New Proposed Sheep Scheme

charolais0153

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

A neighbour was saying to me today that he got a letter from Dept regarding this scheme the other day and that it gave a 'reference number' on it that was less than the number of ewes he had entered for the scheme.

Did anyone else get a letter like that this week?

Ya. We got 99 rather than the hunderded and fourteen we had this year

ganmo

charolais0153 wrote: »

Ya. We got 99 rather than the hunderded and fourteen we had this year

how many did you have last year?
no letter here

charolais0153

ganmo wrote: »

how many did you have last year?
no letter here

Hundred and four

cattle man

Reference number is based on 2014-2015 average I think.

BannerBarry

cattle man wrote: »

Reference number is based on 2014-2015 average I think.

That is correct.
One can appeal should those years be abnormally low by you

Lambman

I'm the same reference number way off the mark as that was first year I went into sheep in my own flock number so bought hoggets till start and a few ewes in lamb and they only counted the ewes in lamb I bought even tho the hoggets all lambed aswell? I filled in the census that year and put the hoggets down as breeding ewes as they were running with the rams so I should get paid for them aswell??

Bleating Lamb

Lambman wrote: »

I'm the same reference number way off the mark as that was first year I went into sheep in my own flock number so bought hoggets till start and a few ewes in lamb and they only counted the ewes in lamb I bought even tho the hoggets all lambed aswell? I filled in the census that year and put the hoggets down as breeding ewes as they were running with the rams so I should get paid for them aswell??

Not sure tbh...when you say 'that year'..was it 2014 or 2015?

My neighbour only started with sheep in either 2015 or 2016....maybe that is why his figure is down do people think?

rangler1

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Not sure tbh...when you say 'that year'..was it 2014 or 2015?

My neighbour only started with sheep in either 2015 or 2016....maybe that is why his figure is down do people think?

It's simple enough,

Payment is €10 per breeding ewe. The number of allowable ewes for each participant will be calculated as the average number of ewes in their 2014 and 2015 sheep census.
The farmer is required to maintain the reference number of ewes which will form part of the inspection process
There is provision for new entrants to join where they do not have 2014/15 ewe numbers on which to base a reference number. A new entrant to this scheme is defined as an applicant who has applied for a new herd number from 1st January 2016 and before the closing date of the scheme in 2017 or an applicant with an existing herd number who has not held or traded in sheep for a two year period up to 31st October preceding the scheme year.


Considering the price of lamb this year, one thing we don't want is an influx of people into sheep farming because of this scheme

Siamsa Sessions

Lambman wrote: »

I'm the same reference number way off the mark as that was first year I went into sheep in my own flock number so bought hoggets till start and a few ewes in lamb and they only counted the ewes in lamb I bought even tho the hoggets all lambed aswell? I filled in the census that year and put the hoggets down as breeding ewes as they were running with the rams so I should get paid for them aswell??

I phoned the Dept about the same thing: not including in-lamb hoggets in their calculations.

They said they weren't old enough and that was that. But naturally I could appeal in writing. I'm starting to think that the Dept. are more than happy to generate appeals/paperwork as it gives them something to justify their existence.

Lambman

It was 15-16 I bought so say id 200 in lamb hoggets that year then do the half that because of nothing in 14-15 so 100 is the average over them 2 years? It actually fits in with with my census compared till reference number!

rangler1

Lambman wrote: »

It was 15-16 I bought so say id 200 in lamb hoggets that year then do the half that because of nothing in 14-15 so 100 is the average over them 2 years? It actually fits in with with my census compared till reference number!

I lamb 120 hoggets every year and they're not included either......be nice if they were

Lano Lynn

If the census date was moved to SFP closing date (mid may) breeding ewes and dry hogget producers could benifit.
a mid winter census date is an accountancy exersise a mid may date would reflect the industry much more accurately

Siamsa Sessions

Lano Lynn wrote: »

If the census date was moved to SFP closing date (mid may) breeding ewes and dry hogget producers could benifit.
a mid winter census date is an accountancy exersise a mid may date would reflect the industry much more accurately

Makes sense to me anyway.

And on a related matter, the Dept should clarify their description of what can be included - no point in talking about a "breeding ewe" when what they mean is a ewe that's one-year-old.

