Dairy chit chat II

kowtow · 09-01-2017 03:30PM

I know there was a thread on them a year or two back but does anyone still have (and use) one of those drill powered lime spreaders for cubicles? Are they worth having?

I know Vink make one - ideally I'm looking for somewhere I can go and buy one in store rather than mail order. I'm pretty sure the Carbery co-ops don't have them but I wonder does dairygold (or anywhere else on the way to Limerick as I have to go tomorrow anyway)...

Timmaay · 09-01-2017 06:52PM

Connacht agri

kowtow · 09-01-2017 07:36PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Connacht agri

They don't have a store between Cork and Limerick do they?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-01-2017 07:39PM

kowtow wrote: »

They don't have a store between Cork and Limerick do they?

Online only afaik.

Water John · 09-01-2017 10:07PM

Check in Mallow Superstores. Its just off to the right at the 1st roundabout. Little time lost.

Timmaay · 10-01-2017 03:30PM

Any of yas winter milkers tempted to throw open the gate and get in some early season grazing? Well tempted to now while ground conditions are still good.

whelan2 · 10-01-2017 03:33PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Any of yas winter milkers tempted to throw open the gate and get in some early season grazing? Well tempted to now while ground conditions are still good.

I'll give them life jackets on the way out the gate

thisyear · 10-01-2017 03:39PM

Lads, apologies I don't post much, avid reader though! was talking to AI rep earlier and he mentioned the LIC contracts. I haven't used LIC in a couple of years but always like the option! He wasn't being pushy at all to be fair but he knows I have bought stuff in the past. he was saying to make sure to take legal advice before signing as some of the clauses outside of the genetics were extreme including LIC were taking no responsibility for dodgy product including if negligence on their behalf is involved! Anybody seen one of these yet and are you going to sign?

yewtree · 10-01-2017 03:59PM

thisyear wrote: »

Lads, apologies I don't post much, avid reader though! was talking to AI rep earlier and he mentioned the LIC contracts. I haven't used LIC in a couple of years but always like the option! He wasn't being pushy at all to be fair but he knows I have bought stuff in the past. he was saying to make sure to take legal advice before signing as some of the clauses outside of the genetics were extreme including LIC were taking no responsibility for dodgy product including if negligence on their behalf is involved! Anybody seen one of these yet and are you going to sign?

I hadn't heard any of the stuff outside the genetics, and I haven't seen a contract
Don't think its a good idea to give one company control of your genetics or for dairy industry in general.
I used some of their bulls in the past and was happy with them, at the minute they are expensive and I think the Irish genetics are just as good. They have a loyal enough following so it will be interesting to see will it affect their sales

thisyear · 10-01-2017 04:07PM

yewtree wrote: »

I hadn't heard any of the stuff outside the genetics, and I haven't seen a contract
Don't think its a good idea to give one company control of your genetics or for dairy industry in general.
I used some of their bulls in the past and was happy with them, at the minute they are expensive and I think the Irish genetics are just as good. They have a loyal enough following so it will be interesting to see will it affect their sales

The rep said the genetics bit is very restrictive and even includes something about you cant sell heifers without their permission. He said even if you were mad about LIC and didn't use anything else get legal advice. He was pushing the get advice piece as he thinks even if you use the product without signing you could be in bother. Theres things like taking charges against land and you must indemnify against LIC taking a case against you and stuff like that.

Mooooo · 10-01-2017 05:19PM

There are enough things taken off farmers without the rights of the results of our own breeding choices being taken as well so won't be buying off them if contract is required. Have bought of them in the past only a small amount though. Will definitely prevent them gaining any market share if not reduce what they have already.

Mooooo · 10-01-2017 05:46PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Any of yas winter milkers tempted to throw open the gate and get in some early season grazing? Well tempted to now while ground conditions are still good.

No will wait till Feb, could be cold for rest of month with zero growth so could end up bring in and out for longer iykwim. May as well keep diet consistent for next month as well. Ground is soft enough here anyway had a good drop of rain the last 2 weeks in heavy bursts and overnight

GrasstoMilk · 10-01-2017 06:46PM

Anyone know where you can get those smoke bombs to test ventilation?

ted_182 · 10-01-2017 08:04PM

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Anyone know where you can get those smoke bombs to test ventilation?

Don't know about smoke bombs but it say if you just lit a fist of straw it would do the trick

jack o shea · 10-01-2017 08:23PM

Did a batch for rotavirus today, does everyone try get it into the kneck, how do you know if it's in the muscle? I just did it in the hind quarter in the wind up.could I have done it wrong?

Keepgrowing · 10-01-2017 10:27PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone know where you can get those smoke bombs to test ventilation?

Light a little turf fire in shed

Keepgrowing · 10-01-2017 10:29PM

Mooooo wrote: »

There are enough things taken off farmers without the rights of the results of our own breeding choices being taken as well so won't be buying off them if contract is required. Have bought of them in the past only a small amount though. Will definitely prevent them gaining any market share if not reduce what they have already.

But 100% of our straws from LIC. Not happy with contract but will read before I decide what we're doing. It's unlikely we'll continue doing business with them, pity really

whelan2 · 10-01-2017 10:36PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Did a batch for rotavirus today, does everyone try get it into the kneck, how do you know if it's in the muscle? I just did it in the hind quarter in the wind up.could I have done it wrong?

