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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #422
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Would not be a surprise if Ivanka Trump is first female president. It's she who is going to help Donald, it's she who is moving to Washington.
    IN 8 years it will be her running to keep the Dynasty in power.


  • #423
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    david75 wrote: »
    Fox coming to CNNs defence. Didn't see that coming
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/819306390888075265
    The press corp should have all just walked out after how Trump treated their colleague.
    Its CNN today but which one tomorrow?


  • #424
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    The press corp should have all just walked out after how Trump treated their colleague.
    Its CNN today but which one tomorrow?

    Trump's insults will continue until compliance improves. Maybe it's something he learned from his buddy Vladimir.


  • #425
    learn_more
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    david75 wrote: »
    Fox coming to CNNs defence. Didn't see that coming
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/819306390888075265

    That is bizarre. Fox news coming to CNN's defence. What's gonna happen next.

    Anyway, I am not a Trump supporter and I think this news story is a load of hogwash.

    As far as the sexual aspect is concerned, even if it were true, in respect of any politician both here in Ireland, the UK , US and elsewhere, to think that Trump is the only person who was ever been involved in sexually perverse acts it a notion that could not possibly be true.

    If Russia really has historical info on Trumps sexual predilections, who wasn't a politician at the time, then you would think they would have even more salacious sexual surveillance data on other senior politicians and I haven't seen any such data been exposed on wikileaks or in the general media.

    I don't think the CIA or the FBI consider Trump someone they want to work with which is why I'm really suspicious about this story.


  • #426
    Clarebelly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 250 ✭✭Clarebelly


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    The press corp should have all just walked out after how Trump treated their colleague.
    Its CNN today but which one tomorrow?

    Probably buzzfeed.......... ;)


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  • #427
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    learn_more wrote: »
    That is bizarre. Fox news coming to CNN's defence. What's gonna happen next.

    Anyway, I am not a Trump supporter and I think this news story is a load of hogwash.

    As far as the sexual aspect is concerned, even if it were true, in respect of any politician both here in Ireland, the UK , US and elsewhere, to think that Trump is the only person who was ever been involved in sexually perverse acts it a notion that could not possibly be true.

    If Russia really has historical info on Trumps sexual predilections, who wasn't a politician at the time, then you would think they would have even more salacious sexual surveillance data on other senior politicians and I haven't seen any such data been exposed on wikileaks or in the general media.

    I don't think the CIA or the FBI consider Trump someone they want to work with which is why I'm really suspicious about this story.

    Trump isn't fit to serve as POTUS, simple as. Both the CIA and FBI, and probably all other agencies know it too. This forthcoming period, will be one of the most embarrassing period in the history of the United States.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #428
    midnight city
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭midnight city


    Trump owes CNN nothing they have been spinning against him for ages, he was dead right.


  • #429
    learn_more
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    Trump isn't fit to serve as POTUS, simple as. Both the CIA and FBI, and probably all other agencies know it too. This forthcoming period, will be one of the most embarrassing period in the history of the United States.

    Sure that could be true. In which case let him just hang himself, be impeached for whatever, if he is that bad. Forcing it is by presenting spurious allegations is a different thing altogether.
    midnight city wrote: »
    Trump owes CNN nothing they have been spinning against him for ages, he was dead right.

    I watched CNN over the election and I can't agree with that. CNN don't just report the news but they had discussion sessions on the election every night where I saw they discussed both issues on both sides. I think they discussed Trump more than they did HC, and Trump had his defenders on those shows.


  • #430
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    midnight city wrote: »
    Trump owes CNN nothing they have been spinning against him for ages, he was dead right.

    Why do you hate free speech?
    midnight city wrote: »
    Left wing authoritarians are making an attempt to take over almost every facet of society. If you disagree with them they will shut you down if they can. I have my issues with the alt right but they are the only ones really fighting back against the authoritarian left.


  • #431
    Skiddylicker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Skiddylicker


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Why do you hate free speech?

    Where on earth did you pull the idea that this poster hates free speech?


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  • #432
    refusetolose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    midnight city wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks he mocked a disabled reporter needs to look at this video from 6.15 to 6.45

    are you saying he didn't mock the reporter?


  • #433
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Skiddylicker wrote: »
    Where on earth did you pull the idea that this poster hates free speech?

    They think a politician should ignore members of the press for practicing their free speech.

    If it was someone who said something negative about immigration being ignored the same people would be whining about the authoritarian left. Suddenly with Trump it is ok. You might get away with it in the safe spaces but you aren't dealing with the usual retards outside of there.


  • #434
    Skiddylicker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Skiddylicker


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    They think a politician should ignore members of the press for practicing their free speech.

