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smurf492 · 31-12-2016 07:04PM

Ive been quiet for a while but happy 2017 to all and hope it comes packed with retro goodnessâ˜º...

CiDeRmAn · 31-12-2016 07:08PM

So, to you shower of luddite and under appreciated peoples
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odi5sGvtqjc

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 01-01-2017 02:29AM

Happy New Year everyone, I hope it's a happy and healthy one. Looking forward to seeing some of ye at beers again during the year.

Edit: Ciderman! You reminded me I forgot to play ACNL! I'm stuck into PKMNSun atm.

Doge · 03-01-2017 04:12PM

The PS4 has been pwned thanks to extreme weak, almost non existent security on Sony's part!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxEUm-pHUE

Wont be long now before someone uses this hack for homebrew and piracy.

Steve X2 · 03-01-2017 06:10PM

Doge wrote: »

The PS4 has been pwned thanks to extreme weak, almost non existent security on Sony's part!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxEUm-pHUE

Wont be long now before someone uses this hack for homebrew and piracy.

It's a pity the CPU cores are so weak on the PS4, it'd be a viable main PC for some people(Linux based anyway) if it had a bit more grunt. The GPU cores are decent though, so maybe there's something to be done on that side of things.
Still, very interested to see where this goes.

04-01-2017 11:13PM

Doge wrote: »

The PS4 has been pwned thanks to extreme weak, almost non existent security on Sony's part!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxEUm-pHUE

Wont be long now before someone uses this hack for homebrew and piracy.

Is this the exploit for 1.76 firmware or has there been further advancements

Inviere · 05-01-2017 09:44AM

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

Is this the exploit for 1.76 firmware or has there been further advancements

Q&A near the end, he basically said there's been exploits found for several different firmware versions. Very interesting video, even if a lot of it went over my head - interesting to see how badly, and weirdly, Sony made the PS4 in terms of security and architecture respectively.

CiDeRmAn · 05-01-2017 10:12AM

The only reason I'd use such an exploit is in the unlikely event of a PS2 emulator being made available.
Otherwise it's just for pirates..... Arrr!

Inviere · 05-01-2017 10:19AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Otherwise it's just for pirates..... Arrr!

I dunno man, installing Linux & then booting Steam in big picture mode looks all very legit to me

(go to 42:42) Very impressive piece of work, particularly the area of the AMD drivers.

Retr0gamer · 05-01-2017 10:50AM

These guys aren't enabling piracy. They are basically just doing this for fun and learning about the hardware. It's unfortunate that piracy is usually a knock on effect of this.

Inviere · 05-01-2017 10:57AM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

basically just doing this for fun and learning about the hardware

I found the part about the video output bizarre. The PS4's APU has two native output methods: HDMI & Display Port. Naturally, one would assume Sony would have the machine use the APU's native HDMI output, given people use HDMI to carry their video for this console. Nope, they use the Display Port output, then add in an extra bridge/encoder to convert the signal back to HDMI....nuts

Edit - I've seen it suggested online that this is par the course for Sony, as having their own encoder gives them a finer degree of control over things like HDCP, & adding updates like HDR etc. Makes sense in that regard.

The Last Bandit · 05-01-2017 11:17AM

Ya there seemed to be a lot of strange design decisions made but I've been in enough hw design reviews at this stage to know what seems bat****e crazy on the outside usually have a perfectly valid reason - particularly when its adding cost to the product (i.e. the usb-sata bridge & the dp-hdmi bridge).

That said would love to know the reasoning behind it..

CiDeRmAn · 05-01-2017 11:20AM

I apologise, I was basing my opinion of this on Sparks and his naughty ways...

Inviere · 05-01-2017 11:34AM

The Last Bandit wrote: »

Ya there seemed to be a lot of strange design decisions made but I've been in enough hw design reviews at this stage to know what seems bat****e crazy on the outside usually have a perfectly valid reason - particularly when its adding cost to the product (i.e. the usb-sata bridge & the dp-hdmi bridge).

That said would love to know the reasoning behind it..

I edited my post above, from reading online it seems having their own encoder gives greater flexibility for updates, rather then using the integrated APU ouput (which isn't a Sony product). Apparently they did this with the PS3 too, in order to bring HDMI 2.0, 3D etc.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I apologise, I was basing my opinion of this on Sparks and his naughty ways...

Yaar

Retr0gamer · 05-01-2017 02:19PM

I think it might have been a legacy thing. Displayport is far better than current HDMI so I'd say Sony was experimenting/future proofing the PS4 for the likes of 4K and higher at 60+ FPS. I know for myself my ultra wide 3440x1440 monitor only runs at 30 FPS on HDMI but 60 FPS in display port. The extra encoder might be there to half arse it back to HDMI or to leave it there for future functionality.

Some of the other code and architecture stuff was head scratching.

johnny_ultimate · 05-01-2017 08:44PM

Jaysus, check out the frame rate on the mobile Mega Man ports.

