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Professor Moriarty · 12-01-2017 06:27PM

Venom wrote:

If this could get rid of the likes of Buzzfeed once and for all, it will be the greatest gift Trump could give the world

If this could get rid of Trump once and for all it will be the greatest gift Buzzfeed could give the world.

ebbsy · 12-01-2017 06:30PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

For what its worth, I am really enjoying Donald being on the receiving end of fake news... Let it continue; if it winds him up even better.

He still won't release his tax returns either the shifty bastard.

Also, why are people still talking about Clinton, the election is over.

Because she is a loser.

Hande hoche! · 12-01-2017 06:30PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If this could get rid of Trump once and for all it will be the greatest gift Buzzfeed could give the world.

President Pence?

ebbsy · 12-01-2017 06:32PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Venom wrote:

If this could get rid of the likes of Buzzfeed once and for all, it will be the greatest gift Trump could give the world

If this could get rid of Trump once and for all it will be the greatest gift Buzzfeed could give the world.

The greatest gift Buzzfeed could give the world is if they all threw themselves under a bus.

Imagine telling lies of that nature.

12-01-2017 06:34PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How do those prices compare to the cost of going to a&e with a minor injury or illness with no insurance?

We'll see how much the republicans side with him I suppose.

Same criticism could be applied to many of the other media outlets he spoke to. Fox news is like his personal PR firm.

Both end up in bankruptcy. They can't afford to use the insurance. $8,000 upfront.

It doesn't matter about Trump.. They will propose laws, enforce them and do what they like. Trump really is a non-issue clown in all of this debacle.

And listen to what Obama constantly says about Fox. He does it with more class but with more class comes more sincere and hard-hitting insults.

Professor Moriarty · 12-01-2017 06:35PM

Hande hoche! wrote:

President Pence?

Lesser of two evils.

Trent Houseboat · 12-01-2017 06:39PM

Venom wrote: »

Yeah getting into a shouting match at a press conference with the President of the United States is going to make the company you work for look great!

Yeah initiating a shouting match with a member of the press is going to make you look like you're not a strongman.

Why do people keep suggesting that the bar for everyone else is higher than it us for Trump?
"I mean if Meryl Street hadn't made a speech he wouldn't have had a tantrum like a toddler. Perfectly acceptable response for a person I keep saying us git to be president of the most powerful country"

InTheTrees · 12-01-2017 06:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Obamacare is an absolute disaster for so many Americans.. $500 premium per month with an $8000 deductible for regular Joes in some states in 2017.

ha ha. Obviously you never bought insurance under the old system.

But it'll be coming back within a few months.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 06:53PM

Hard to believe Jeb Bush was behind the intelligence report. He must have never forgave Donald for the primaries.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 07:05PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/moscow-rejects-report-donald-trump-ties-total-hoax-n705586

Does that put the CNN angle to bed then?

WinnyThePoo · 12-01-2017 07:15PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/moscow-rejects-report-donald-trump-ties-total-hoax-n705586

Does that put the CNN angle to bed then?

Nope

Igotadose · 12-01-2017 07:22PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/moscow-rejects-report-donald-trump-ties-total-hoax-n705586

Does that put the CNN angle to bed then?

Nothing posted here changes anything; Trump's out of line and should be
1) Supporting the US Intelligence community
2) Handling the press with respect and decorum.

Antagonizing the press (except Fox and Breitbart) might've gotten him votes, but it won't enable him to effectively run the country. If everything he says is met with skepticism, derision and lack of support, he'll never get majority support for anything. My expectation is the press'll get tougher on Congress, it's been long enough.

Trump acts like he's Putin's press secretary. Really sad Americans defend this guy, but he is the president, good or bad. It'd be great to see some good come from him, so far, he's a complete and utter failure. His "press conference" was a circus, arguing with a CNN reporter - really? That's the best you've got? Bringing in some lawyer to double-speak on emoluments? And the farce of the business 'wall.' (I did like that reference, it cracked me up.) The lawyer told the truth during that part of her presentation - it is all about preserving the Trump brand, being President is, sigh, trumped by preserving his business interests. Good to know who comes first with this patriot.

And I've been voting in US elections since Carter, never seen anything as bad as Trump. Really thought Reagan was the nadir, but he just start the rise of the incompetent into positions of power and made ignorant and uneducated o.k. in the US. Bush brought that to high art but it's something even worse with Trump.