    If it was someone who said something negative about immigration being ignored the same people would be whining about the authoritarian left. Suddenly with Trump it is ok. You might get away with it in the safe spaces but you aren't dealing with the usual retards outside of there.

    But he never stated a politician should ignore anyone. You are putting words in this posters mouth to create an argument for yourself to debate.

    Free speech is a great thing and I am very grateful to have it.
    Thing is though, if someone slanders me for 2 years straight and consistently publishes false stories about me I would be less inclined to give that person my time. That's not hating on free speech, that's using it too.


  • #435
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Skiddylicker wrote: »
    But he never stated a politician should ignore anyone. You are putting words in this posters mouth to create an argument for yourself to debate.

    Free speech is a great thing and I am very grateful to have it.
    Thing is though, if someone slanders me for 2 years straight and consistently publishes false stories about me I would be less inclined to give that person my time. That's not hating on free speech, that's using it too.

    If you are so thin skinned I recommend not becoming the president of the United States. As the president people are going to say things about you, some might go as far as demanding you show your birth certificate!

    Suddenly the non PC straight talking candidate is against being non PC.


  • #436
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Skiddylicker wrote: »
    But he never stated a politician should ignore anyone. You are putting words in this posters mouth to create an argument for yourself to debate.

    Free speech is a great thing and I am very grateful to have it.
    Thing is though, if someone slanders me for 2 years straight and consistently publishes false stories about me I would be less inclined to give that person my time. That's not hating on free speech, that's using it too.



    I'm seeing this a lot.
    People trying to say trump didn't say this or that it's fake news.

    We actually all have seen the footage of him saying all this stuff. All of it.
    Nobody's making anything up. I'd worry for anyone trying to convince themselves or anyone else that its media out to get him with fake stories.

    It's all out of his own mouth. He actually said all of it. And yes he impersonated a disabled person and insulted them. We didn't have a mass f*ckin delusion like


  • #437
    Skiddylicker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Skiddylicker


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    If you are so thin skinned I recommend not becoming the president of the United States. As the president people are going to say things about you, some might go as far as demanding you show your birth certificate!

    Suddenly the non PC straight talking candidate is against being non PC.
    "Suddenly the non PC straight talking candidate is against being non "

    Where on Earth did you pull this conclusion from. I am genuinely flabbergasted as how your thought process led to this. Seems your hatred of Trump is stopping you from thinking critically and you are just blindly shouting wild accusations.

    To me, Trump is thick skinned, he just really couldn't give a crap about CNN right now. They serve him no merit and one would imagine that chap is probably under a tab bit of pressure. That doesn't give him reason to deny them all future questions but the chap is human like me and you, we all tell people to sod off now and again.


  • #438
    Skiddylicker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Skiddylicker


    I would recommend watching the video the user here posted a few pages back. Yes it's Gavin Mcinnes reporting it who obviously has a bias but he does show that Trump does that exact same motion when talking about other people and even himself. He's been doing that motion too a long time before that reporter ever even wrote an article about him.


  • #439
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    david75 wrote: »
    I'm seeing this a lot.
    People trying to say trump didn't say this or that it's fake news.

    We actually all have seen the footage of him saying all this stuff. All of it.
    Nobody's making anything up. I'd worry for anyone trying to convince themselves or fishes that its media out to get him with fake stories.

    It's all out of his own mouth. He actually said all of it. And yes he impersonated a disabled person and insulted them. We didn't have a mass f*ckin delusion like

    If it was just reporting with a left bias, then fine. CNN and others were exposed by Wikileaks to be massively colluding with HRC's campaign. DNC editing news articles before they published, giving HRC debate questions, writing questions for CNN "journalists" to ask Trump and others like Cruz live on air. The collusion exposed is endless.

    When people seen the collusion trying to get one candidate elected, it created this mentality. Only have themselves to blame. It wasn't honest journalism - the MSM were acting like shills for the DNC.


  • #440
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Skiddylicker wrote: »
    "Suddenly the non PC straight talking candidate is against being non "

    Where on Earth did you pull this conclusion from. I am genuinely flabbergasted as how your thought process led to this. Seems your hatred of Trump is stopping you from thinking critically and you are just blindly shouting wild accusations.

    To me, Trump is thick skinned, he just really couldn't give a crap about CNN right now. They serve him no merit and one would imagine that chap is probably under a tab bit of pressure. That doesn't give him reason to deny them all future questions but the chap is human like me and you, we all tell people to sod off now and again.
    It isnt complex, Trump had support for not being politically correct. Now you have to watch what you say to him. I can draw a picture if this is still a difficult concept to grasp, it requires remembering something about Trump beyond his last position he decided to take at the time. When has he ever shown signs of having thick skin? He runs to twitter like a teenage girl whenever somebody hurts his feelings.


