Eir rural FTTH thread

Johnboy1951 · 22-12-2016 01:58PM

damienirel wrote: »

Thing is the amount of premises passed is dismal too.

I will wait for the March 2017 figures before I will have an opinion on that.
If that figure, for instance, is only 50% of the expected 100k then I will be in complete agreement.

Gonzo · 22-12-2016 02:16PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I will wait for the March 2017 figures before I will have an opinion on that.
If that figure, for instance, is only 50% of the expected 100k then I will be in complete agreement.

I doubt there will be 50k passed by end of March, they are expecting to pass approx 34,000 per quarter, right now they are sitting on approx 3,000 passed. No way will they pass 47,000 between now and 30th March.

damienirel · 22-12-2016 03:25PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I doubt there will be 50k passed by end of March, they are expecting to pass approx 34,000 per quarter, right now they are sitting on approx 3,000 passed. No way will they pass 47,000 between now and 30th March.

Totally agree their isn't a snowballs chance. It's a complete line of BS from Eir.

Johnboy1951 · 22-12-2016 04:04PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I doubt there will be 50k passed by end of March, they are expecting to pass approx 34,000 per quarter, right now they are sitting on approx 3,000 passed. No way will they pass 47,000 between now and 30th March.

I expect the figure to be about 80k by end March.
I hope they get closer than that to the 100k target.

Remember they have the bulk of the preparation work done on a large number of areas, and the stringing out of the fibre is probably the fastest part of the operation overall.

Shyboy · 22-12-2016 05:47PM

The map has just been updated and finally our exchange Turloughmore, County Galway is going live next Weds 28th Dec. Do I have to wait until next week to order it or will they accept an order now?

damienirel · 22-12-2016 05:48PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I expect the figure to be about 80k by end March.
I hope they get closer than that to the 100k target.

Remember they have the bulk of the preparation work done on a large number of areas, and the stringing out of the fibre is probably the fastest part of the operation overall.

I'd love to believe it, but going on previous performance it would be like asking a donkey to race in the grand national.

daraghwal · 22-12-2016 05:55PM

Anywhere that used to say nothing and was due 2017-2020 has changed to 2017/2018

damienirel · 22-12-2016 06:11PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Anywhere that used to say nothing and was due 2017-2020 has changed to 2017/2018

Fills me with total confidence that will be the actual case! (BTW my exchange was one of those)
Must have updated since I moaned so much about it - only took them 3 weeks!

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-12-2016 06:12PM

Some more dates:

14th Dec:
Crosshaven (Cork)

28th Dec:
Belclare
Cornamona
Turloughmore (All Galway)

4th Jan:
Quigleys Point (Donegal)

11th Jan:
Strandhill (Sligo)

18th Jan:
Blessington (Wicklow)
Duncannon (Wexford)

Dunleer (Louth) and Kells (Meath) both have January listed with no set date given.

digiman · 22-12-2016 06:14PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I expect the figure to be about 80k by end March.
I hope they get closer than that to the 100k target.

Remember they have the bulk of the preparation work done on a large number of areas, and the stringing out of the fibre is probably the fastest part of the operation overall.

How is it you are always so positive that they will complete the rollout when everything suggests they haven't a hope? What do you see that the rest of us don't?

Can you please quantify what "bulk of preparation work" is and "large number of areas"

damienirel · 22-12-2016 06:19PM

digiman wrote: »

How is it you are always so positive that they will complete the rollout when everything suggests they haven't a hope? What do you see that the rest of us don't?

Can you please quantify what "bulk of preparation work" is and "large number of areas"

I think that bluelines map has completely confused people, because it's fantasy - I want to believe too though!

When it's complete if at all we'll be gone well past 2018. It's a "land grab" by a desperate company on it's last chance. Landscape wouldn't be long changing if they had any serious competition, but they're all holding out for the NBP contract. Eir want to appear to be generous in starting ahead of the awarding of the contract but it's a stunt.

