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  • #842
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    It's funny and sad.

    Utterly broke Americans with no access to health care or education vote in a guy who stokes up all their fears and makes bull**** promises about change and then he hires the worst people on wall st and a cabinet full of utterly unqualified nepotistas and yes men, and those poor voters think it's all gonna make America great again.


    More tragic that gimps in and from rural Ireland supporting him.
    *this is why we don't give you broadband*


  • #843
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    They said the Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC. They didn't say that every email and every rumour was true. The Russian intelligence services filtered those hacks to find and "enrich" the emails that would assist their asset Donald Trump before they were passed to Wikileaks. Thats why RNC emails are not released. Yet anyway.

    But you're so edgy and cool, you trust random people on the internet to tell the truth when everyone else is dishonest. We're all just asleep.

    Let's put aside the fact that over 10 years, Wikileaks has never been proven to release a fake document. There documents have been in court case, in congress, books have been written about them, 5 people have been fired from the DNC because of them this election, and others from the media like Donna Brazile.

    What they said was none of the emails appeared fake.

    So again, do you not trust the US intelligence agencies, or are you just mad you've been caught after you tried to make a fool of me?


  • #844
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Let's put aside the fact that over 10 years, Wikileaks has never been proven to release a fake document.

    What they said was none of the emails appeared fake.

    So again, do you not trust the US intelligence agencies, or are you just mad you've been caught after you tried to make a fool of me?

    You're someone who trusts 4chan and anonymous people on the internet to tell you the truth. That's not a judgement, just my observation. No need to be defensive.

    Can you verify that image is more genuine than the Trump dossier you disbelieve?


  • #845
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    david75 wrote: »
    It's funny and sad.

    Utterly broke Americans with no access to health care or education vote in a guy who stokes up all their fears and makes bull**** promises about change and then he hires the worst people on wall st and a cabinet full of utterly unqualified nepotistas and yes men, and those poor voters think it's all gonna make America great again.


    More tragic that gimps in and from rural Ireland supporting him.
    *this is why we don't give you broadband*


    :P


  • #846
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    You're someone who trusts 4chan and anonymous people on the internet to tell you the truth. That's not a judgement, just my observation. No need to be defensive.

    Can you verify that image is more genuine than the Trump dossier you disbelieve?

    That image comes this PDF attached to a John Podesta email.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/1120/251

    Here's the email itself.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Here's an article from Politico reporting on it.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428


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  • #847
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Not what the media were saying.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/29/russia-election-hack-obama-response-commentary.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/mike-pompeo-cia-director-hearing-donald-trump/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-cia-pick-warns-world-gaining-us/story?id=44733782

    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161217110439-inside-the-russian-hack-on-us-election-00034024-full-169.jpg

    https://s30.postimg.org/6i8g39c0x/12344.png

    I agree they have taken more liberties with the headlines than I am comfortable but the articles make it clear that Putin did not directly hack the results.

    Trump tended to avoid the question of whether or not Russia hacked the dnc and focused on the fact Putin did not directly affect the results.


  • #848
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I agree they have taken more liberties with the headlines than I am comfortable but the articles make it clear that Putin did not directly hack the results.

    Trump tended to avoid the question of whether or not Russia hacked the dnc and focused on the fact Putin did not directly affect the results.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-officials-putin-personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146


  • #849
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    That image comes this PDF attached to a John Podesta email.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/1120/251

    Here's the email itself.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120

    Here's an article from Politico reporting on it.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

    So you can't independently verify the image fed to you by Wikileaks/Russian hackers. See, you don't lose anything by admitting it.


  • #850
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    So you can't independently verify the image fed to you by Wikileaks/Russian hackers. See, you don't lose anything by admitting it.

    If you have use the stance the Wikileaks emails are fake ( even after US intelligence has said they aren't ), you've already lost the argument.


    Tell me, why were people from the DNC and the media fired because of them?

    Did the Russians fool the DNC and news outlets like CNN too?


  • #851
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    If you have use the stance the Wikileaks emails are fake, you've already lost the argument.

