N4 - Collooney to Castlebaldwin [open to traffic]

marno21 · 17-10-2016 3:15pm

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=103753&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Tender has gone out today for engineering consultancy services for the tender and construction stages of this scheme.

Likely now 2018 start.

marno21 · 12-01-2017 5:10pm

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rwlentrance_s.asp?PID=107092&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1

Tender out for topological survey along the route.

lucernarian · 13-01-2017 9:12am

Will the planned route have any prohibitions on walking, cycling or very slow vehicles?

Without hard shoulders, it seems unacceptably dangerous to allow vulnerable road users on it.

BelfastVanMan · 13-01-2017 10:24am

lucernarian wrote: »

Will the planned route have any prohibitions on walking, cycling or very slow vehicles?

Without hard shoulders, it seems unacceptably dangerous to allow vulnerable road users on it.

The old road can be used for that...

Cookiemunster · 13-01-2017 11:09am

Deedsie wrote: »

Unless it's a motorway both roads will be used for that...

A pedestrian was killed on the M50 last week. It doesn't matter what the designation is, people will do stupid things.

BelfastVanMan · 13-01-2017 12:31pm

This is very true. Sadly...

lucernarian · 13-01-2017 4:44pm

Deedsie wrote: »

Exactly, motorists, cyclists, pedestrians all do stupid things. Lucernarian commented that our national roads should have hard shoulders to protect vulnerable road users from people who do stupid things.

Banishing cyclists to old roads is plain foolish, building proper roads suitable for everyone should be the policy.

That isn't what I said, I was criticising vulnerable road users being allowed on the proposed road as things stand. I don't have an opinion on whether a hard shoulder should be built, an offline cycle route built alongside, or a ban on bikes and walking like for motorways if possible.

I don't know the area well but I suspect the old road doesn't have much or any hard shoulder either.

Carawaystick · 17-01-2017 12:53am

It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.

MayoSalmon · 17-01-2017 9:47am

Carawaystick wrote: »

It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.

But with drastically reduced traffic volume does that road not become more adequate for use?!

Kevwoody · 17-01-2017 10:42am

Carawaystick wrote: »

It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.

The N86 realignment at Annascaul that was done in 2012 has cycle lanes and footpaths on each side.
I drive that road on a regular basis and not once have I seen a cyclist use them. In fact, any cyclists I've seen use the road as the cycle lane is not "self cleaning " ie it has loose chippings.

In an ideal world we would have someone to sweep and maintain cycle lanes, but we don't even have the money to build decent roads.

Kevwoody · 17-01-2017 11:50am

I think it's crazy to include cycle lanes and not have a hard shoulder, as per the N86 realignment. If your car breaks down, there is nowhere to go but stay on the road, as there is a grass verge between the cycle lane and road.
Surely it would make more sense to have a hard shoulder, which cyclists, pedestrians and motorists can use, and there is no maintenance required?

marno21 · 17-01-2017 2:49pm

Seeing as there are disconnected discussions taking place on the N2, N4 and N25 threads, here's a thread to discuss cyclist provisions on new national road schemes.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057694424/

marno21 · 20-08-2017 11:20pm

Archaelogical findings from the scheme:

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/prehistoric-sites-found-along-new-n4-route-36019955.html

marno21 · 22-11-2017 2:49pm

The N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin scheme has now gone to tender

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=121537&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

roadmaster · 22-11-2017 2:57pm

" earthworks including soft ground and karst" i like that bit of the tender it will fun for the contractor

D Trent · 22-11-2017 10:21pm

In that link
Which is the grade separated junction ?
Is it where the Collooney/Ballygawley roundabout is?
Or the roundabout for the N17 Tobercurry road?
Also the two roundabouts in the tender will be located where ?

Bebo stunnah · 23-11-2017 12:54am

D Trent wrote: »

In that link
Which is the grade separated junction ?
Is it where the Collooney/Ballygawley roundabout is?
Or the roundabout for the N17 Tobercurry road?
Also the two roundabouts in the tender will be located where ?