Trump is the President to be. Good luck, Ireland, if he lowers the corporate tax and ends the J1 and all those things Irish benefit from. Really can't understand anyone from Ireland supporting this guy. Especially if through his bungling oil prices start to rise again, the TTIP doesn't happen and Ireland's economy craters.

Christy42 · 12-01-2017 07:25PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/moscow-rejects-report-donald-trump-ties-total-hoax-n705586

Does that put the CNN angle to bed then?

Certainly should have mentioned the Clinton foundation stuff as well though I guess she is less high profile. I am a little confused as to why they didn't at least given the Trump team the document. Still it is looking like CNN should not have run with the story. Note that it still isn't fake news except that it was provided in the meeting but I guess it was brought to the meeting in their defense so not a terrible mistake and was brought up with Trump.

Actually the article seems unclear about whether CNN had the information on the Clinton foundation.

I think it might have been commissioned while Jeb was still in the running btw.

PopePalpatine · 12-01-2017 07:39PM

david75 wrote: »

What can I ask is a libertard?

Someone who reads the liberal.ie or to do with Leo Sherlock or what?

A libertarian, maybe?

Grayson · 12-01-2017 07:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Threaten them? If this turns out to be false, Buzzfeed deserve and will be sued out of existence. CNN will get away with it but will be dead in a lot of people's eyes because of the clever way they reported it. Why should he put up with the same station that told viewers it was illegal to look at Wikileaks..? They are the definition of fake BS.

Buzzfeed said that this was a dossier that McCain had handed over to the FBI. They said there was no way they could verify anything in it. Buzzfeed did nothing wrong. They didn't write the dossier they just released it.
The guy who wrote it did some investigations and did it for a private company. He did nothing wrong.

It's worth noting that Trump fed of and promoted the fake view that Obama was a Kenyan, not American. That Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination. His transition team said the Clinton ran a secret paedophile ring in the basement of a restaurant that has no basement.

If you believe that buzzfeed should be sued for releasing a dossier that was already being reported on and saying that they have no way of knowing if it's true or not, then you should believe that Trump should be sued too.
If you believe that what Buzzfeed did was morally wrong and disqualifies them from being journalists then you should also believe that Trumps actions have disqualified him from the presidency.

A Little Pony · 12-01-2017 07:43PM

The Prophet Muhammad wrote: »

Whether you love Trump or hate him, one thing we can all be glad about is that evil old George Soros lost 1 billion dollars after election.

That is why a Trump victory is great. He defeated him and his cronies.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 07:47PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Actually the article seems unclear about whether CNN had the information on the Clinton foundation.

I think it might have been commissioned while Jeb was still in the running btw.

Yeah that would make sense about Jeb if it's true.

Not sure what the relevance of the CF stuff is.

HellSquirrel · 12-01-2017 07:47PM

Grayson wrote: »

Buzzfeed said that this was a dossier that McCain had handed over to the FBI. They said there was no way they could verify anything in it. Buzzfeed did nothing wrong. They didn't write the dossier they just released it.
The guy who wrote it did some investigations and did it for a private company. He did nothing wrong.

It's worth noting that Trump fed of and promoted the fake view that Obama was a Kenyan, not American. That Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination. His transition team said the Clinton ran a secret paedophile ring in the basement of a restaurant that has no basement.

If you believe that buzzfeed should be sued for releasing a dossier that was already being reported on and saying that they have no way of knowing if it's true or not, then you should believe that Trump should be sued too.
If you believe that what Buzzfeed did was morally wrong and disqualifies them from being journalists then you should also believe that Trumps actions have disqualified him from the presidency.

I don't think that CNN did anything wrong. They did not publish it because they didn't know how much of it was true. But they reported that it was out there because it is and it is news. Unless I missed something, I don't quite know why Trump has decided they're the demons in this ridiculous mess.

I don't agree with buzzfeed publishing it, although I take into consideration that it's Buzzfeed and not something that people take particularly seriously.

Been at work all day, so missed some things - Jeb Bush was the one that commissioned the opposition research that lead to this report?

Grayson · 12-01-2017 07:48PM

Here's an interesting bio of the guy who reportedly created the dossier.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 07:53PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

That is why a Trump victory is great. He defeated him and his cronies.

I don't really buy into the Soros evil world leader stuff anymore. He seems dodgy though, some stuff was leaked of him directing the state department foreign policy in Albania.

They'll probably be something else come out before the 20th, this election has been crazy.

