Stay away from Toyota Corolla d4d diesel

selectamatic · 08-01-2017 12:55AM

road_high wrote: »

I'm sure some are. I always figured the Prius was more Corolla class though.

True I wanted to offer up a Toyota branded alternative first before suggesting that what you're looking for in an executive style saloon car made by the Toyota group will actually have a Lexus badge. Or is the is300h lagging behind these wonderful competitors too in the quality and technology stakes.

road_high · 08-01-2017 01:19AM

selectamatic wrote: »

True I wanted to offer up a Toyota branded alternative first before suggesting that what you're looking for in an executive style saloon car made by the Toyota group will actually have a Lexus badge. Or is the is300h lagging behind these wonderful competitors too in the quality and technology stakes.

You raise an interesting point. No I actually think Lexus are fantastic, love their unique and classy Japanese style. The SUV thing they have looks great as does the IS range- which is why I can't understand they can't spread a bit of that to the more affordable Avensis- VW can do this with their VW and Audi ranges- why can't Toyota do similar? They're clearly well capable of desirable competent cars.

corks finest · 08-01-2017 01:29AM

Excorrolla wrote: »

Hey folks just to warn people about 2011 Toyota Corolla diesel d4d. They have a problem once you go above 130000k where some gears can no longer be engaged. To fix the issue the gearbox needs to be removed which is going to cost you north of 1000 euros..Toyota customer support will not admit a fault and you are left to carry the cost. They will use excuse car is out of warranty ..note newer models may be affected also as Toyota seem to be in denial problem exists...be warned...ask around some independent garages and you will find this is becoming a known problem.. any prospective buyer of Corolla take note and stay away

Buy a Honda

selectamatic · 08-01-2017 01:30AM

@road_high

Because its a flooded market you have basic but reliable and relatively cheap avensis. The middle ground is wedged with base spec Audi's and bmw's and then the upper end of the market is lexus, bmw msport, Audi sline/black edition, jaguar, Mercedes etc.

The thing with the vw group is they are separate brands which now all operate under vw and share a parts base but originally they were their own entity.

Lexus was created by Toyota for toyota. Internationally it could be seen as Toyota's msport or amg division if you will although that's an overly simplistic view point.

Anyways we're straying too far off topic, in relation to the op I'd be interested to know if this gearbox issue is present in a six speed Toyota box mated to the 1.4d4d as I've never heard of any issues with these it's even very rear that an issue occurs with the 5 speed diesel boxes.

The bearing issue some are referring to here generally applied to 5 speed boxes from the mid noughties and generally it was the boxes mated to petrol vvti engines which gave some bother.

11-01-2017 09:57AM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

If the gearbox is properly reconditioned the bearings should only have to be done once.

If the gearbox was built properly first day with bearings fit for purpose a reconditioning shouldn't be required for 300 k kms + imo.

Interesting how you are quick to point out a substandard re con job while ignoring the actual issue.

Surely you can see many Toyota products (Corolla and Avensis) are essentially cheap ole sh1t that make little sense to most new car buyers compared to the competition.

walus · 11-01-2017 02:36PM

Are those 1.4 d4d fitted with dual mass flywheel by the factory?

JohnBoy26 · 11-01-2017 02:54PM

Augeo wrote: »

If the gearbox was built properly first day with bearings fit for purpose a reconditioning shouldn't be required for 300 k kms + imo.

Interesting how you are quick to point out a substandard re con job while ignoring the actual issue.

Gearbox bearing failures are more to do with the bearing manufacturer rather than the car manufacturer itself. There was a lot of bearing failures across many brands in cars from the late 90's to the mid 00's.

Some cars from the early to mid 90's with the exact same gearbox as their later counterparts didn't suffer from bearing failures. nissan's sunny and the later almera are an example of this, as is the corolla.

You usually only have to replace the bearings once, that was the point I was trying to make. I've never seen bearings having to be replaced twice or three times, especially over a short period of time. Im not saying it doesn't happen but it isn't the norm.

Augeo wrote: »

Surely you can see many Toyota products (Corolla and Avensis) are essentially cheap ole sh1t that make little sense to most new car buyers compared to the competition.

Well they must make some sense to new car buyers, otherwise Toyota wouldn't be the best selling car brand last year. :cool:

bazz26 · 11-01-2017 03:18PM

walus wrote: »

Are those 1.4 d4d fitted with dual mass flywheel by the factory?

No.

elperello · 11-01-2017 07:30PM

In 2003 the Avensis was a good car with a good engine.
In 2009 they took away the good car and left the good engine.
In 2015 they took away the good engine and left.....?

