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N4 - Collooney to Castlebaldwin [open to traffic]

  • 20-12-2013 2:51am
    #1
    marmurr1916
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    The Irish Times is reporting that a high-accident section of the N4 between Collooney and Castlebaldwin in Co. Sligo is to be replaced by an almost 15km long dual-carriageway. The NRA has given the go-ahead to Sligo County Council to publish CPOs, prepare and EIS and submit a planning application.

    The Irish Times reports that the project could cost €60 million.
    A Co Sligo stretch of the main Dublin-Sligo road which is often described as the most dangerous section of roadway in the country on account of 30 deaths on it in recent years is set to be replaced by almost 15kms of dual carriageway.

    Campaigners who have erected 30 white crosses on the verges of the existing 12km stretch of road, each one marking the scene of a fatality, have welcomed the “major breakthrough”.

    Sligo County Council yesterday confirmed that it had submitted the N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin proposed road development to An Bord Pleanála for planning approval.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/perilous-stretch-of-sligo-road-to-be-replaced-by-15km-dual-carriageway-1.1633708
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  • #2
    Sir Arthur Daley
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    Long overdue solution here.


  • #3
    antoobrien
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    marmurr1916 wrote: »
    The Irish Times is reporting that a high-accident section of the N4 between Collooney and Castlebaldwin in Co. Sligo is to be replaced by an almost 15km long dual-carriageway. The NRA has given the go-ahead to Sligo County Council to publish CPOs, prepare and EIS and submit a planning application.

    The CPOs and route notices were in two full page ads in the Indo (tabloid version), the plans have been lodged with ABP so they should be there after next week (or more likely after christmas).

    Project website: http://www.sligococo.ie/n4/
    Project Description:
    The Proposed Road Developmentcomprises inter-alia:
    • 14.71km of Type 2 Dual Carriageway;
    • New side roads (including in some cases parallel links) and upgrading of existing roads;
    • One at-grade roundabout junction on the mainline;
    • One Compact Grade Separated Junction on the mainline;
    • Three at-grade roundabout junctions on side-roads;
    • Four road overbridges;
    • Six road underbridges;
    • Two river bridges;
    • Culverts and associated diversions of existing minor watercourses and drainage ditches;
    • All the necessary drainage works associated with the proposed road development;
    • The diversion of services and utilities;
    • Earthworks operations including the management of spoil generated by the proposed road development;
    • Environmental mitigation works;
    In order to provide access/egress from the local roads/dwellings along the online upgrade section a single carriageway parallel access road is proposed to the east of the existing N4 between Toberbride and Doorly. The access road connects to the eastern arm of the Toberbride Roundabout and the existing N4 at Doorly. The access road connects to the eastern arm of the Toberbride Roundabout and the existing N4 at Doorly. Dwellings on the western side of the N4 can access the parallel road via a proposed overbridge at Toberbride and a proposed underbridge at Doorly (via a further western parallel road).

    Map:
    Map2-550x575.jpg


  • #4
    mydiscworld
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    Unfortunately the road deaths are not published by road name or geographic areas. I don't think they want us knowing precisely what the worst stretches are

    Thread on it here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78339103


  • #5
    veryangryman
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    Good news. Those crosses alone give you that gut feeling when you hit this stretch. How long do these things typically take between this stage and construction (assuming all passes ok)


  • #6
    L1011
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    T2 DC is a downgrade from the original plan - which was some T1 then T2. Makes more sense with the lack of cash though.


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  • #7
    antoobrien
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    mydiscworld wrote: »
    Unfortunately the road deaths are not published by road name or geographic areas.

    The comment about deaths on the road is apparently a direct quote from the Sligo coroner.
    This follows a marathon campaign by the N4 Action Group which has drawn national attention to the stretch of road, dubbed “the most dangerous in the country” by Sligo coroner Dr Desmond Moran.