Johnboy1951 · 22-12-2016 06:33PM

digiman wrote: »

How is it you are always so positive that they will complete the rollout when everything suggests they haven't a hope? What do you see that the rest of us don't?

Can you please quantify what "bulk of preparation work" is and "large number of areas"

I have no idea what "everything suggests they haven't a hope" means.
You can interpret events as you wish, but obviously I interpret things a lot differently.

I do not expect eir, as I have previously said, to meet their 100k target, but I do expect them to get the bulk done by end of March.

I do expect them to reach their 300k target at the end of 2018.

I see nothing so far that indicates they are not doing this as fast as they can, so the will to reach their target is there.

They have the best of reasons for doing this ...... commercial reasons ..... which will push them to do so.

How they organise what they are doing might not suit a lot of people posting on this thread, but that does not influence anything, except maybe others' opinions.
You can be sure eir are organising things to suit the job at hand and the available staff etc etc etc.
Their planners have estimated the roll out times.
Those people are highly paid professionals with access to information that no one on this thread has admitted to having access to.

I therefore believe those eir employees actually know what they are doing.
Allowing for unforeseen factors in the 100k estimated time, I would be happy if they make 80k, and there should be no to few unforeseen factors to delay the rest of the roll out so I expect the 300k target to be met or very close to it.

The end of March estimate should provide us with some solid figures to base an opinion on, and I will definitely change mine if they fail badly to meet the target.

digiman · 22-12-2016 06:47PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I have no idea what "everything suggests they haven't a hope" means.
You can interpret events as you wish, but obviously I interpret things a lot differently.

I do not expect eir, as I have previously said, to meet their 100k target, but I do expect them to get the bulk done by end of March.

I do expect them to reach their 300k target at the end of 2018.

I see nothing so far that indicates they are not doing this as fast as they can, so the will to reach their target is there.

They have the best of reasons for doing this ...... commercial reasons ..... which will push them to do so.

How they organise what they are doing might not suit a lot of people posting on this thread, but that does not influence anything, except maybe others' opinions.
You can be sure eir are organising things to suit the job at hand and the available staff etc etc etc.
Their planners have estimated the roll out times.
Those people are highly paid professionals with access to information that no one on this thread has admitted to having access to.

I therefore believe those eir employees actually know what they are doing.
Allowing for unforeseen factors in the 100k estimated time, I would be happy if they make 80k, and there should be no to few unforeseen factors to delay the rest of the roll out so I expect the 300k target to be met or very close to it.

The end of March estimate should provide us with some solid figures to base an opinion on, and I will definitely change mine if they fail badly to meet the target.

They started this "100k rollout" at the beginning of this year as far as I am aware, up to today they seem to have completed around 3,500 homes passed. This is 3.5% in almost a year, yet you are still confident that they will get around 80% done in under 3 months?

That is what I mean by "everything suggests they haven't a hope"

You would be a good politician, you basically came back with a quote from me and then avoided answering any of the 2 questions I asked!!

They have 2 possible reasons to say that they will hit 300k by end of 2018. One as you say is a commercial reason and the other is to try and convince the department that the 300k homes should not be included in the NBP thus making them the winners by default.

Personally I think the 100k by March is totally impossible, will do well to get to 20k. However the 300k may be possible by end of 2018. It's 12.5k homes passed per month so not totally impossible.

Also, what is the point in passing so many homes yet not connecting any up from a commercial point of view? It will hardly do them any favours in winning NBP either, whole point is to have fibre in your home, not outside you home.

ED E · 22-12-2016 06:51PM

A little birdie might have mentioned to me about the large fleet purchases OpenEir may or may not have made very recently. They're taking it seriously

Late Jan-> End of Feb is the worst time of year for them traditionally, thats when they have storm damaged plant the country wide. This will take priority, as it should, over new build if the weather turns (its been massively mild this year!). After that, blitzkreig.

Gonzo · 22-12-2016 08:00PM

Dunshaughlin isn't listed in the update, but I heard today that our exchange will probably be live last week of January.

looks like there is gonna be exchanges going live every 2 weeks or even more now, things are certainly starting to move.

