New Proposed Sheep Scheme

jfh · 22-12-2016 08:30PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Footrot is very infectious
We never have footrot here, but I need 150 replacement ewe lambs here every year and if we were buying them in instead of breeding them we'd have every disease and foot ailment as well.
Last time I bought in much sheep I had scab and enzootic abortion introduced into the flock, so avoid buying in now

Swore I'd put down a diping bath after last summer, although we got guy to spray we ended up bringing sheep in every week or so to spray ourselves.

Do you need to throw them in or do they go into a cage

rangler1 · 22-12-2016 08:48PM

jfh wrote: »

Swore I'd put down a diping bath after last summer, although we got guy to spray we ended up bringing sheep in every week or so to spray ourselves.

Do you need to throw them in or do they go into a cage

Throw them in, It's a big job, they know whats going on and won't go within 10ft of the bath, I don't know how you'd fool them.
I'd imagine that they'd cop on to the cage too, a friend has a dipping bath located beside the race and they slide in from the race......probably the best I've seen , they're using the race all year and then he lets a few to the front of the race as a decoy and the rest slide down into the bath. slide is covered for the rest of the year

sea12 · 22-12-2016 09:12PM

What's the rules for putting in a dipping tank. Do you need planning permission?

farawaygrass · 23-12-2016 11:09PM

Got the forms yesterday too. For the last few years we had a cheviot ram and probably 3/4 of the ewes are out of him. So they class us as a hill flock. Anyone else in the same boat? I'd prefer the lowland tbh

Green farmer · 29-12-2016 01:54PM

Got the forms this morning. Must decide what options to do.

orm0nd · 29-12-2016 02:18PM

Green farmer wrote: »

Got the forms this morning. Must decide what options to do.

ditto

in fairness to the Dept. they have made the app. form as simple as possible,

there is very little chance of making a mistake or sending back to the incorrect return ad.

nearly everybody would fly strike & lameness control in place, & again here they have them in separate categories not forcing some one to take up an option they're not presently enforcing.

a couple of minutes a few times a year would take care of the records.

Green farmer · 29-12-2016 02:40PM

Doing to do the lameness and fly strike options here alright. The scanning looks straight forward as well, but I don't like being dependent on whether the scanner turns up or not. Id prefer to have full control over compliance.

charolais0153 · 29-12-2016 04:01PM

Will do lameness and scanning. We do it already just a matter of taking down a few numbers every so often

arctictree · 30-12-2016 05:38PM

Will do the mineral supplement and fly strike here. We do it anyway so no big deal filling in the forms. I only had 30 Ewes in the reference years though, so won't get much out of it. I've doubled my numbers for this year but unfortunately that won't count.

Sheep breeder · 31-12-2016 11:21AM

Will do the minerals and scanning as already bolus ewes at tupping and scan up to three times some years.

MayoAreMagic · 31-12-2016 01:40PM

Id like to hear more about what mineral supplementation actually consists of. Some wormers have cobalt included for example; would that be deemed acceptable for compliance? Strictly speaking it should do. Or will they be insisting that sheep are given thriver or lickblocks or something like that? It is all a little vague

sea12 · 31-12-2016 05:07PM

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 31-12-2016 06:38PM

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

You're supposed to manage the different groups differently. Triplets in a different group and fed ration earlier and housed together. Twin bearing next and fed accordingly. Singles late getting ration and less of it.

That's my understanding of it.

razor8 · 31-12-2016 07:22PM

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

As long as you have the same number of ewes for the following years census there wouldn't be a issue selling barren ewes

rangler1 · 31-12-2016 07:30PM

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

In the inspection they'll see that you've sold seven ewes on the department records and your register so they'll know you had the at the time of the census

eorna · 31-12-2016 07:59PM

Did everybody got the forms?
Nothing here yet!

Farrell · 31-12-2016 08:10PM

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

Do you need a detailed report of the scanning results.
Currently I just get a receipt & dotted ewes

Username John · 31-12-2016 08:32PM

eorna wrote: »

Did everybody got the forms?
Nothing here yet!

I only got em the day before yesterday, so I'd say they're still en route...

sea12 · 31-12-2016 09:22PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

You're supposed to manage the different groups differently. Triplets in a different group and fed ration earlier and housed together. Twin bearing next and fed accordingly. Singles late getting ration and less of it.

That's my understanding of it.

Ah I know that it was more could you sell the barren ewes. Think the guys gave answered it below. Cheers

sea12 · 31-12-2016 09:24PM

rangler1 wrote: »

In the inspection they'll see that you've sold seven ewes on the department records and your register so they'll know you had the at the time of the census

Cheers just wondering. Was just using the numbers above as an example. As it happens I've down sized led this year and just have half the ewes of my quota for this year.

Siamsa Sessions · 31-12-2016 09:55PM

Still waiting for the forms here (Waterford).

Will new entrants actually get something in the post? Or do we need to contact someone?

White Clover · 31-12-2016 10:22PM

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Still waiting for the forms here (Waterford).

Will new entrants actually get something in the post? Or do we need to contact someone?

I got them a couple of weeks ago (cork). Got flock number earlier in the year but no sheep yet.

DJ98 · 31-12-2016 11:58PM

The options for the lowland farmer seems easier/more manageable than what the hill farmer has to do. Or maybe its just me- why cant the hill farmer prevent flystrike or control lameness.

ganmo · 01-01-2017 12:38AM

DJ98 wrote: »

The options for the lowland farmer seems easier/more manageable than what the hill farmer has to do. Or maybe its just me- why cant the hill farmer prevent flystrike or control lameness.

I reckon it's so the lads that don't see the ewes for 6 months and sell the lambs as stores are get full benifit of it

DJ98 · 01-01-2017 12:40AM

ganmo wrote: »

I reckon it's so the lads that don't see the ewes for 6 months and sell the lambs as stores are get full benifit of it

But surely if they werent seen sheep for 6 months they would be riddled with both internal and eexternal parasites?

ganmo · 01-01-2017 12:53AM

DJ98 wrote: »

But surely if they werent seen sheep for 6 months they would be riddled with both internal and eexternal parasites?

Not necessarily, the forage on the hills isn't the best for holding worms and if the sheep aren't seen for 6 months they can't record how lame they are etc

DJ98 · 01-01-2017 01:03AM

ganmo wrote: »

Not necessarily, the forage on the hills isn't the best for holding worms and if the sheep aren't seen for 6 months they can't record how lame they are etc

But thats my point, the scheme is titled- sheep welfare, but if the sheep are unseen for 6 moths well then their welfare isnt a priority, maybe im wrong, i dont farm a hill so cant say.

Sami23 · 16-01-2017 09:25PM

arctictree wrote: »

Will do the mineral supplement and fly strike here. We do it anyway so no big deal filling in the forms.

Thinking of doing the same 2 actions myself.
Just wondering will mineral buckets be sufficient for the mineral supplementation post mating action ?

charolais0153 · 16-01-2017 10:39PM

Meeting in tuam on 26th of Jan about scheme....Darren carty will be there

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-01-2017 11:00PM

Sami23 wrote: »

Thinking of doing the same 2 actions myself.
Just wondering will mineral buckets be sufficient for the mineral supplementation post mating action ?

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New Proposed Sheep Scheme

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