Accusations of sexual assault on "reality" tv show, double standards?

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 03:00PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

By attempting to appear not bothered by the double standards on show and acting like a woman randomly rubbing her naked self up against is nothing yes you are.

Say what? I've read that several times and I'm not closer to understanding what you're getting at.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It's worrying that anyone would be OK with Chloe's behavior.

I hope the worry that someone having a differing opinion to you doesn't cause you too much distress.

Dr Crayfish · 19-01-2017 03:01PM

It's not a double standard really. Men can be sexually threatening to women, not really the other way around as generally men are the much stronger sex. Men are capable of raping women etc.
So I may not like it if some aul one rubbed her arse all over me, I may be disgusted, but I'd quickly move on and it'd hardly traumatise me.
The other way around is just much, much worse, in my opinion.

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 03:04PM

"Naked Essex Tart Rubs Her Arse Against Half Of Jedward!! 1nt3rn3tz Outraged!!" :pac::pac::pac:

19-01-2017 03:07PM

That horrible woman definitely overstepped the line between messing and assault, the recipients weren't at all happy and she should at least have been removed for inappropriate behaviour. Ugh.

On another note, it's really creepy for two grown men to be called an amalgamated name. I know it's their 'thing' etc, but they're two individuals, not two knobs on the same cane.

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 03:08PM

Candie wrote: »

...they're two individuals, not two knobs on the same cane.

The two ends of a mule's tool sprang to my mind. :pac:

kfallon · 19-01-2017 03:09PM

Candie wrote: »

not two knobs on the same cane.

Oh they're 2 knobs alright..... :pac:

daheff · 19-01-2017 03:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If a man says he is a feminist, it doesn't mean he wants women to have more rights than men, he wants women to have the same rights.

It has to be a level playing field and no one should be sexually intimidated.

Feminists want women to have at least the same rights as men. They are not interested in men having the same rights as women. They are advocates for women only.

fully agree with the last point you make Robert -nobody should have to put up with sexual initimidation/harassment/call it what you want.

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

It's not a double standard really. Men can be sexually threatening to women, not really the other way around as generally men are the much stronger sex. Men are capable of raping women etc.
.

Women are capable of raping men too..http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/girl-17-charged-with-raping-19yearold-man-at-knifepoint-35380700.html

bucketybuck · 19-01-2017 03:11PM

jimgoose wrote: »

"Naked Essex Tart Rubs Her Arse Against Half Of Jedward!! 1nt3rn3tz Outraged!!" :pac::pac::pac:

"Naked man grabs womans breast! One man arrested."

professore · 19-01-2017 03:11PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I wouldn't have an issue if the roles were reversed. If a penis or vagina was brought into the mix I would…

At the angle she is rubbing her ass at, that in practical terms IS her vagina.

19-01-2017 03:13PM

Please people, we're talking pudenda/vulva, not vagina.

Unless she turned herself inside out, which would be a completely different discussion.

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 03:15PM

professore wrote: »

At the angle she is rubbing her ass at, that in practical terms IS her vagina.

If she was a sheep…

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 03:17PM

Candie wrote: »

Please people, we're talking pudenda/vulva, not vagina.

Unless she turned herself inside out, which would be a completely different discussion.

Can I use fanny instead? Covers all bases… especially if we use it for its American meaning as well.

professore · 19-01-2017 03:23PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Feminists are for women. They are interested in women's rights. Men have their own groups. Direct your anger to those because they are just as silent as feminists on this.

I think men's rights groups are more interested in serious disadvantages that men have compared to women, such as the heavily family rights courts, longer sentences for men for the same crimes, the automatic assumption of guilt if accused of domestic abuse or rape, the amount of suicides and the under - representation of men at third level etc than to be even bothered by something like this.

Not saying that women don't have disadvantages with respect to men, but most of these have been addressed, and modern feminism is largely hysteria.

professore · 19-01-2017 03:25PM

Candie wrote: »

Please people, we're talking pudenda/vulva, not vagina.

Unless she turned herself inside out, which would be a completely different discussion.

Yeah you're right ... the original guy said vagina.

professore · 19-01-2017 03:25PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can I use fanny instead? Covers all bases… especially if we use it for its American meaning as well.

Fanny is too open to misinterpretation

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 03:26PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can I use fanny instead? Covers all bases… especially if we use it for its American meaning as well.

I remember being deeply shocked as a youngfella in the 1980s when some fella on an American TV show let a roar out of him to the daughter, "Martha! Get your skinny little fanny in here, pronto!!" :pac::pac::pac:

Dr Crayfish · 19-01-2017 03:26PM

Jedward are creepy alright at this stage. Serious question - are they mentally retarded?

