Ivan Yates and his trip around the world

evolving_doors · 08-01-2017 12:02AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I assumed that Ivan's trip with his missus was a way of putting her personal nest-egg beyond the reach of the court in the bankruptcy proceedings.

The bankruptcy judgment was inevitable so they might as well put whatever savings she had to personal use, they've already lost the homeplace.

Yates is a sound man who by all accounts was a good businessman and a great employer. He's lost enough now, in terms of the family farm and reputational damage. I'd hardly consider it fair to begrudge the man a holiday with his wife.

I know Ray's show is dull but this takes the biscuit.
Ivan is being interviewed .... because he went on holidays!!
But wait there's more... he went with his wife.
Harambe pails into insignificance. :pac:

Ya he kind of fluffed that answer to Ray about the missus' bankruptcy.
Does anyone actually know what he said?

Wibbs · 08-01-2017 12:09AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'd hardly consider it fair to begrudge the man a holiday with his wife.

If we the Irish taxpayer paid for it, yeah, I'd begrudge it alright.

Glebee · 08-01-2017 02:32AM

Gebgbegb wrote: »

I know Ray's show is dull but this takes the biscuit.
Ivan is being interviewed .... because he went on holidays!!
But wait there's more... he went with his wife.
Harambe pails into insignificance. :pac:

Ya he kind of fluffed that answer to Ray about the missus' bankruptcy.
Does anyone actually know what he said?

I cant afford a holiday:( Ive paid my tax for the past 28 years.
Maybe im missing something. At one point i did feel sorry for ivan until that interview

Harry Angstrom · 08-01-2017 03:13AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I assumed that Ivan's trip with his missus was a way of putting her personal nest-egg beyond the reach of the court in the bankruptcy proceedings against Deirdre Yates.

The bankruptcy judgment was inevitable so they might as well put the personal savings of Deidre Yates had to good use, they've already lost the homeplace.

Yates is a sound man who by all accounts was a good businessman and a great employer. He's lost enough now, in terms of the family farm and reputational damage. I'd hardly consider it fair to begrudge the man a holiday with his wife.

Indeed, I wouldn't begrudge a man a holiday with his wife - perhaps a week or two in Majorca like the rest of us plebs if we're lucky? A planned year-long holiday, he can fvck right off.

RayM · 08-01-2017 03:18AM

I found his "joke" about "going down to the Fás office to find a job" a bit smug and obnoxious. I bet plenty of people who lost their jobs because of his mistakes had to go down to their local Fás offices, and didn't have the luxury of running away from their responsibilities, or getting jobs from their mates in the media. He comes across as a boorish idiot.

Harry Angstrom · 08-01-2017 03:29AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yates is a sound man who by all accounts was a good businessman and a great employer. He's lost enough now, in terms of the family farm and reputational damage. I'd hardly consider it fair to begrudge the man a holiday with his wife.

Maybe not quite as good a businessman as you would think. His core business seemed to be the concentration of opening more betting shops (at very high rents) when internet betting was clearly taking off. Celtic Bookmakers had no online presence and no infrastructure in place to develop an online business model; and having had experience of betting in one or two Celtic bookmaker shops, his level of staff training was very poor. I had an experience one day when two of his cashiers were trying to convince me that the Grand National wasn't a handicap (on Grand National Day!). In the end, after feeling like I was talking to the wall, I told them to cancel the bets and went to Paddy Power instead (where staff seem to know a thing or two about betting and horse racing).

08-01-2017 04:21AM

I read somewhere that Yates offered something like the equivalent of 90c in the euro to his creditors to clear his debt but they refused?

Cant find a source to it but i remember i think reading it on a previous boards thread but according to here he offered the bank a farm worth 2m and AIB refused. He did owe around 3.7m i think. AIB ended up getting nothing and spending over 200k on a receiver.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aib-wont-recoup-37m-as-ivan-yates-ruled-bankrupt-in-wales-26893882.html

AgileMyth · 08-01-2017 06:59AM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Indeed, I wouldn't begrudge a man a holiday with his wife - perhaps a week or two in Majorca like the rest of us plebs if we're lucky? A planned year-long holiday, he can fvck right off.

Just cause you can't budget for a holiday doesn't mean no one should. I managed a 6 month holiday while working for minimum wage in a shop.

JupiterKid · 08-01-2017 07:16AM

myshirt wrote: »

Don't the Yates still retain a lot of land from the time the family formed part of the British ascendency persecuting Catholics?

I still feel bitter and angry at those with Norman sounding surnames as they invaded us 848 years ago.:mad: Actually, my family name came to Ireland from Northern Holland a couple of centuries AFTER the Norman invasion so I hate myself!:rolleyes:

liam7831 · 08-01-2017 07:48AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

I still feel bitter and angry at those with Norman sounding surnames as they invaded us 848 years ago.:mad: Actually, my family name came to Ireland from Northern Holland a couple of centuries AFTER the Norman invasion so I hate myself!:rolleyes:

I wouldn't blame you, you really got the sh itty end of the stick

evolving_doors · 08-01-2017 09:58AM

AgileMyth wrote: »

Just cause you can't budget for a holiday doesn't mean no one should. I managed a 6 month holiday while working for minimum wage in a shop.