  • #8
    JupiterKid
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    This is a welcome upgrade. The sooner it proceeds the better. It will eliminate the last remaining sub-standard section of the N4 between Longford and Sligo.


  • #9
    Chris_5339762
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    This is a dreadful bit of road... only driven it twice but it sticks in the memory.


  • #10
    road_high
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    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    This is a dreadful bit of road... only driven it twice but it sticks in the memory.

    Same here. Felt like if you put a foot wrong you'd be out be out over a high ditch into the fields below.


  • #11
    Redsoxfan
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    MYOB wrote: »
    T2 DC is a downgrade from the original plan - which was some T1 then T2. Makes more sense with the lack of cash though.

    Is Rooskey -> Dromod T2?


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  • #12
    L1011
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    Redsoxfan wrote: »
    Is Rooskey -> Dromod T2?

    Yes. Perfectly fine for the traffic levels.


  • #13
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Anyone know all the sections on the N4 that are 2+2 once the motorway ends and which types 1 or 2.


  • #14
    L1011
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    After the motorway ends you've sort-of Type 1 DC retrofitted over an older DC for a bit, then the Type 1 Mullingar bypass, then nothing until Dromod/Roosky Bypass with is Type 2. From Colooney in is Type 1 and then through the town its urban DC until it stops being the N4.

    The intent was to fill all the gaps with a mix of T1 and T2 (including a decent amount of T2 overlaid on the existing single carriageway) but I'm fairly certain it'll all be T2 now.


  • #15
    Leonard Hofstadter
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    Could any of the existing Type 1 carriageway be reclassified to motorway and get a speed limit increase of 120 kph? Certainly the N4 dual carriageway into Sligo is as good as any motorway in the country and well deserves a 120 kph speed limit.


  • #16
    L1011
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    captainspeed wrote: »
    Could any of the existing Type 1 carriageway be reclassified to motorway and get a speed limit increase of 120 kph? Certainly the N4 dual carriageway into Sligo is as good as any motorway in the country and well deserves a 120 kph speed limit.

    That's the only section that could, the other section of T1 has private accesses (the Esso stations / Lidl).


  • #17
    Jamie2k9
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    captainspeed wrote: »
    Could any of the existing Type 1 carriageway be reclassified to motorway and get a speed limit increase of 120 kph? Certainly the N4 dual carriageway into Sligo is as good as any motorway in the country and well deserves a 120 kph speed limit.

    Local authorities have the power to apply 120 km/h speed limit to Type 1 dual carriageway if they wish provided its HQDC. The Ballincollig bypass N22/5 the section between M1 and A1 have it. Recent Type 1's build are motorway's without the regulations and cutting off access to land beside them.

    Have not travelled that N4 a lot but guessing the section near Sligo isn't overly new. I would love to see Waterford City bypass have higher speeds.


  • #18
    spacetweek
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    MYOB wrote: »
    T2 DC is a downgrade from the original plan - which was some T1 then T2. Makes more sense with the lack of cash though.
    This was originally to be T2 but I seem to recall that they then seemed to change their minds to single carriageway. The return to T2 is welcome!


  • #19
    L1011
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    This was originally to be T2 but I seem to recall that they then seemed to change their minds to single carriageway. The return to T2 is welcome!

    There was definitely a T1 element in an older set of proposals - NRA website has managed to erase most of the history on projects and the old one is unnavigable on the archive.


  • #20
    marno21
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    Tender has gone out today for detailed ground investigation:

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=97465&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders


  • #21
    marno21
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    I have been in contact with Sligo County Council about this scheme.

    They have informed me that fencing, archeological testing, service diversion, ground investigation and topological surveying are ongoing and are expected to be complete by 2017. Construction will begin in 2018 pending approval to proceed to the construction phase from TII.


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  • #22
    betistuc
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    marno21 wrote: »
    I have been in contact with Sligo County Council about this scheme.

