Ivan Yates and his trip around the world

take everything · 25-12-2016 03:30PM #1

http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/ivan-yates-on-his-bucket-list-trip-around-america-with-wife-of-31-years-i-am-a-home-bird-at-heart-35317897.html

I usually don't begrudge people stuff and in fairness he deserves a holiday, but reading this I was wondering how he can afford a 20000 mile trip around the world. I thought he was bankrupt.

Yates is someone who puts on the poor mouth yet seems to never have any problem finding the money to do what few people will ever do.
His dishonesty annoys me. Or maybe he is just so out of touch with what real hardship is.

Glebee · 25-12-2016 03:32PM

Well for him. Wish I could do that:(. Ill just stay here and slave away so

The Talking Bread · 25-12-2016 03:35PM

take everything wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/ivan-yates-on-his-bucket-list-trip-around-america-with-wife-of-31-years-i-am-a-home-bird-at-heart-35317897.html

I usually don't begrudge people stuff and in fairness he deserves a holiday, but reading this I was wondering how he can afford a 20000 mile trip around the world. I thought he was bankrupt.

Yates is someone who puts on the poor mouth yet seems to never have any problem finding the money to do what few people will ever do.
His dishonesty annoys me. Or maybe he is just so out of touch with what real hardship is.

Bah Humbug!

Agent Coulson · 25-12-2016 03:35PM

I'm sure he got well paid by his mate Denis O'Brien for his radio gig when he came back from his bankruptcy exile year in Wales.

I'd also hazard a guess his job will be waiting for him at one of Denis O'Brien media empire stations if he wants it at anytime.

padd b1975 · 25-12-2016 03:36PM

Maybe his wife footed the bill, she's not bankrupt as far as I know.

take everything · 25-12-2016 03:37PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Bah Humbug!

I'm enjoying my Christmas.
Just don't like bull****ters

take everything · 25-12-2016 03:38PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Maybe his wife footed the bill, she's not bankrupt as far as I know.

She's a teacher.
Thought they were all skint.

mattser · 25-12-2016 03:38PM

Glebee wrote: »

Well for him. Wish I could do that:(. Ill just stay here and slave away so

" I don't know what I'll be doing ". Course you don't, Ivan.

Grayson · 25-12-2016 03:44PM

Just read his wiki page. It reads like he wrote it himself.

Harry Angstrom · 25-12-2016 03:46PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Maybe his wife footed the bill, she's not bankrupt as far as I know.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/0205/765639-yates-courts/

The Talking Bread · 25-12-2016 03:50PM

Jesus, we would all do the same thing. He is married for 30 years. Been through a very public and I would imagine personally embarrasing financial loss after working relatively hard to build up a decent but hardly superfluous lifestyle. Remained in the public domain, represented the public, opened up about his depression and then worked hard to bounce back and seems a genuine, if not everyones cup of tea (who is?) man.

If the same happened to you would you just play the martyr or plead for forgiveness or hide away for the rest of your days.

Fair fks to him. And there is two of them in it. His wife would have a decent income and maybe has wanted this chance for years.

Begrudge him if you want, whether through personal dislike or envy but if you fell victim to the financial crisis but bounced back, what would you do??

Galwayguy35 · 25-12-2016 03:53PM

Best of luck to him, at least he paid his taxes unlike one guy I can think of who recently was declared bankrupt.

Allinall · 25-12-2016 03:58PM

take everything wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/ivan-yates-on-his-bucket-list-trip-around-america-with-wife-of-31-years-i-am-a-home-bird-at-heart-35317897.html

I usually don't begrudge people stuff and in fairness he deserves a holiday, but reading this I was wondering how he can afford a 20000 mile trip around the world. I thought he was bankrupt.

Yates is someone who puts on the poor mouth yet seems to never have any problem finding the money to do what few people will ever do.
His dishonesty annoys me. Or maybe he is just so out of touch with what real hardship is.

I don't think you understand bankruptcy.

Kristopherus · 25-12-2016 04:12PM

I wonder how many of the ex Celtic Bookmakers staff is he bringing with him?:rolleyes:

He had a very privelidged upbringing and thats the ethos he still portrays. He left his staff in the lurch and fcuked off to Wales to get lonely and his "woe is me" moaning in the Irish media at the time was, quite frankly, sickening and embarrassing.

I, for one, have no time for him.:(

Pickpocket · 25-12-2016 04:14PM

take everything wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/entertainment/ivan-yates-on-his-bucket-list-trip-around-america-with-wife-of-31-years-i-am-a-home-bird-at-heart-35317897.html

I usually don't begrudge people stuff and in fairness he deserves a holiday, but reading this I was wondering how he can afford a 20000 mile trip around the world. I thought he was bankrupt.

Yates is someone who puts on the poor mouth yet seems to never have any problem finding the money to do what few people will ever do.
His dishonesty annoys me. Or maybe he is just so out of touch with what real hardship is.

I don't know what's worse. You writing that on Christmas Day, or me reading it.

hannible the cannible · 25-12-2016 04:16PM

The jealousy is big in this thread , op , have you anything else to be doing on Xmas day except be a miserable cnut

Arcade_Tryer · 25-12-2016 04:17PM

Entitlement culture.

myshirt · 25-12-2016 04:21PM

Don't the Yates still retain a lot of land from the time the family formed part of the British ascendency persecuting Catholics?

take everything · 25-12-2016 04:22PM

Allinall wrote: »

I don't think you understand bankruptcy.

