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine?
    Would an electric shower and kettle boil be too much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    unkel wrote: »
    8 years warranty on the battery. Not my problem if it fails within that time.

    I plan to "redline" the bejaysus out of it. And doing it will only cost me a few cents. That's the perk of having an EV :D
    unkel wrote: »
    Nah. I'm planning to hold on to the car for 6 / 7 years, maybe more. Even if the car is worth nothing after 7 years (which it won't), my total cost of ownership will still be lower than on any other family size ICE car.

    Can't lose here dude. All the subsidies are paid up front. I'm not exposed to the risk of higher fuel prices, car is covered by a full warranty for the first 5 years (not that there is anything much that can go wrong - the car probably never even needs brake pads / discs). I doubt the tax on EVs will go up and the depreciation hit on my EV is irrelevant to me as I demonstrated.

    Just ordered a night rate meter, so from now on the dishwasher / dryer / washing machine etc. will all be switched on at 23:00 for further savings

    You've changed dude! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    liamog wrote: »
    Your best bet is to go to Hyundai UK and compare the specs, we only get the Premium model not the Premium SE.

    The only major features missing are the front parking sensor, blind spot detection, rear cross traffic alert, and the electronic adjusted driver memory seat.

    The rest just seems to be fit and finish like alloy pedal, interior chrome handles and ventilated front seats.

    Might wait and see the used Ioniq market in the UK for the Premium SE.


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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    josip wrote: »
    Can a domestic supply handle a simultaneous EV charge, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine?
    Would an electric shower and kettle boil be too much?

    You can stagger some loads, the EV will most likely be charging all night depending whether you have a 32 amp or 16 amp home charge point and EV to match.

    I currently have 16 amp home charge point or roughly 3.5 Kw, Washing machine, max about 2.5 Kw, Dryer, max about 2 Kw. No Problem.

    32 amp charge point or 7 Kw and and 2.5 Kw washing machine is probably approaching the limit of most domestic supplies of 9.5 Kw leaves maybe 2 Kw to spare, fine maybe for a dryer just about, but you can set the dryer to come on after or in our case it's a washer dryer one of the best, AEG at the time anyway, so we set to wash only the clothes that can be dried and then the dryer comes on immediately after the wash, pretty handy and you can set the start timer for the wash too to kick in after night rate or to finish not long before you get up so they can be taken out.

    Electric shower = fail. A 9 Kw electric shower and even a 16 amp charge point will blow your main ESB fuse for the majority of Irish domestic supplies. If that happens again they will most likely force you to upgrade your single phase supply.

    However, in this situation of electric showers, priority devices can be installed so that power to the ev is removed temporarily until the shower is off.

    But, what most people do not know is that again, for the majority of Irish homes with central heating, there is no need for an electric shower. I ripped mine out when I realised what a complete and utter waste of energy it was heating water when I had tonnes of it wasting away int he hot water cylinder. So instead I got a pumped shower only and it's brilliant, yes during the Summer months I use the immersion, but use it on night rate so it costs very little.

    Hardware stores across Ireland are handing these 8-9 Kw showers out with people not having a clue that they most likely do not need these energy guzzlers. !

    If anyone is due a new dryer and thinking about buying a new one the heat pump dryers use a hell of a lot less energy, I believe some as little as 1.5 Kwh V 6.5 for a traditional dryer , don't quote me on that I was just looking a while back and I might not be accurate but I was shocked by the difference. The heat pump in the Leaf was so good that it got me interested in heat pumps. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    You can stagger some loads, the EV will most likely be charging all night depending whether you have a 32 amp or 16 amp home charge point and EV to match.

    I currently have 16 amp home charge point or roughly 3.5 Kw, Washing machine, max about 2.5 Kw, Dryer, max about 2 Kw. No Problem.

    32 amp charge point or 7 Kw and and 2.5 Kw washing machine is probably approaching the limit of most domestic supplies of 9.5 Kw leaves maybe 2 Kw to spare, fine maybe for a dryer just about, but you can set the dryer to come on after or in our case it's a washer dryer one of the best, AEG at the time anyway, so we set to wash only the clothes that can be dried and then the dryer comes on immediately after the wash, pretty handy and you can set the start timer for the wash too to kick in after night rate or to finish not long before you get up so they can be taken out.

    Electric shower = fail. A 9 Kw electric shower and even a 16 amp charge point will blow your main ESB fuse for the majority of Irish domestic supplies. If that happens again they will most likely force you to upgrade your single phase supply.

    However, in this situation of electric showers, priority devices can be installed so that power to the ev is removed temporarily until the shower is off.

    But, what most people do not know is that again, for the majority of Irish homes with central heating, there is no need for an electric shower. I ripped mine out when I realised what a complete and utter waste of energy it was heating water when I had tonnes of it wasting away int he hot water cylinder. So instead I got a pumped shower only and it's brilliant, yes during the Summer months I use the immersion, but use it on night rate so it costs very little.