Do them all in the neck here.Works grand

greysides · 10-01-2017 10:44PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Did a batch for rotavirus today, does everyone try get it into the kneck, how do you know if it's in the muscle? I just did it in the hind quarter in the wind up.could I have done it wrong?

This excerpt from the datasheet is well worth noting. Self-injection CAN occur and the results are not to be taken lightly!

Operator warnings
To the user:
This product contains mineral oil. Accidental injection/self injection may result in severe pain and swelling, particularly if injected into a joint or finger, and in rare cases could result in the loss of the affected finger if prompt medical attention is not given.
If you are accidentally injected with this product, seek prompt medical advice even if only a very small amount is injected and take the package leaflet with you.
If pain persists for more than 12 hours after medical examination, seek medical advice again.

To the doctor:
This product contains mineral oil. Even if small amounts have been injected, accidental injection with this product can cause intense swelling, which may, for example, result in ischaemic necrosis and even the loss of a digit. Expert, PROMPT, surgical attention is required and may necessitate early incision and irrigation of the injected area, especially where there is involvement of finger pulp or tendon.

jack o shea · 10-01-2017 11:40PM

Whelan do you have an exact spot that you favour? I'm nervous around the kneck a specially if a tb test in near future, a lot easier do the hind ain't it?

blackdog1 · 11-01-2017 12:35AM

Timmaay wrote:

Any of yas winter milkers tempted to throw open the gate and get in some early season grazing? Well tempted to now while ground conditions are still good.

I put them out for half a day 2 weeks ago as I disenfected the cubicles very strong and wanted it to soak for 5 hrs. Might do it again next week but not really tempted to put them out until there is good growth. Of the weather stays fine I'll put cows who are calving out though.

pedigree 6 · 11-01-2017 01:10AM

Graze it to phluck.
Before it turns yellow and disappears on ya.:D

We haven't got these forecast conditions yet.

Still maybe the ground will freeze hard and everyone will get their slurry spread.

It's a pity though if this weather does materialize it was turning into the earliest spring ever with grass growth here.
Just have to wait and see.

whelan2 · 11-01-2017 09:53AM

jack o shea wrote: »

Whelan do you have an exact spot that you favour? I'm nervous around the kneck a specially if a tb test in near future, a lot easier do the hind ain't it?

Next time the vet is out ask them to show you. Do 95% of them in the neck here, vet will see lump from injection when testing. Where he injects them is normally nowhere near where I have injected them

Mooooo · 11-01-2017 12:02PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

But 100% of our straws from LIC. Not happy with contract but will read before I decide what we're doing. It's unlikely we'll continue doing business with them, pity really

This will test them, regular customers saying no. Could counter on them signing a contract that they can't use any animal from a decendant of your herd without a nice royalty ha. May ring em up just to get a look at it

freedominacup · 11-01-2017 01:35PM

Bit of a bright young thing elected dairy chair in Waterford last night. Degree educated, articulate and well spoken, mid thirties, running 200 cows in partnership with his brother. "Well borrowed" by his own admission. Newly married also. Be interesting to see if/when he makes an impression nationally. We have a reasonable record with national dairy chairmen in Waterford and he wouldn't have to travel to far to get advice about the machinations in bluebell.

thisyear · 11-01-2017 01:49PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

But 100% of our straws from LIC. Not happy with contract but will read before I decide what we're doing. It's unlikely we'll continue doing business with them, pity really

Mooooo wrote: »

This will test them, regular customers saying no. Could counter on them signing a contract that they can't use any animal from a decendant of your herd without a nice royalty ha. May ring em up just to get a look at it

It seems poor form, was talking to a lad last night that was saying the contract covers LIC and its subsideries, so Eurogene is probably covered by it as well

yewtree · 11-01-2017 03:26PM

Anyone calving cows on Woodchip indoors? Straw is fairly scare and dear around here have a 4 bay loose shed that usually bed with straw and allow cows calf in groups.
Was thinking of using woodchip this year, good/bad idea?

Keepgrowing · 11-01-2017 03:34PM

Mooooo wrote: »

This will test them, regular customers saying no. Could counter on them signing a contract that they can't use any animal from a decendant of your herd without a nice royalty ha. May ring em up just to get a look at it

Thought of that and said "why bother my hole?"

farmerjj · 11-01-2017 03:41PM

yewtree wrote: »

Anyone calving cows on Woodchip indoors? Straw is fairly scare and dear around here have a 4 bay loose shed that usually bed with straw and allow cows calf in groups.
Was thinking of using woodchip this year, good/bad idea?

There was a bit on rare breeds last night about cows on straw and peat(I think) bedding and the woman seemed very happy with the results the peat seemed to help soak up the moisture when it was mixed with the straw, you could probably get it on the "3" player.

stretch film · 11-01-2017 03:53PM

Mooooo wrote: »

This will test them, regular customers saying no. Could counter on them signing a contract that they can't use any animal from a decendant of your herd without a nice royalty ha. May ring em up just to get a look at it

It seems they have no interest in proving bulls for Irish market other than in nz. If they're Irish partners were testing exclusively those Lic sired bulls then I could see less issues with contract.

They market all bar one of the top 20 bulls on the ras list out there(fr).
The bull bucking the trend is' sired by a Lic bull.
No need for a contract it seems in a near monopoly environment.

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