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 03:30PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Jedward are creepy alright at this stage. Serious question - are they mentally retarded?

No but let's pretend they are so it makes the incident 100 times worse.

'SHOCK AS GEORDIE WOMAN RUBS ASS ON DISABLED TWIN!!!'

jimgoose · 19-01-2017 03:31PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

No but let's pretend they are so it makes the incident 100 times worse.

'SHOCK AS GEORDIE WOMAN RUBS ASS ON DISABLED TWIN!!!'

Oh, she's from Newcastle is she? That's just their way of being friendly, why-aye mon! :pac:

LionelNashe · 19-01-2017 03:31PM

A man generally wouldn't mind, or wouldn't mind as much, when a woman rubs her naked arse against him, as when the situation is reversed. That's why there's (quite rightly) a double standard.

IvySlayer · 19-01-2017 03:31PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Jedward are creepy alright at this stage. Serious question - are they mentally retarded?

Have they ever rubbed their naked body against someone who was clearly uncomfortable with it?

It is double standards. The Ellen show is shocking for it. For some reason the men end up being stripped. Bieber was on it and they showed his naked picture and he was uncomfortable about it.

If a male host started showing leaked pictures of woman while she was on there would be uproar

kunst nugget · 19-01-2017 03:38PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

A man generally wouldn't mind, or wouldn't mind as much, when a woman rubs her naked arse against him, as when the situation is reversed. That's why there's (quite rightly) a double standard.

I'd mind but I'd tell her to fúck off. I won't be worrying too much about whether I'd considered myself a victim of sexual harassment.

professore · 19-01-2017 03:39PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

A man generally wouldn't mind, or wouldn't mind as much, when a woman rubs her naked arse against him, as when the situation is reversed. That's why there's (quite rightly) a double standard.

It would depend a lot on the woman doing the rubbing. Wouldn't be crazy about it myself.

Reverse the genders and you could say the same.

DrPhilG · 19-01-2017 03:46PM

Sexual? No.

Assault? No

Appropriate? No

Would the reaction and response have been the same if the genders were reversed? No.

py2006 · 19-01-2017 03:47PM

Most lads don't (can't) care about this kinda stuff. It is the double standard that sets the alarm bells ringing and sends the feminists the quiet house!

retro:electro · 19-01-2017 03:52PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Sorry but what has this got to do with feminists? Woman does something to a man and the tv company don't deal with it. The only person to blame here is the woman involved and whoever behind the scenes didn't act accordingly. As a woman who identifies as feminist I think any kind of unwanted sexual contact is unacceptable no matter which gender is involved.

Because how can you want equality when men are punished for this and women aren't. If you actually wanted equality you'd be more vocal about issues like this. Or is it just selective equality you want? Equality only when it advances woman and only when it demotes men?

professore · 19-01-2017 03:53PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Sexual? No.

Assault? No

Appropriate? No

Would the reaction and response have been the same if the genders were reversed? No.

How do you define assault though? A previous poster said if the person on the receiving end felt assaulted, then it's assault. This is not a good yardstick IMO. If I'm offended by seeing women's uncovered hair, should every woman have to wear a hijab?

It's definitely sexual.

It's certainly sexual harassment ... no question about it. Far less is considered sexual harassment.

mzungu · 19-01-2017 03:57PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

A man generally wouldn't mind, or wouldn't mind as much, when a woman rubs her naked arse against him, as when the situation is reversed. That's why there's (quite rightly) a double standard.

Ehh, speak for yourself there, but most of us have respect for personal space and would not welcome that kind of behaviour.

blue note · 19-01-2017 03:58PM

If the genders were reversed we'd be hearing about how it's typical of society and rape culture that you can do something like this and out go pretty much unpunished and unnoticed. Everyone would be condemning it and condemning the fact that it's considered acceptable behaviour.

But, the way it is the girl didn't seem to think she did anything wrong, no punishment beyond a little please don't do that again has been issued and this is barely mentioned that I've seen in the media. Which pretty much says that this type of assault is culturally pretty acceptable when a woman does it to a man. Similarly when earlier in the series when someone grabbed a guy by the dick.

andekwarhola · 19-01-2017 03:58PM

I think the gap in judgement comes from the intiidmidation aspect. I doubt myself or any other man would be intimidated (annoyed and embarrassed sure) by a woman doing that whereas in a lot of cases, a woman is more likely to be intimidated, given statistics and the (usual if not always) difference in size/strength etc.

Obviously not condoning her behaviour though as it's a horrible and humiliating thing to do to somebody and in a context such as a workplace, it should be punished across the board, regardless of gender.

Accusations of sexual assault on "reality" tv show, double standards?

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