    Hardware stores across Ireland are handing these 8-9 Kw showers out with people not having a clue that they most likely do not need these energy guzzlers. !

    If anyone is due a new dryer and thinking about buying a new one the heat pump dryers use a hell of a lot less energy, I believe some as little as 1.5 Kwh V 6.5 for a traditional dryer , don't quote me on that I was just looking a while back and I might not be accurate but I was shocked by the difference. The heat pump in the Leaf was so good that it got me interested in heat pumps. :D

    I've had my electric shower going and Leaf charging (16 amp) at same time without issue, however at an ECARS meeting users were looking for 32AMP chargers to be installled and they reported instances of fuse boards going up in smoke!


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Villain wrote: »
    I've had my electric shower going and Leaf charging (16 amp) at same time without issue, however at an ECARS meeting users were looking for 32AMP chargers to be installled and they reported instances of fuse boards going up in smoke!

    Hahaha Class ! :D

    Well I believe priority devices would eliminate this, but my point still stands, most of the time, not all of course, all people need is a pumped only shower and not one that heats the water because if they have central heating that is a tremendous waste of energy.

    I remember being told by the ESB Contractor no chance getting a 32 amp evse, the very same person immediately called the ESB when I said I was thinking of upgrading it would he do the work, the ESB called me within 10 mins to advise me not to do it bla bla. Unreal stuff.

    Now this very same contractor on IEVOA FB Group is saying it's no problem getting a 32 amp EVSE imagine that for BS !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭0lddog


    josip wrote: »
    Can a domestic supply handle a simultaneous EV charge, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine?
    Would an electric shower and kettle boil be too much?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101060672


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,451 ✭✭✭KCross


    Villain wrote: »
    I've had my electric shower going and Leaf charging (16 amp) at same time without issue, however at an ECARS meeting users were looking for 32AMP chargers to be installled and they reported instances of fuse boards going up in smoke!

    Standard domestic is rated for 12kW. A 8.5kW shower and 3.3kW Leaf is just hovering on that max. An oven or some other high user could blow it.

    I'm sure the ESB have some headroom built into their fuse as well so you probably can exceed 12kW by a little bit.

    An electric shower and a 6.6kW car drawing at the same time will blow the fuse for sure.

    Priority switch or upgrade the supply to 16kW is the solution in that case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Great post there, Mad_Lad. We too had a pump installed for the showers / baths 10 years ago. This 1.5bar pump failed a few months ago and I replaced it myself with a 2bar pump. Even better showers now :D
    I remember being told by the ESB Contractor no chance getting a 32 amp evse, the very same person immediately called the ESB when I said I was thinking of upgrading it would he do the work, the ESB called me within 10 mins to advise me not to do it bla bla. Unreal stuff.

    Now this very same contractor on IEVOA FB Group is saying it's no problem getting a 32 amp EVSE imagine that for BS !!

    So what are you saying, you reckon it is now possible to pay the contractor a bit extra and he'll do the 32 amp instead of the standard 16 amp free EVSE? That would be very welcome news. Waiting for the SEAI subsidy number so I can order the install.
    Soarer wrote: »
    You've changed dude! ;)

    Not really. I've always driven my cars hard, redlining them regularly. Against the advice of countless people on boards telling me I'm doing damage to the engine. I've also always given out about the lack of torque in small (turbocharged) engines. For that very reason I have had mainly 6 and 8 cylinder petrol engined cars for most of my car owning years. And now an EV, which like a big engined petrol N/A engine, has a lot of torque available at idle.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    KCross wrote: »
    Standard domestic is rated for 12kW. A 8.5kW shower and 3.3kW Leaf is just hovering on that max. An oven or some other high user could blow it.

    I'm sure the ESB have some headroom built into their fuse as well so you probably can exceed 12kW by a little bit.

    An electric shower and a 6.6kW car drawing at the same time will blow the fuse for sure.

    Priority switch or upgrade the supply to 16kW is the solution in that case.

    I've seen my efergy usage monitor hit 14kW on occasion with shower going and car charging along with other bits without issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,451 ✭✭✭KCross


    Villain wrote: »
    I've seen my efergy usage monitor hit 14kW on occasion with shower going and car charging along with other bits without issue.

    It's all behind you now villain. The price of diesel is all you need to worry about! :)


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »

    So what are you saying, you reckon it is now possible to pay the contractor a bit extra and he'll do the 32 amp instead of the standard 16 amp free EVSE? That would be very welcome news. Waiting for the SEAI subsidy number so I can order the install.

    I offered to pay extra but was told no way I was getting a 32 amp charge point.

    Now this same contractor is telling people it's possible ....... really Pi**ed me off to hear it of the Facebook group I can tell you. Especially considering I installed 40 amp cable all through the house !