I think you've made a fatal error if you're trying (and inevitably failing) to play a MM game on a touchscreen anyway, but wowsers at that FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aIWMioZbUE

Retr0gamer · 05-01-2017 11:43PM

Jesus that is insanely bad. I mean... it's got ****ing tile scrolling like a fecking MSX. With the tools available to developers on mobile it's tougher to actually but in tile scrolling instead of smooth scrolling. Capcom really cheaped out on this port.

Tom Mann Centuria · 06-01-2017 12:06AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Jaysus, check out the frame rate on the mobile Mega Man ports.

I think you've made a fatal error if you're trying (and inevitably failing) to play a MM game on a touchscreen anyway, but wowsers at that FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aIWMioZbUE

People playing classic games on mobile phones touch screen being treated with contempt.

And rightly so.

Inviere · 06-01-2017 10:10AM

Definitely one to play for the "frame rate doesn't matter, a good game is a good game" brigade.

Tom Mann Centuria · 06-01-2017 11:51AM

Saw this on a facebook group I'm in. If you were a lad growing up in Yugoslavia (Serbia more accurately) in 80s and early 90s and liked your computers, you got a cover girl on the front of your computer magazines. Some of them look ecstatic to be there.

http://flashbak.com/yugoslavian-computer-magazine-cover-girls-of-the-1980s-90s-370271/

So if you have a thing for disinterested Eastern European models holding retro computers this is for you.

CiDeRmAn · 06-01-2017 11:53AM

Inviere wrote: »

Definitely one to play for the "frame rate doesn't matter, a good game is a good game" brigade.

There's such a group?
Are they mates with the Flat Earth Society?
They probably own one of those Blaze/@tGames Megadrive clones too, and think they're great.
Such people should be locked away.... I know just the place (looks out his office window)

Steve X2 · 06-01-2017 12:07PM

Ah, sure you only need 12fps on any game anyway.

Steve X2 · 06-01-2017 12:08PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

There's such a group?
Are they mates with the Flat Earth Society?
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I'd heard of these people before of course, but only really researched after working with a guy who truly believes in all that. Its fookin madness!!!

Skerries · 06-01-2017 12:39PM

Super Retro Boy

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/01/say_hello_to_the_super_retro_boy_an_all-in-one_game_boy_solution

Retr0gamer · 06-01-2017 02:04PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

There's such a group?
Are they mates with the Flat Earth Society?

It's usually the console fanboys, say something about the game playing better in 60 FPS on PC and they jump on you as if you personally attacked their mother.

Inviere · 06-01-2017 06:40PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

There's such a group?

There unfortunately is, as Retr0 says, they're usually found around the console plains, just south of kakariko village. You read all sorts of tripe, from 30fps being better than 60fps because it's more 'cinematic', to the aforementioned frame rate doesn't affect a good game no matter how low it is. some of the best games ever made were on hardware dwarfed by our phones these days, but there's just no excuse for a frame rate like the one from that megaman 2 phone port video. Dreadful stuff.

CiDeRmAn · 06-01-2017 07:28PM

Wouldn't a person be better off paying for the right to play MM2 on their phone, then deleting the app and installing a Nes emulator instead, and play MM2 with a bluetooth controller?

DinoRex · 06-01-2017 09:17PM

The other end of the spectrum are just as bad. The ones who throw a fit because a turn based card game has its frame rate locked just because morons like Total Biscuit told them to.

That said... I absolutely can't play the Last Guardian at all because the frame rate is so poor. Makes me feel ill after about 10 minutes. It will have to wait until I get a PS4 Pro at some point.

Retr0gamer · 06-01-2017 11:00PM

Last guardian on ps4 is pretty much broken and near unplayable for me as well 😭

johnny_ultimate · 06-01-2017 11:18PM

Meh, Last Guardian has quite a few hitches but not nearly enough to dull the most magnificent game I've played in the longest time. I tend to be slightly more forgiving of frame rate issues when it's clear why it's happened - and in a game as technically complex and accomplished as TLG it's obvious why the developers struggled (and they've struggled before, even more so TBH). Still not ideal by any stretch, but a masterpiece regardless.

That said, I've definitely grown more sensistive to frame rate issues since I switched to a capable PC. Was unquestionably more tolerant of lower frame rates a few years ago, but switching back to 30 fps on PS4 now sticks out for sure. First person efforts, even slow paced ones, stand out most - tried Soma recently and it made me feel mildly queasy

I'm playing Dishonored 2 on it at the moment (avoided the PC version because of issues) and it's a little better, find myself adjusting faster, but still off.

I spoke to the guys behind Virginia a while back, and they made a convincing and passionate case of why they included a 30 FPS lock as default - I know the 'cinematic' argument is often justifiably mocked, but I think Virginia more than any other game I've played makes a strong argument for a legitimately cinematic aesthetic. And they included 60 FPS anyway as an option. But that's a genuinely exceptional case.

In conclusion: screw Capcom.

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