Gonzo · 22-12-2016 08:13PM

the map isn't updating for me checked on another browser and its updated to early 2017. Ashbourne has been moved from early/mid 2017 to h2 2017 and Batterstown has been moved from Spring 2017 to early/mid 2017.

Pulsating Star · 22-12-2016 08:20PM

Shyboy wrote: »

The map has just been updated and finally our exchange Turloughmore, County Galway is going live next Weds 28th Dec. Do I have to wait until next week to order it or will they accept an order now?

Good to hear you will be up and running soon.
The next two areas along from yours Abbyknockmoy and Corofin are only at the "planned " stage:(
(the cabinet/ exchange in Corofin is down as Ballyglunin which is the postal area name- a nice walk fron Ballyglunin itself). I see it is on the first 100k list as well.

As an aside one could do with good broadband to read that map, on a slow connection it's patience testing for sure.

damienirel · 22-12-2016 09:54PM

ED E wrote: »

A little birdie might have mentioned to me about the large fleet purchases OpenEir may or may not have made very recently. They're taking it seriously

Late Jan-> End of Feb is the worst time of year for them traditionally, thats when they have storm damaged plant the country wide. This will take priority, as it should, over new build if the weather turns (its been massively mild this year!). After that, blitzkreig.

Hope you're right - you usually are!!

Gonzo · 22-12-2016 10:10PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Some more dates:

14th Dec:
Crosshaven (Cork)

28th Dec:
Belclare
Cornamona
Turloughmore (All Galway)

4th Jan:
Quigleys Point (Donegal)

11th Jan:
Strandhill (Sligo)

18th Jan:
Blessington (Wicklow)
Duncannon (Wexford)

Dunleer (Louth) and Kells (Meath) both have January listed with no set date given.

basically that's FTTH exchanges going live on a weekly basis instead of monthly, that's what we want to see! Hopefully Dunshaughlin will go live by Fri 27th January.

Carlingford went live this week before it ever got a date on the map.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-12-2016 10:29PM

Gonzo wrote: »

the map isn't updating for me checked on another browser and its updated to early 2017. Ashbourne has been moved from early/mid 2017 to h2 2017 and Batterstown has been moved from Spring 2017 to early/mid 2017.

There are a few areas pushed back to H2 2017:

Ashbourne (Meath)
Carrickmacross (Monaghan)
Clonmel (Tipperary)
Edenderry (Offaly)
Malahide (Dublin)

There were a small number of additional premises enabled in existing exchanges. The current total stands at 2790 (plus Crosshaven) out of 106340 for a 2.62% completion rate.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-12-2016 10:47PM

ED E wrote: »

A little birdie might have mentioned to me about the large fleet purchases OpenEir may or may not have made very recently. They're taking it seriously

Late Jan-> End of Feb is the worst time of year for them traditionally, thats when they have storm damaged plant the country wide. This will take priority, as it should, over new build if the weather turns (its been massively mild this year!). After that, blitzkreig.

Surely they should have bought the necessary equipment in advance of announcing the 100K premises by March 2017? All that goes to show is that they most likely knew the announcement was bogus. They had neither the manpower nor tools to complete it on time.

Gonzo · 22-12-2016 11:16PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Surely they should have bought the necessary equipment in advance of announcing the 100K premises by March 2017? All that goes to show is that they most likely knew the announcement was bogus. They had neither the manpower nor tools to complete it on time.

that crossed my mind too, they should have had this sorted for April onwards after the March announcement. It was obvious just 2 months ago that things were going far from plan with very little signs of action anywhere and only over 1000 premises passed at the time. We would have well over 60,000 premises passed by this stage if that was the case! but better late than never. Fairly certain now the rollout will be much more impressive form here forward.

Gwynston · 23-12-2016 11:14AM

Shyboy wrote: »

The map has just been updated and finally our exchange Turloughmore, County Galway is going live next Weds 28th Dec. Do I have to wait until next week to order it or will they accept an order now?