Sorry why aren't you on the show instead of Ivan then?
Like the whole reason he's on the show is .... because he went on a holiday. How is that entertainment?

AgileMyth · 08-01-2017 10:03AM

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Sorry why aren't you on the show instead of Ivan then?
Like the whole reason he's on the show is .... because he went on a holiday. How is that entertainment?

Not sure the purpose of the show but since there's a thread on here there must be some interest in him..

I just hate that people begrudge someone a holiday and to think everyone should be limited to a two week package deal is mental.

evolving_doors · 08-01-2017 10:16AM

AgileMyth wrote: »

Not sure the purpose of the show but since there's a thread on here there must be some interest in him..

I just hate that people begrudge someone a holiday and to think everyone should be limited to a two week package deal is mental.

Ah no I wouldn't begrudge anyone a holiday (I took a year out to travel and work abroad myself).
I reckon the thing with Ivan is that 'he's news' no matter what he does.
I'm just posting because I think he's just one of those shock jocks desperate for attention (and a job!). When he was on the morning slot with Claire Byrne it was non stop stereotype digs about her being a woman.
Sure he knows about politics but I think it's dangerous just to pander to him when he's just trying to feed trolls and raise his own profile by ' shooting his mouth off (like Katy Hopkins or Michael Graham etc.)

So the question begs... why was he on the show?

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-01-2017 11:33AM

He needs to get back on the radio to save that station

VinLieger · 08-01-2017 12:50PM

What with the irish attitude that anyone who goes bankrupt should be ashamed of themselves for the rest of their lives regardless of the specific circumstances?

_Kaiser_ · 08-01-2017 01:21PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

He needs to get back on the radio to save that station

Yep, since his departure and the reshuffle it prompted, things have really gone downhill over there!

purplepanda · 08-01-2017 11:47PM

myshirt wrote: »

Don't the Yates still retain a lot of land from the time the family formed part of the British ascendency persecuting Catholics?

His Great Grandfather went to Canada to earn the money that bought the family farmland according to an article I read a while back.

The British government actually bought most of the land back from the ascendancy classes in late Victorian times, under compulsory purchase, the Irish government contributed to the cost after independence. The same process in Scotland didn't apply & land reform is still an issue,especially in the Highlands.

route9 · 09-01-2017 12:29AM

take everything wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/ivan-yates-on-his-bucket-list-trip-around-america-with-wife-of-31-years-i-am-a-home-bird-at-heart-35317897.html

I usually don't begrudge people stuff and in fairness he deserves a holiday, but reading this I was wondering how he can afford a 20000 mile trip around the world. I thought he was bankrupt.

Yates is someone who puts on the poor mouth yet seems to never have any problem finding the money to do what few people will ever do.
His dishonesty annoys me. Or maybe he is just so out of touch with what real hardship is.

In America, the OP would be 'great job Ivan, brilliant to see him back on your feet and doing well again'.

How is he being dishonest? He is a high profile broadcaster and writer / journo who gets paid loads for his work. So why shouldn't he do what he likes with the money he has rightly earned - he has served his bankruptcy. Same as what you or anyone else would do!

dresden8 · 09-01-2017 12:32AM

Ivan went bankrupt and stiffed people on his bills.

He still has his PS pension.

The PS pension that he gives out about other people having who have a lot less at a later age than he does.

In short, he is a well funded hypocrite.

09-01-2017 12:42AM

dresden8 wrote: »

Ivan went bankrupt and stiffed people on his bills.

The very fact of doing business with a limited company implies taking on a risk whereby recourse to the other side's assets will be limited, so products and services are priced accordingly. Nobody is ignorant of the risks involved when limited companies buy and sell to one another.

Yates lost his personal property and family home. I suspect hes lost more than the actual economic loss incurred by any of his individual creditors. He didn't exactly ride off into the sunset.

By your logic, all bankrupts are shirkers. You do understand the concept that the carrying on of commercial activity entails risks, yes?

dresden8 · 09-01-2017 12:45AM

He has a quite large pension that he could have used along with his radio earnings to pay off debts. He chose to go on the piss for a year in wales instead.

Cha-ching, the pension is just gravy.

At the same time he slags off ps pensioners who have a much lower pension than him after a lot more years of work.

The bloke is fncking scum.

Greedy and entitled.

uck51js9zml2yt · 09-01-2017 12:48AM

I wonder how he manages doing all that traveling and sitting with his bad back..Shure(sic) he has to stand up all the time for his radio show.

Annasopra · 09-01-2017 12:52AM

take everything wrote: »

She's a teacher.
Thought they were all skint.

I thought she was the bookie

09-01-2017 02:12PM

How dare people begrudge Ivan Yates a holiday.

All he did was run up debts, flee to the UK to avail of their more lenient bankruptcy laws, and leave taxpayers to pick up the bill.

I think it is essential to get him back on air lecturing teachers and nurses about how 'greedy' they are and mocking others for their financial incompetence. Good man Ivan!

If a man can't leave us picking up the tab for his business failures and enjoy a simple 100 day holiday around the states what can he do?

No wonder this country is in such a state.

Ivan Yates and his trip around the world

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