I'd still be somewhat fearful about the report, it showed some level of authenticity with Trumps lawyer even though it was a different person with the same name. It would be really strange if they just blatantly made up the hooker story, but who knows what hands the report ended up in.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 08:11PM

Grayson wrote: »

Here's an interesting bio of the guy who reportedly created the dossier.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author

Interesting article.

Part below sort of throws my suspicions down though, he was relying on second or third hand information. It will probably be close to impossible to prove anything within the report given that the media have had it for months now and could verify none of it. They would have been chomping at the bit to get Trump.

"It is unlikely that Steele would have had direct contact with the unnamed Kremlin officials who allegedly gave sensitive information on the president-elect. In fact, it’s believed the former spy hasn’t been able to visit Russia for more than 20 years."

Grayson · 12-01-2017 08:16PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Interesting article.

Part below sort of throws my suspicions down though, he was relying on second or third hand information. It will probably be close to impossible to prove anything within the report given that the media have had it for months now and could verify none of it. They would have been chomping at the bit to get Trump.

"It is unlikely that Steele would have had direct contact with the unnamed Kremlin officials who allegedly gave sensitive information on the president-elect. In fact, it’s believed the former spy hasn’t been able to visit Russia for more than 20 years."

I mentioned it pages back but a lot of the stuff in the dossier is on the same level as the story of Cameron and the pigs head.

I'd imagine the guy collected everything he could find and threw it into the dossier. He would have told his clients that a lot is just plain rumour.

Thing is that it's not beyond belief to think that Trump was fed information by the FSB. His team might not even know who the information came from.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 08:32PM

I can't imagine Sex parts being true, if they were Trump wouldn't have gone gung ho on the media like he did and his insiders would have formulated a plan for possible damage limitation. It's possible he was duped by intel like you said.

If something does come out he's set himself up for the biggest backlash of all time.

BabyCheeses · 12-01-2017 08:34PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I can't imagine Sex parts being true, if they were Trump wouldn't have gone gung ho on the media like he did and his insiders would have formulated a plan for possible damage limitation.

If something does come out he's set himself up for the biggest backlash of all time.

Only if someone pinned him down before he could get to the phone first. This is Trump, he doesn't do damage limitation.

Hank Scorpio · 12-01-2017 08:39PM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Only if someone pinned him down before he could get to the phone first. This is Trump, he doesn't do damage limitation.

Probably

. Attacking the media even if the report is bogus isn't the wisest move. It motivates them to find dirt, or in the future encourage them to attack him more viciously when inevitable mistakes are made.

Christy42 · 12-01-2017 08:47PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Probably . Attacking the media even if the report is bogus isn't the wisest move. It motivates them to find dirt, or in the future encourage them to attack him more viciously when inevitable mistakes are made.

Indeed. I noticed a rash of stories from him back peddling on Russia, denying his lack of involvement with Russia (any involvement including legitimate as he denied any) and an aide who seems to have plagiarised a massive amount. Granted if he let's the aide go fairly sharpish doesn't massively reflect on him and that story had to be in the works for a while with the amount they found. Still it is a lot of anti Trump stories going up in quick succession.

Grayson · 12-01-2017 08:56PM

The thing about Trump is that he feeds off publicity. Even when it's negative. Every week or two for the last two years we've had a twitter outburst or him saying something. He runs his campaign/life like a reality show. There's always something new to keep the attention on him. And if you get too involved in it and it looks like it's going bad, he does something new so the media drop the last story and move on.
I used to think it was a tactic but I've begun to believe it might just be him.

There's a tiny part of me that thinks he might have leaked the dossier. Throw out some crap that can be dismissed just so that the media stop looking at the senate confirmation hearings. I don't really believe it but if it turned out to be true I wouldn't be surprised.

Dave_The_Sheep · 12-01-2017 09:00PM

The White House correspondent's dinner is going to be ... interesting ... this year.

Especially given the roasthing Trump has gotten before there. Now he'll be up top.

PopePalpatine · 12-01-2017 09:02PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The White House correspondent's dinner is going to be ... interesting ... this year.

Especially given the roasthing Trump has gotten before there. Now he'll be up top.

I honestly won't be surprised if he finds a liberal female journalist in the audience who's a size 10/12 and just fire fat-shaming jokes at her.

Professor Moriarty · 12-01-2017 09:08PM

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Probably . Attacking the media even if the report is bogus isn't the wisest move. It motivates them to find dirt, or in the future encourage them to attack him more viciously when inevitable mistakes are made.

A bigger mistake is to alienate your intelligence services. There is no doubt they will have collected dirt on Trump over the years.

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