    I'm just a little more realistic than you. I don't accept everything someone says to me on the internet as being true. Its why 48 hours ago you considered it more probable the Trump dossier was a hoax because someone on 4chan told you it was. And I did not.

    Remember, you are lying to me. You are probably lying to yourself. Why do you think some anonymous person you never met is more honest than you are?


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  • #852
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    I'm just a little more realistic than you. I don't accept everything someone says to me on the internet as being true. Its why 48 hours ago you considered it more probable the Trump dossier was a hoax because someone on 4chan told you it was. And I did not.

    Remember, you are lying to me. You are probably lying to yourself. Why do you think some anonymous person you never met is more honest than you are?

    Why were people from the DNC and the media like CNN fired because of what came out in the emails if they're not credible?

    Why did the US intelligence agencies say none of them appear fake?

    Why has no document released over 10 years by Wikileaks been shown to be false.

    Realistic isn't what you are, you're brainwashed.


  • #853
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-officials-putin-personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146

    That appears to be an example of what I said? A headline which I am not a fan of and text saying interfering in the election.

    Even then they limit themselves to the phrase election hack instead of using the phrase hacked the election. I mean it is absolutely trickery I don't approve for clicks on the headline but the he article text just says interfered with.


  • #854
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Why were people from the DNC and the media like CNN fired because of what came out in the emails if they're not credible?

    Why did the US intelligence agencies say none of them appear fake?

    Why has no document released over 10 years by Wikileaks been shown to be false.

    Realistic isn't what you are, you're brainwashed.

    Why do you make claims and offer no evidence other than links to 4chan, wikileaks and other anonymous trolls on the internet?


  • #855
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Christy42 wrote: »
    That appears to be an example of what I said? A headline which I am not a fan of and text saying interfering in the election.

    Even then they limit themselves to the phrase election hack instead of using the phrase hacked the election. I mean it is absolutely trickery I don't approve for clicks on the headline but the he article text just says interfered with.

    "Russia hacked the election", that exact phrase, was plastered around the media non stop.

    The narrative wasn't RT was brainwashing people or whatever, it was Russia and Wikileaks were in cahoots.

    Anyway, no point being pedantic.


  • #856
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    Why do you make claims and offer no evidence other than links to 4chan, wikileaks and other anonymous trolls on the internet?

    So Wikileaks are trolls is it, that's your stance?

    You're embarrassing yourself.

    Here, I'll bite.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534


  • #857
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    So Wikileaks are trolls is it, that's your stance?

    You're embarrassing yourself.

    Well, 4chan trolled you.

    And as for the Russian intelligence services, I guess you never disbelieved anything they fed to you via Wikileaks.


  • #858
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    Well, 4chan trolled you.

    And as for the Russian intelligence services, I guess you never disbelieved anything they fed to you via Wikileaks.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders

    Damn those pesky Wikileaks trolls.


  • #859
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders

    Damn those pesky Wikileaks trolls.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102228704&postcount=89


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102228793&postcount=90

    Damn those pesky 4chan trolls.

    Honestly, in all fairness - I applaud 4chan. With gullible Trump supporters willing to bite at anything and trying to be semi-serious, it must be like fishing in a barrel with dynamite.


  • #860
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102228704&postcount=89


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102228793&postcount=90

    Damn those pesky 4chan trolls.

    Oh dear.

    Because you've showed yourself to be completely uninformed about Wikleaks, their impact on the election and compared them to trolls, you have to quote something I said when a unverified document was dumped on the internet at 1am. Ignore the part where I asked for a link verifying what was dumped, which at the time, there wasn't any.

    You win.


  • #861
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    I'd like to now how the Trump supporters on this thread would like the world to be?


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  • #862
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    laugh wrote: »
    I'd like to now how the Trump supporters on this thread would like the world to be?

    No Government corruption would be a start. I'm not expecting that though.


  • #863
    SkinnyBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭SkinnyBuddha


    laugh wrote: »
    I'd like to now how the Trump supporters on this thread would like the world to be?
    Vaccine , muslim , mexican and media free I'd say.....