That's great news for you!
I think that means you can order on 28th Dec, so it's probably been completed by OpenEir since the start of the month, but Eir have to wait 4 weeks before they can offer the services to customers. How long you'll have to wait for someone to come and install will be interesting to find out - keep us posted!

Now I feel very jealous, as my exchange is next door in Claregalway, but there's no movement on my Early/Mid 2017 date and no sign of activity down my way since I once saw KN vans at the end of my blue line many weeks ago.

Gonzo · 23-12-2016 11:58AM

I'm sure the lads were looking forward to their christmas holidays but days like today will delay rollouts. There's bound to be lines down and problems associated with the extremely windy conditions today.

As for the exchanges going live over the next month, it will be February before most will see installations. As for my exchange, if it goes live end of January, it will be end of February or beginning of March before I have an active connection!

ED E · 23-12-2016 12:32PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I'm sure the lads were looking forward to their christmas holidays but days like today will delay rollouts.

ESB have big outages in Belmullet and Roscommon. HV lines are much stronger that POTS cables. They're gonna be very distracted.

Gonzo · 23-12-2016 02:04PM

This is everything I could find from yesterday's map update, hopefully I haven't left any live exchanges out.

66 towns

Bray 60
Greystones 1840
Balbriggan 1070
Drogheda 1850
Dundalk 100
Cavan 2180
Monaghan 430
Sligo 2660
Letterkenny 5570
Castlebar 1330
Sandyford 2870
Wexford 3960
Douglas 840
Ballincollig 130
Carrigaline 1270
Tralee 430
Ennis 1290
Naas 3830
Kilkenny 3480

Rural Blue Lines
Virginia 100
Carlingford 170
Ballyfarnan 360
Belcarra 160
Inverin 170
Athboy 440
Courtown 400
Killinick 400
Ballyboden 230
Rahan 230
Youghal 320
Dungloe 340
Ballyclough 40

Upcoming FTTH dates:
Kells January
Rush 09 July
Dunleer January
Kinnegad 09 July
Dungannon 18 January
Crosshaven 14 December
Roscommon 02 January
Strandhill 11 January
Quigleys Point 04 January
Turloughmore 28 December
Cornamona 28 December
Belclare 28 December
Carnmore 04 January (FTTC only?)
Blessington 18 January

Early 2017
Dunshaughlin
Brittas Bay

marno21 · 23-12-2016 09:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

Hope you're right - you usually are!!

Remember as well that there's a lot of work to be done around the exchange area, laying cable etc before the place can be turned on. If there are crews working on various exchanges around the country in parallel, it's likely there'll be a massive heap of them done around the same time in March. There was never going to be a cascading/consistent enabling of homes in this rollout given the way it's being done.

lucernarian · 24-12-2016 08:52AM

Shame it's so difficult to find information on the rural fibre rollout when the exchange is also on the list of 66 large exchanges for FTTH...

Gonzo · 24-12-2016 11:35AM

lucernarian wrote: »

Shame it's so difficult to find information on the rural fibre rollout when the exchange is also on the list of 66 large exchanges for FTTH...

yep that's one of the big faults in the map. Other's include exchanges marked as live as the FTTC is live. Inaccurate information such as listing 2 exchanges (Kinnegad and Rush as going live 09 July, has to be a mistake). Sometimes its hard to judge if they are referring to FTTC or FTTH rollout in some exchanges. With so many tags it's difficult to just look at the map on a county by county basis. The map should also be updated to show the 66 towns where the fiber is located or planned in those towns. Blue lined fiber routes that are now finished/live/active should be marked in a different colour. There are people who look at this map when they are thinking of buying a new home and much of the time the map is unable to tell them if their new house will have any sort of fibre.

plodder · 27-12-2016 09:31AM

My exchange in rural North county Dublin has changed back to green "build commenced". FTTH date still says early/mid 2017.

Eir rural FTTH thread

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