JohnBoy26 · 11-01-2017 07:32PM

elperello wrote: »

In 2003 the Avensis was a good car with a good engine.
In 2009 they took away the good car and left the good engine.
In 2015 they took away the good engine and left.....?

What are you on about?

12-01-2017 03:14PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Gearbox bearing failures are more to do with the bearing manufacturer rather than the car manufacturer itself. ...............

You can apply that "logic" to most components

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Well they must make some sense to new car buyers, otherwise Toyota wouldn't be the best selling car brand last year. :cool:

Little between Toyota, Hyundai, Ford and Volkswagon

Toyota make sense to some who probably don't think much about it, ole farmers daughters from the arse of Mayo etc :pac:

Dia1988 · 12-01-2017 08:14PM

Which Toyota model sells the most in Ireland?

Is it the Corolla, and is this because of Europecar buying a load of them for rental?

The Rav 4 and Avensis look seriously dated.

The Yaris and Aygo aren't a bad car.

selectamatic · 12-01-2017 08:22PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

Which Toyota model sells the most in Ireland?

Is it the Corolla, and is this because of Europecar buying a load of them for rental?

Yep corolla.
Yaris up there too.

Toyota have led the hybrid revolution the last few years. They've put forward some outstanding performance orientated cars especially the truly outstanding Lexus LFA.
They're returned to btcc.
Making leaps of progress in NASCAR
And made one of the best mass produced all purpose n/a v6 engines of the last 10 years, the 2grfe.

Quite frankly if almost any other brand had done all of the above lads would be on here raving about it but it's the done thing here to paint Toyota as the antithesis of petrol heads where as nothing could be further from the truth when you look at it from a logical viewpoint and leave childish American style marque loyalty out of it.

Underarmoured · 12-01-2017 08:22PM

Up toyota best built cars in the world

bazz26 · 12-01-2017 08:25PM

Go home Underarmoured, your drunk.

Even Toyota don't spout that marketing mush anymore.

D Trent · 12-01-2017 11:24PM

road_high wrote: »

Had one on loan for a day this year even my beautiful Mazda 6 was in the garage...so you needn't warm me anyhow- the drive and quality of this car was bad enough to put me off!
New car but seriously underpowered (foot to floor and nothing much happens). The interior is also very very low rent. Taken on its merits I can't understand how these are still best sellers. The styling is actually not too bad but the car itself is not good...

Well Bill if we take each game on its merits...

13-01-2017 10:46AM

selectamatic wrote: »

Yep corolla.
Yaris up there too.

Toyota have led the hybrid revolution the last few years. They've put forward some outstanding performance orientated cars especially the truly outstanding Lexus LFA.
They're returned to btcc.
Making leaps of progress in NASCAR
And made one of the best mass produced all purpose n/a v6 engines of the last 10 years, the 2grfe.

Quite frankly if almost any other brand had done all of the above lads would be on here raving about it but it's the done thing here to paint Toyota as the antithesis of petrol heads where as nothing could be further from the truth when you look at it from a logical viewpoint and leave childish American style marque loyalty out of it.

I reckon you're a farmer :pac:

selectamatic · 13-01-2017 03:29PM

Augeo wrote: »

I reckon you're a farmer :pac:

Considering the main places I post here are the motoring forum, the farming forum and the boxing forum it didn't take a genius to work that one out.

Having owned cars from 8 different marques (currently in a bmw) and never once blatantly criticised a specific marque on here I'd probably be more impartial than yourself.

However feel free to offer up any educated critique of what I said in my previous post though.

Underarmoured · 13-01-2017 04:21PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Go home Underarmoured, your drunk.

Even Toyota don't spout that marketing mush anymore.

Well from my experience toyota never gave me any trouble atall. As for newest models i cant comment. My toyota hasnt seen a garage only for a service best car iv had

road_high · 14-01-2017 10:36PM

selectamatic wrote: »

Yep corolla.
Yaris up there too.

Toyota have led the hybrid revolution the last few years. They've put forward some outstanding performance orientated cars especially the truly outstanding Lexus LFA.
They're returned to btcc.
Making leaps of progress in NASCAR
And made one of the best mass produced all purpose n/a v6 engines of the last 10 years, the 2grfe.

Quite frankly if almost any other brand had done all of the above lads would be on here raving about it but it's the done thing here to paint Toyota as the antithesis of petrol heads where as nothing could be further from the truth when you look at it from a logical viewpoint and leave childish American style marque loyalty out of it.

That's all very well. But the Toyota offering in Ireland is what we are talking about which is pretty poor.
Their core range of Auris, Corolla and Avensis are just not appealing cars and not as good as their class peers. No amount of Hybrid tech etc is going to change this.
Actually the contrary with me, was always a big Toyota fan. We owned numerous models in our family. Want to like them but the current range makes that impossible.
I would buy an Aygo, Land Cruiser or the new CHR as they're class competitive. The rest all have far better alternatives from other marques.