    They have informed me that fencing, archeological testing, service diversion, ground investigation and topological surveying are ongoing and are expected to be complete by 2017. Construction will begin in 2018 pending approval to proceed to the construction phase from TII.


    Judas Priest!! That is painfully slow. I thought they would have had most of this done since the scheme was first proposed


  • #23
    spacetweek
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    betistuc wrote: »
    Judas Priest!! That is painfully slow. I thought they would have had most of this done since the scheme was first proposed

    Yea, it's a pity, but we are still very much ramping up spending and projects have been in limbo for years now. It isn't until 2018 that the really big road spending bump kicks in - 860 million budget compared to 650 now.


  • #24
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Yea, it's a pity, but we are still very much ramping up spending and projects have been in limbo for years now. It isn't until 2018 that the really big road spending bump kicks in - 860 million budget compared to 650 now.

    Over the next few years they should be making more funding available to make projects shovel ready so that they can then proceed to construction when money for the construction phase is available. I'm thinking of the other N4 upgrades & N17 schemes in relation to Sligo here.


  • #25
    marno21
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    Tender gone out today for house demolition along the route:

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=100853&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders


  • #26
    marno21
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    Tender for archaelogical services awarded today: https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rwlentrance_s.asp?PID=99090&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=2


  • #27
    Kevwoody
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Tender for archaelogical services awarded today: https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rwlentrance_s.asp?PID=99090&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=2



    Is that 1.3million just for the archeological work?


  • #28
    marno21
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    Kevwoody wrote: »
    Is that 1.3million just for the archeological work?
    It sure is.

    Work that should've been done ages ago.


  • #29
    Kevwoody
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    marno21 wrote: »
    It sure is.

    Work that should've been done ages ago.


    That's a ridiculous amount of money that could be better spent elsewhere, between that and paying consultants it's no wonder so many road projects never get going.


  • #30
    marno21
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    Kevwoody wrote: »
    That's a ridiculous amount of money that could be better spent elsewhere, between that and paying consultants it's no wonder so many road projects never get going.
    The archaeology has to be done and so do the consultancies.

    The issue is when they construe the above as actually doing the project, like the current shower do. As such, these schemes are moving at glacial pace, as these things have to be done one by one.

    If they had any desire to do so, this would be ready to start now, based on the announcement 11 months ago that funding had been allocated for the scheme (and the N5, M7, N8/N25/N40, N22, N56 and N59 schemes).


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  • #31
    marno21
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    http://www.sligococo.ie/media/CouncilDownloads/Roads/N4Hearing/Brief%20of%20Evidence_Sligo%20County%20Council_BS_FM.pdf

    Detailed document about the scheme here.

    Laybys will be provided every 2.5km due to the lack of hard shoulder, interestingly enough.


  • #32
    marno21
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    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=103753&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

    Tender has gone out today for engineering consultancy services for the tender and construction stages of this scheme.

    Likely now 2018 start.


  • #33
    marno21
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    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rwlentrance_s.asp?PID=107092&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1

    Tender out for topological survey along the route.


  • #34
    lucernarian
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    Will the planned route have any prohibitions on walking, cycling or very slow vehicles?

    Without hard shoulders, it seems unacceptably dangerous to allow vulnerable road users on it.


  • #35
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Will the planned route have any prohibitions on walking, cycling or very slow vehicles?

    Without hard shoulders, it seems unacceptably dangerous to allow vulnerable road users on it.

    The old road can be used for that...


  • #36
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,181 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Unless it's a motorway both roads will be used for that...

    A pedestrian was killed on the M50 last week. It doesn't matter what the designation is, people will do stupid things.


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  • #37
    BelfastVanMan
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    This is very true. Sadly...


  • #38
    lucernarian
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    Deedsie wrote: »
    Exactly, motorists, cyclists, pedestrians all do stupid things. Lucernarian commented that our national roads should have hard shoulders to protect vulnerable road users from people who do stupid things.