I understand bankruptcy.
Of course the slate gets wiped clean and you start again.

It's the contradiction between the impression he gives of going through purgatory/poor me vs the reality of being able to afford what few others might be able to afford.

I am inferring that it is either dishonest or grossly out of touch.

The Talking Bread · 25-12-2016 04:22PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

I wonder how many of the ex Celtic Bookmakers staff is he bringing with him?:rolleyes:

He had a very privelidged upbringing and thats the ethos he still portrays. He left his staff in the lurch and fcuked off to Wales to get lonely and his "woe is me" moaning in the Irish media at the time was, quite frankly, sickening and embarrassing.

I, for one, have no time for him.:(

I am not sure but I am sure they got paid when working for him?? People lose jobs. He wasn't overly indulgent in his financial affairs pre bankruptcy. He owes his former staff nothing.
If you knew (maybe you do) the background of Celtic's collapse, you would know it was his over loyalty to his staff that was possibly his downfall in the end.

Allinall · 25-12-2016 04:26PM

take everything wrote: »

I understand bankruptcy.
Of course the slate gets wiped clean and you start again.

It's the contradiction between the impression he gives of going through purgatory/poor me vs the reality of being able to afford what few others might be able to afford.

I am inferring that it is either dishonest or grossly out of touch.

Where did he give the impression of going through purgatory?

If it was when he went to Wales to go bankrupt, then at that time he was able to afford very little.

Maybe you should get your timelines sorted out.

Collie D · 25-12-2016 04:27PM

Regarding Celtic I know someone who worked for them and she said both Ivan and his wife were lovely to work for. Obviously only the opinion of one person but worth mentioning

Raging_Ninja · 25-12-2016 05:48PM

Good for him, wouldn't mind doing the same myself some day.

The begrudgery doesn't seem to make much sense - seems like he's using money he earned for his holidays, not the taxpayers'.

mattser · 25-12-2016 06:24PM

Pickpocket wrote: »

I don't know what's worse. You writing that on Christmas Day, or me reading it.

Both perfectly okay in my view

hurler32 · 25-12-2016 06:24PM

Hes in the clear now..taxpayers will pay off his debts over a number of years...he is free to go round the world cruises etc ..designer suits..new bmw with the money hed hidden away ..after his year on the beer in wales!

25-12-2016 06:31PM

Allinall wrote: »

Where did he give the impression of going through purgatory?

If it was when he went to Wales to go bankrupt, then at that time he was able to afford very little.

Maybe you should get your timelines sorted out.

He had/has a ministerial pension (for serving a mere 3 years as Minister for Agriculture) of €75,000 per annum, which he has been in receipt of each year for the past 19 years - since he was 38 years old in 1997- and will be in receipt of until he dies. If that allows him to afford only "very little" how do you describe the position of most people in Irish society who earn far less than Yeats' pension?

The political pension system is an obscene system designed by parasites for parasites. Yeats may be that rare breed - a Blueshirt who has charm and plámás - but don't let that disguise the outstanding reality that he, like the whole class of people on ministerial pensions, is a superstar parasite on our taxes.

evolving_doors · 07-01-2017 10:55PM

Uncle travelling matt is back with an update on Ray d'Arcy.
Hope he's managing OK, I'll bet he's seen loads of really interesting things that he can tell us about...

Wibbs · 07-01-2017 11:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The political pension system is an obscene system designed by parasites for parasites. Yeats may be that rare breed - a Blueshirt who has charm and plámás - but don't let that disguise the outstanding reality that he, like the whole class of people on ministerial pensions, is a superstar parasite on our taxes.

TBH I was in the "ah bloody begrudgers!" camp, but F has a cast iron point to make IMH. Yep parasite, like all that political class. Too many tug forelocks to the type. You'd think the Irish might have learned after the English and then kissing the bishops ring BS when they left. Sod that.

Luckily I harbour no notions of revolution and insurrection, because if I did and by some slim chance I succeeded, I would march the Dail out and publicly crucify about half of them and leave them as a warning. I'd likely publicly crucify all of the senate.

rizlafan · 07-01-2017 11:43PM

i played a few hands of poker with ivan back in 2002,

5 card draw,

nice fish

evolving_doors · 07-01-2017 11:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH I was in the "ah bloody begrudgers!" camp, but F has a cast iron point to make IMH. Yep parasite, like all that political class. Too many tug forelocks to the type. You'd think the Irish might have learned after the English and then kissing the bishops ring BS when they left. Sod that.

Luckily I harbour no notions of revolution and insurrection, because if I did and by some slim chance I succeeded, I would march the Dail out and publicly crucify about half of them and leave them as a warning. I'd likely publicly crucify all of the senate.

Nuthin about crucifixion going against the AH charter so.... I suppose it's OK!

07-01-2017 11:57PM

I assumed that Ivan's trip with his missus was a way of putting her personal nest-egg beyond the reach of the court in the bankruptcy proceedings against Deirdre Yates.

The bankruptcy judgment was inevitable so they might as well put the personal savings of Deidre Yates had to good use, they've already lost the homeplace.

Yates is a sound man who by all accounts was a good businessman and a great employer. He's lost enough now, in terms of the family farm and reputational damage. I'd hardly consider it fair to begrudge the man a holiday with his wife.

Ivan Yates and his trip around the world

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