14-01-2017 10:41PM

selectamatic wrote: »

Considering the main places I post here are the motoring forum, the farming forum and the boxing forum it didn't take a genius to work that one out.

Having owned cars from 8 different marques (currently in a bmw) and never once blatantly criticised a specific marque on here I'd probably be more impartial than yourself.

However feel free to offer up any educated critique of what I said in my previous post though.

I had a Celica years ago for a good bit and the folks had a Corolla in days gone by.
Your post isn't really remotely logical, as pointed out by colm the toyota stuff on Irish roads for the most part is not great. Nascar? FFS like.

JohnBoy26 · 14-01-2017 10:43PM

road_high wrote: »

That's all very well. But the Toyota offering in Ireland is what we are talking about which is pretty poor.
Their core range of Auris, Corolla and Avensis are just not appealing cars and not as good as their class peers. No amount of Hybrid tech etc is going to change this.
Actually the contrary with me, was always a big Toyota fan. We owned numerous models in our family. Want to like them but the current range makes that impossible.
I would buy an Aygo, Land Cruiser or the new CHR as they're class competitive. The rest all have far better alternatives from other marques.

Every second car you see on the road is one of these so they must be appealing to some people. Hybrids are also getting a lot more popular and tbh no other car maker is as good as toyota at doing hybrids.

14-01-2017 10:47PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Every second car you see on the road is one of these so they must be appealing to some people...........

Farmers who haven't migrated to Octavias, relatives of those farmers, rental companies and people who have always bought toyota Corollas

14-01-2017 10:50PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Every second car you see on the road is one of these so they must be appealing to some people. Hybrids are also getting a lot more popular and tbh no other car maker is as good as toyota at doing hybrids.

Toyota have a 50% market share ?

14-01-2017 10:52PM

9935452 wrote: »

Toyota have a 50% market share ?

about 14% iirc

the toyota lads are fierce passionate, facts & figures get lost in the emotion

166man · 14-01-2017 10:54PM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Every second car you see on the road is one of these so they must be appealing to some people. Hybrids are also getting a lot more popular and tbh no other car maker is as good as toyota at doing hybrids.

Just because people buy the things doesn't mean they're any good. There's a lot to be said for a brand, and to be fair Toyota have a strong brand.

They have been crucified in Ireland over the last few years with their cars being nowhere near the quality of days gone by, as well as people seeing sense and realising that the competitors offer more.

What's the warranty on a new Toyota these days, I think it's 3 years? I think that says it all when the competitors are offering double that.

road_high · 14-01-2017 10:59PM

Augeo wrote: »

I had a Celica years ago for a good bit and the folks had a Corolla in days gone by.
Your post isn't really remotely logical, as pointed out by colm the toyota stuff on Irish roads for the most part is not great. Nascar? FFS like.

Circa 2000 I loved what Toyota sold here...the MR2 and Celica were great...I think that model Celica still looks great. Seemed to see a fair few here too as they were very common until recently. Shame they never continued. The GT model is nice but too expensive.

road_high · 14-01-2017 11:01PM

166man wrote: »

Just because people buy the things doesn't mean they're any good. There's a lot to be said for a brand, and to be fair Toyota have a strong brand.

They have been crucified in Ireland over the last few years with their cars being nowhere near the quality of days gone by, as well as people seeing sense and realising that the competitors offer more.

What's the warranty on a new Toyota these days, I think it's 3 years? I think that says it all when the competitors are offering double that.

Renault offer 5...! Several blue chip Toyota dealers such as Kearys and Linders left the marque and now sell Renaults...why is this?

road_high · 14-01-2017 11:04PM

Augeo wrote: »

Farmers who haven't migrated to Octavias, relatives of those farmers, rental companies and people who have always bought toyota Corollas

Indeed...same with the Avensis...many switched to better alternatives like the Passat. It was once a mainstay of the rural Irish motoring set, not so anymore.

colm_mcm · 14-01-2017 11:06PM

road_high wrote: »

Circa 2000 I loved what Toyota sold here...the MR2 and Celica were great...I think that model Celica still looks great. Seemed to see a fair few here too as they were very common until recently. Shame they never continued. The GT model is nice but too expensive.

The thing is, they didn't really sell MR2s or Celicas. They were available, but nobody bought them. Toyota has always been dull with a few fun models thrown in. The GT86 is about as relevant today as the Celica was back then, in terms of actual new car sales.

The golden age of Carina Es and Corolla e100's that were indestructible were still criticised st the time for being poorly equipped and dull.

Stay away from Toyota Corolla d4d diesel

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