    Me and you aren't president of the United States. In the past that person was generally held to a higher standard than other people.


  • #441
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Not all trump supports are racists homophobes or anti Muslim. But the one thing they all have in common and in common with him is serious self delusion.


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  • #442
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    david75 wrote: »
    Not all trump supports are racists homophobes or anti Muslim. But the one thing they all have in common and in common with him is serious self delusion.

    Grand.

    Care to reply to my post about the exposed media collusion?

    It wasn't just Trumps words as you claim.


  • #443
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Grand.

    Care to reply to my post about the exposed media collusion?

    It wasn't just Trumps words as you claim.



    It's not collusion. Various outlets in fact the majority of media reported what was happening. The mans a dangerous idiot with sociopathic tendencies. Nobody doctored or edited or assembled words to put in his mouth and made him out to be these things. He did that himself. It's medias job to report. They reported what they saw and heard. That not collusion. That's reporting what happened.

    Fox probably colluded with trumps staff a lot. In fact they did. Conways constant and ongoing 'here's what Donald *meant* to say and fox reporting that instead of what was actually happening. That's collusion.


  • #444
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    david75 wrote: »
    Not all trump supports are racists homophobes or anti Muslim. But the one thing they all have in common and in common with him is serious self delusion.

    In theory doesn't everyone everywhere who supports a politician have self delusion. You need look no further than your own local election for evidence of this.

    There are still people in this country who think the sun shines out of the ass of Ahearn,Haughey,etc.


  • #445
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    david75 wrote: »
    It's not collusion. Various outlets in fact the majority of media reported what was happening. The mans a dangerous idiot with sociopathic tendencies. Nobody doctored or edited or assembled words to put in his mouth and made him out to be these things. He did that himself. It's medias job to report. They reported what they saw and heard. That not collusion. That's reporting what happened.

    Fox probably colluded with trumps staff a lot. In fact they did. Conways constant and ongoing 'here's what Donald *meant* to say and fox reporting that instead of what was actually happening. That's collusion.

    So editing and constructing news papers articles ( some of which were for Sanders ) , leaking questions before a public debate so one candidate gains an advantage, and a political party writing questions for hacks to read off a prompter is not what you'd call collusion?

    Sorry but that is collusion, and it makes your cries about Trump supporters being deluded irrational. You clearly have not looked at the document releases detailing what went on behind the scenes. You are trying to make out Kellyanne Conway doing her job is the same thing, it's not.

    Let me ask you, if it wasn't collusion, why were people like Donna Brazile fired from CNN?

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/donna-brazile-fired-cnn-contributor/


  • #446
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Since David called all Trump supporters deluded and didn't respond to my question I'll carry on! Below is a partial list of examples of colluding with the DNC during the election. It's not a list of friendly banter back and fourth, it's a list of people who were conspiring with the DNC to mould publications into a favorable manner to benefit one campaign. That is not independent or fair journalism. This thought that Trump's own words solely created this backlash is unfounded and slanderous. People read the emails and seen what was going on, hence the backlash on the term "fake news". On top of that emails show the media heads of NBC/CNN/NYT and so on would regularly have private dinners throughout the campaign with the Clinton campaign to strategize on how to get her elected.