It looks like the only part of the existing N4 DC being touched is the roundabout at Tobberbride on the N4/N17 junction, which will most likely involve a redesign. That and a roundabout at the termination of the DC in Castlebaldwin.

The grade seperated juntion would be aroud Drumfin somewhere to allow access to the Riverstown/Ballymote roads.

That's what I took from the tender anyways.

marno21 · 23-11-2017 12:58am

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

It looks like the only part of the existing N4 DC being touched is the roundabout at Tobberbride on the N4/N17 junction, which will most likely involve a redesign. That and a roundabout at the termination of the DC in Castlebaldwin.

The grade seperated juntion would be aroud Drumfin somewhere to allow access to the Riverstown/Ballymote roads.

That's what I took from the tender anyways.

Yep, the planned junction is near Drumfin, around halfway along the scheme.

marno21 · 12-12-2017 8:24pm

Scheme to start in 2018:

http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/minister-ross-welcomes-over-€136m-funding-multiple-road-safety-schemes-and-road

FredFunk · 13-12-2017 11:42am

Sorry, new to this thread, will the scheme bypass Castlebaldwin?

BelfastVanMan · 13-12-2017 11:49am

FredFunk wrote: »

Sorry, new to this thread, will the scheme bypass Castlebaldwin?

Yes, it will. :-)

FredFunk · 13-12-2017 2:23pm

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Yes, it will. :-)

Thanks, that will a nice flow from Carrick onwards then.

BelfastVanMan · 13-12-2017 3:38pm

FredFunk wrote: »

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Yes, it will. :-)

Thanks, that will a nice flow from Carrick onwards then.

Absolutely. Be good when Carrick gets bypassed eventually..

Donegal Storm · 13-12-2017 10:50pm

Good to see this progressing, are there any plans to bypass Carrick or Newtonforbes in the pipeline?

They're the two main issues with the N4 once this scheme is built. There's also a tiny village with a zebra crossing who's name I forget, not a big bottleneck but a bit ridiculous that one of the main primary routes in the country has to give way to pedestrians

Redsoxfan · 13-12-2017 11:11pm

Donegal Storm wrote:

They're the two main issues with the N4 once this scheme is built. There's also a tiny village with a zebra crossing who's name I forget, not a big bottleneck but a bit ridiculous that one of the main primary routes in the country has to give way to pedestrians

Ballinalack?

L1011 · 13-12-2017 11:13pm

There needs to be significant effort on the N4 and N15 to work against any potential border risks - the existing roads within the state to Donegal are utterly insufficient.

This is the biggest safety risk and will also provide a decent improvement in guaranteed overtaking opportunities. Carrick BP and then schemes in Donegal are the next priorities.

discodaveirl · 14-12-2017 12:49am

L1011 wrote: »

There needs to be significant effort on the N4 and N15 to work against any potential border risks - the existing roads within the state to Donegal are utterly insufficient.

This is the biggest safety risk and will also provide a decent improvement in guaranteed overtaking opportunities. Carrick BP and then schemes in Donegal are the next priorities.

Theres about 25 km north of Sligo town thats way more important than Newtown Forbes. Carrick in fairness is a terrible bottleneck and if it wasnt for the expense involved in a crossing of the Shannon would have been completed years ago. Unfortunately our government hasnt the foresight to realise the possible implications of Brexit.. The day after they voted out we should have began planning this...

Donegal Storm · 07-06-2018 4:50pm

Design & Build tender issued today according to CIS. No mention of start date but presumably still on track for Q4

annfield1978 · 08-06-2018 8:43pm

D&B tender issued a few weeks ago, Tender Consultation Meetings ongoing. Award Stage should be September/ October

Kermit.de.frog · 09-06-2018 1:14am

I take it this scheme removes any possibility of an actual motorway between Dublin and Sligo?

N4 - Collooney to Castlebaldwin [open to traffic]

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