    What's worse is that I didn't know at the time that the EVSE is 32 amp "ready" it's just software limited to 16 amps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭irbx


    I guys want to as silly question. This car used ccs rapid charge, standard post chargers , granny cable. But why can't it use the AC43KW charger as well? all be it only 7kw as the on board charger can handle. am I missing something?


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irbx wrote: »
    I guys want to as silly question. This car used ccs rapid charge, standard post chargers , granny cable. But why can't it use the AC43KW charger as well? all be it only 7kw as the on board charger can handle. am I missing something?

    It can't use 44 Kw AC because it has a max of 7 Kw AC charger on board.

    This is why it uses CCS DC, it bypasses the cars AC charger and feeds direct to the battery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭✭isnottheword


    What's worse is that I didn't know at the time that the EVSE is 32 amp "ready" it's just software limited to 16 amps.

    If it's a software thing, is there a way to apply a fix for that?


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it's a software thing, is there a way to apply a fix for that?

    Yes, if it is indeed 32 amp ready, if it had a 40 amp breaker in the EVSE then there's a good chance it is 32 amp ready.

    This is what mine looks like.

    1170651_BB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    We should really start a new dedicated EVSE thread lads. Mad_Lad, you wanna start it off?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »
    We should really start a new dedicated EVSE thread lads. Mad_Lad, you wanna start it off?

    There is a thread here already, old but no need start a new one I don't think.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?t=2057562213


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,744 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    KCross wrote: »
    It's all behind you now villain. The price of diesel is all you need to worry about! :)

    You mean petrol :D

    I intend having an EV again in the future so I am still very interested in how the project progresses here.

    Sadly the media and most others have no idea what is about to happen with the CER review :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭peposhi


    Booked an Ionic extended test drive on 31st... Will give it a good run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    irbx wrote: »
    I guys want to as silly question. This car used ccs rapid charge, standard post chargers , granny cable. But why can't it use the AC43KW charger as well? all be it only 7kw as the on board charger can handle. am I missing something?

    Batteries require DC to charge so the car has an inbuilt AC to DC converter. It's only able to handle 7kw max.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    There is a thread here already, old but no need start a new one I don't think.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?t=2057562213

    I remember pulling the details from that thread when I did mine and found it a bit tough to have all the info in 1 place. So I put it together and threw it up on the FB group:
    https://facebook.com/groups/irishevowners/permalink/1035511643200090/

    Also here's the better cleaner thread where we discussed upgrading the EVSE
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057580290


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭Bigus


    From irish EV owners on face book.
    User Fergal Kavanagh
    "Did my 100km each way commute on monday in a brand new 30kwh leaf and on Thurs in a brand new Ioniq. It includes a 70km motorway leg which I did at 125km/h. Even with a 2 degrees drop on Ioniq day, there was 25% more battery in the Ioniq, (12% against 37%).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,451 ✭✭✭KCross


    Bigus wrote: »
    From irish EV owners on face book.
    User Fergal Kavanagh
    "Did my 100km each way commute on monday in a brand new 30kwh leaf and on Thurs in a brand new Ioniq. It includes a 70km motorway leg which I did at 125km/h. Even with a 2 degrees drop on Ioniq day, there was 25% more battery in the Ioniq, (12% against 37%).

    A 30kWh leaf cant do 200km on a charge, can it? Particularly since a lot of it is motorway speed.

    Any 30kWh leaf owners care to comment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭Bigus


    This is very impressive , especially the pedestrian collision avoidence at the end

    Euro NCAP crash tests




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭cros13


    josip wrote: »
    If anyone is due a new dryer and thinking about buying a new one the heat pump dryers use a hell of a lot less energy, I believe some as little as 1.5 Kwh V 6.5 for a traditional dryer

    Yup... My samsung heat pump dryer uses about 1.5kWh for on the normal cotton setting. The real saving are to be had moving to any A-rated appliance over anything lower rated.

    Definitely go 32A for the chargepoint. Maybe switch to power showers as well.
    KCross wrote: »
    A 30kWh leaf cant do 200km on a charge, can it? Particularly since a lot of it is motorway speed.

    Any 30kWh leaf owners care to comment?

    He's charging at work in the middle.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cros13 wrote: »
    Yup... My samsung heat pump dryer uses about 1.5kWh for on the normal cotton setting. The real saving are to be had moving to any A-rated appliance over anything lower rated.

    Definitely go 32A for the chargepoint. Maybe switch to power showers as well.



    He's charging at work in the middle.

    You got the quote from the wrong person in the top of your post wrong lol. It was me who said that about the dryer. :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭cros13


    You got the quote from the wrong person in the top of your post wrong lol. It was me who said that about the dryer. :eek:

    Sorry... the dangers of editing quotes when you're still groggy from the night before. :)


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