    Banishing cyclists to old roads is plain foolish, building proper roads suitable for everyone should be the policy.
    That isn't what I said, I was criticising vulnerable road users being allowed on the proposed road as things stand. I don't have an opinion on whether a hard shoulder should be built, an offline cycle route built alongside, or a ban on bikes and walking like for motorways if possible.

    I don't know the area well but I suspect the old road doesn't have much or any hard shoulder either.


  • #39
    Carawaystick
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    It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
    All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.


  • #40
    MayoSalmon
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
    All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.

    But with drastically reduced traffic volume does that road not become more adequate for use?!


  • #41
    Kevwoody
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    It says a lot about the mindset of the nra, when they want to buy land and build a new road for cars, but then say ah sher bikes( despite them being much more vulnerable) can use to old road we decided was inadequate to drive on....
    All new road schemes should have a high quality cycling and pedestrian route constructed as part of the scheme.


    The N86 realignment at Annascaul that was done in 2012 has cycle lanes and footpaths on each side.
    I drive that road on a regular basis and not once have I seen a cyclist use them. In fact, any cyclists I've seen use the road as the cycle lane is not "self cleaning " ie it has loose chippings.

    In an ideal world we would have someone to sweep and maintain cycle lanes, but we don't even have the money to build decent roads.


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  • #42
    Kevwoody
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    I think it's crazy to include cycle lanes and not have a hard shoulder, as per the N86 realignment. If your car breaks down, there is nowhere to go but stay on the road, as there is a grass verge between the cycle lane and road.
    Surely it would make more sense to have a hard shoulder, which cyclists, pedestrians and motorists can use, and there is no maintenance required?


  • #43
    marno21
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    Seeing as there are disconnected discussions taking place on the N2, N4 and N25 threads, here's a thread to discuss cyclist provisions on new national road schemes.

    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057694424/


  • #44
    marno21
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    Archaelogical findings from the scheme:

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/prehistoric-sites-found-along-new-n4-route-36019955.html


  • #45
    marno21
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    The N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin scheme has now gone to tender

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=121537&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders


  • #46
    roadmaster
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    " earthworks including soft ground and karst" i like that bit of the tender it will fun for the contractor


  • #47
    D Trent
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    In that link
    Which is the grade separated junction ?
    Is it where the Collooney/Ballygawley roundabout is?
    Or the roundabout for the N17 Tobercurry road?
    Also the two roundabouts in the tender will be located where ?


  • #48
    Bebo stunnah
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    D Trent wrote: »
    In that link
    Which is the grade separated junction ?
    Is it where the Collooney/Ballygawley roundabout is?
    Or the roundabout for the N17 Tobercurry road?
    Also the two roundabouts in the tender will be located where ?

    It looks like the only part of the existing N4 DC being touched is the roundabout at Tobberbride on the N4/N17 junction, which will most likely involve a redesign. That and a roundabout at the termination of the DC in Castlebaldwin.

    The grade seperated juntion would be aroud Drumfin somewhere to allow access to the Riverstown/Ballymote roads.

    That's what I took from the tender anyways.


  • #49
    marno21
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    Bebo stunnah wrote: »
    It looks like the only part of the existing N4 DC being touched is the roundabout at Tobberbride on the N4/N17 junction, which will most likely involve a redesign. That and a roundabout at the termination of the DC in Castlebaldwin.

    The grade seperated juntion would be aroud Drumfin somewhere to allow access to the Riverstown/Ballymote roads.

    That's what I took from the tender anyways.
    Yep, the planned junction is near Drumfin, around halfway along the scheme.


  • #50
    marno21
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    Scheme to start in 2018:

    http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/minister-ross-welcomes-over-€136m-funding-multiple-road-safety-schemes-and-road


  • #51
    FredFunk
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    Sorry, new to this thread, will the scheme bypass Castlebaldwin?


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