    Trump questions for CNN Wolf Blitzer https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25846 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673
    CNN looking for questions on Ted Cruz https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/23554
    Clinton Staff hosts private “off-the-record cocktail party” with 38 “influential” reporters, journalists, editors, and anchors (from 16 different mainstream media outlets including CNN, NBC, CBS, NYT, MSNBC, & more) with the stated goal of “framing the race”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953 (see attachment)
    John Podesta hosts a dinner with reporters: I’m “Cooking for 30 of your reporter friends”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4543#efmAAGABu Full list of media guests: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12063
    Donna Brazile (CNN contributor at the time, and current DNC Chairman now) leaked a CNN town hall question to Hillary’s staff: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205#efmAD-AMa
    Fox News leaked Town Hall question to Clinton campaign: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21526#efmAJiAOE
    Hillary Clinton reads directly from script during Phone Interview with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4274#efmAEcAWc Video: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786158412119707648
    Clinton campaign and the New York Times coordinating attack strategy against Trump: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4664
    New York Times reporter Mark Leibovich gives Hillary veto power: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213#efmDV1DWd
    Glen Thrush, POLITICO's chief political correspondent and senior staff writer for POLITICO Magazine, sends John Podesta an article for his approval. Writes: "Please don't share or tell anyone I did this. Tell me if I ****ed up anything": https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12681#efmAByAEV
    Boston Globe colludes with Clinton campaign to give Hillary a “big presence”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4180#efmAJhALE
    John Podesta receiving drafts of New York Times articles before they’re published: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844
    Ad for Hillary Clinton secretly pitched by ‘right-leaning’ Heat Street ‘journalist’ Louise Mensch: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5740#efmAMvAUe
    More media collusion: NYT and AP “helpful” to Clinton campaign: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5502
    Brent Budowsky (writer for The Hill and Huffington Post) warns John Podesta about possible Hillary attacks and that not talking to the press is killing her support: “I’m not going to raise this publicly, but..”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6453#efmARBAUVAVJAXBAfNAhWAkaAl4
    Huffington Post contributor Frank Islam writes to John Podesta in email titled “My blogs in the Huffington Post”, says “I am committed to make sure she is elected the next president.” “Please let me know if I can be of any service to you”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5988#efmADmAE6AF-AG1
    Clinton staff “Placing a story” with Politico / New York Times: “place a story with a friendly journalist” “we have a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico” “we should shape likely leaks in the best light for HRC”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524#efmA14A2IA3AA36A9fA-kA-6BAICwpCx4
    Clinton staff “placing a story with a friendly at the AP (Matt Lee or Bradley Klapper)”: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9272#efmBKsBMU
    MSNBC's Meet The Press host and Political Director for NBC News, Chuck Todd, hosted a dinner party in 2015 for Clinton Campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/13686
    Leading pro-Hillary personalities Jessica Valenti, Jamil Smith, and Sady Doyle "worked with" the campaign: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/18566
    Clinton staff appearing to control the release times of Associated Press articles: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460
    Clinton staff colluding with New York Times and Wall Street Journal to paint Hillary’s economic policies in a “progressive” light: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9007#efmAcTAdS
    CNBC panelist colluding with John Podesta on what to ask Trump when he calls in for an interview: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710#efmAakAd6AjgAlR
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  • #447
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Donald Trump is a giant poopy person.


  • #448
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,710 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Since David called all Trump supporters deluded and didn't respond to my question I'll carry on!

    I miss the old forum too, tovarisch. Anyway, here's the salient point never mind the blacklist you've gotten from Breitbart:
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    This thought that Trump's own words solely created this backlash is unfounded and slanderous.

    Unfounded? Trump started his campaign attacking the media and even incited physical violence against them. Repeatedly. Now, in his first press conference he attacks an audience member (from CNN) and openly refuses to take questions from him. Every news org has gotten some vindictive tweet from him.

    He's the President-elect. His duty will be to protect the First amendment rights guaranteed in the constitution. If he's not tough enough for the job (which to me is blatantly obvious), it's going to be a disastrous 4 years. He'll need to work with the press. Unless of course you're advocating for a state-run and censored press? Yer man Putin's all over that.

    As for the big bad media colluding against him, what does that matter to his duties as President? You're o.k. with him having vendettas against most of the media? We aren't supposed to believe what we repeatedly see and hear him do because... media?

    I mean really, tovarisch, we were over and over this on the other thread. Trump won. Hillary's out of the picture. The President should be able to run a press conference and calmly answer questions.

    Not this arseclown, though, and poll and job results are already showing his impact, and he's not been confirmed yet.

    Good luck USA, 4 years of disaster coming.


  • #449
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Very easy to search the Wikileaks database to find the emails, try it instead of shouting Breitbart when I bring it up. I've read them and I know they are there.

    I did not say Trump is completely free of the fake news back lash if you read what I said. I said the emails exposed were the major reason for peoples distrust in the media.


  • #450
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,710 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Very easy to search the Wikileaks database to find the emails, try it instead of shouting Breitbart when I bring it up. I've read them and I know they are there.

    I did not say Trump is completely free of the fake news back lash if you read what I said. I said the emails exposed were the major reason for peoples distrust in the media.

    And to clarify - he's the President now. If he's going to be anything other than an epic disaster, he needs to work with the media that perhaps people distrust (perhaps not, that's a matter of opinion polls I suppose). Attacking a major reliable news network like CNN and then childishly refusing to take further questions, doesn't inspire confidence.

    Presidents have to work with people they hate. Lots of people hate the US and its President. It goes with the job.

    Every president has issues with the media. Fox news versus Obama is obviously one example, yet, he never refused questions from their reporters.
    Bush and CNN weren't exactly buddies, either.

    Should he have taken a question from the CNN reporter? I'm pinning you down right now on this one - he should have, in my opinion. What do you think?


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  • #451
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    dudara wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    You carry on letting them brainwash you with propaganda. I certainly will not be taking the word of these establishments. What is annoying is having to pay for it (BBC).

    I don't think you truly understand what propaganda is. Otherwise you wouldn't using the word in such a casual manner.
    The best propaganda is when people don't realize it. People should not just eat up any sh*t the BBC throw at them. I should not have to pay for it. It should be an option.


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