  • #864
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    laugh wrote: »
    I'd like to now how the Trump supporters on this thread would like the world to be?

    Flat?


  • #865
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    No Government corruption would be a start. I'm not expecting that though.

    With Trump at the helm that's admirably realistic.


  • #866
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sand wrote: »
    With Trump at the helm that's admirably realistic.

    He's already calling out the corrupt intelligence agencies, so I'm somewhat optimistic.


  • #867
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    "Russia hacked the election", that exact phrase, was plastered around the media non stop.

    The narrative wasn't RT was brainwashing people or whatever, it was Russia and Wikileaks were in cahoots.

    Anyway, no point being pedantic.

    Not very much given I searched that exact phrase and none of the links you had use it.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=russia+hacked.the.election&oq=russia+hacked.the.election&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.5771j1j4&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

    I am aware of the media narrative between Russia and wikileaks. Trump has not argued against that and the IC have not claimed it definitively. It does not seem like a terrible assumption but I agree with the IC as opposed to the media on that one. The media focusing on the dnc hack I have no issue with though. It was the Russians.

    Given Trump has not bothered arguing against that (except for quoting Assange one time and denying he was agreeing with him after) I am not sure why you bring it up though? Giving wikileaks the emails certainly does not count as hacking the election in my book. So election hack is certainly misleading phrasing on behalf of the media.

    However this is the donald trump thread and he has been far more misleading in this regard. Certainly about his evidence of it not being the Russians that he was meant to have ready for last week I believe. His certainty in the latest tweet which can't be right or he is holding back for no reason and focusing on using clever wording to allow him to say Russia did not hack the election results while dodging around whether or not Russia hacked the dnc. He also went on two quick 180s on the issue or had a typo in his latest tweet. There are several nefarious reasons why this could be intentional. Indeed he does seem to use Twitter for this reason but I can give him the benefit of the doubt for the weekend on it. I am sure he will have clarified it by Monday.


  • #868
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    He's already calling out the corrupt intelligence agencies, so I'm somewhat optimistic.

    Ah hang now Hank.

    I'll be honest in saying so far you have been a measured person and have made some perfectly valid points, but you are mind bogglingly deluded if you think Trump isn't as corrupt as Clinton or anyone else.

    He bad mouths CNN claiming fake news, yet misses out on half of what they said, the irony on him being lost that he led the nonsense claim that Obama is from Kenya, he also promoted the claim that Obama is Muslim by "implying" so, and he also "implied" that Obama was involved in the Orlando shooting.

    He has literally pushed fake news for years and years in an effort to promote himself.


  • #869
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Ah hang now Hank.

    I'll be honest in saying so far you have been a measured person and have made some perfectly valid points, but you are mind bogglingly deluded if you think Trump isn't as corrupt as Clinton or anyone else.

    He bad mouths CNN claiming fake news, yet misses out on half of what they said, the irony on him being lost that he led the nonsense claim that Obama is from Kenya, he also promoted the claim that Obama is Muslim by "implying" so, and he also "implied" that Obama was involved in the Orlando shooting.

    He has literally pushed fake news for years and years in an effort to promote himself.

    I don't think Trump is clean at all fwiw. But it's a different type of dirty.

    What's come out about Huma Abedin ( She was shown be under FBI investigation in a FBI vault dump because of her connections and leaves of absence ) , the huge collection of emails on Weiners laptop, HRC dealings with countries like Saudi Arabia/Pay to play stuff, her stance on increased Migration from Syria among places to the US, and the shady ethics of her election campaign made me think something more sinister was at play.


  • #870
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    That's what the FBI themselves dumped about Huma Abedin. Ignore the stuff on the sides in the red text. Actually I'll edit it because I'll get slated.

    fbiahuma.png


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  • #871
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    He's already calling out the corrupt intelligence agencies, so I'm somewhat optimistic.

    Yup. He's got "his people" investigating now, we can really trust them to find out the truth.


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