Sheep breeder

A breeding ewe is termed as a ewe that has lambed and not a ewe lamb and has being this way back to the old sheep sub,

Sheep breeder

Lano Lynn wrote: »

If the census date was moved to SFP closing date (mid may) breeding ewes and dry hogget producers could benifit.
a mid winter census date is an accountancy exersise a mid may date would reflect the industry much more accurately

Sheep census was always at the end of the year to determine the number of breeding ewes on farm prior to lambing season began and to allow sheep inspections early in the year.

Lano Lynn

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Sheep census was always at the end of the year to determine the number of breeding ewes on farm prior to lambing season began and to allow sheep inspections early in the year.

thats my point it has nothing to do with the farmers it is for the box tickers benifit.it is just a duplication of data that used to be collected in the june statisics figures all of which shuold be roled up into the SFP application.
(the surplus staff could be redepolyed,perhaps the dept of justice need some bean counters;))

Green farmer

Lano Lynn wrote: »

(the surplus staff could be redepolyed,perhaps the dept of justice need some bean counters;))

Send them down to the Glas IT section and start working on next years payments.

ganmo

Lano Lynn wrote: »

thats my point it has nothing to do with the farmers it is for the box tickers benifit.it is just a duplication of data that used to be collected in the june statisics figures all of which shuold be roled up into the SFP application.
(the surplus staff could be redepolyed,perhaps the dept of justice need some bean counters;))

The problem with that is the sfp application isn't a statutory requirement where the sheep census is a statutory requirement

Sheep breeder

Lano Lynn wrote: »

thats my point it has nothing to do with the farmers it is for the box tickers benifit.it is just a duplication of data that used to be collected in the june statisics figures all of which shuold be roled up into the SFP application.
(the surplus staff could be redepolyed,perhaps the dept of justice need some bean counters;))

If your not happy with the census form don't fill it out and when your at it don't fill the BPS and the sheep welfare form and then wait on the post man to bring you the money for doing nothing.

Username John

Sheep breeder wrote: »

If your not happy with the census form don't fill it out and when your at it don't fill the BPS and the sheep welfare form and then wait on the post man to bring you the money for doing nothing.

Tis true Sheep Breeder...

And then stop farming...

Ha ha - that'd learn him...

And let the land...

What, he could make nearly as much money letting the land and doing nothing? What?

Lano Lynn

Username John wrote: »

Tis true Sheep Breeder...

And then stop farming...

Ha ha - that'd learn him...

And let the land...

What, he could make nearly as much money letting the land and doing nothing? What?

actually would make more and tax free too boot as unencumbered by the delights of lambing,shearing,silage etc I could become non resident for tax purposes :D

Ard_MC

rangler1 wrote: »

From the area meetings, it seems that once you pass the 1st january a ewe lamb is a hogget and an eligible replacement for a dead/culled ewe.......anyone else take that from the meetings

Hi Rangler...just wondering did you get a definite answer for that..want to sell a few xbred ewes with there lambs. Have plenty dry hoggets here to cover them but just wondering will they count the hoggets if i got an inspection.

rangler1

Ard_MC wrote: »

Hi Rangler...just wondering did you get a definite answer for that..want to sell a few xbred ewes with there lambs. Have plenty dry hoggets here to cover them but just wondering will they count the hoggets if i got an inspection.

Here's the answer from departments website FAQS

'' Q. The number of ewes entered on my sheep census for 2014 and 2015 was 100 ewes each year. I keep to this number to suit facilities but drop below it at certain times during the year. For example, I might have three or four ewes scanned dry which I sell plus I generally have 10 to 15 cull ewes for selling in June. Will this affect my payment and if so do I need to notify the Department?
A. Payment in the scheme is based upon keeping the reference number of animals for the full year. If you retain your own ewe lambs then these will satisfy to replace any shortfall in ewe numbers once they reach 12 months of age.''

Ard_MC

rangler1 wrote: »

Here's the answer from departments website FAQS

'' Q. The number of ewes entered on my sheep census for 2014 and 2015 was 100 ewes each year. I keep to this number to suit facilities but drop below it at certain times during the year. For example, I might have three or four ewes scanned dry which I sell plus I generally have 10 to 15 cull ewes for selling in June. Will this affect my payment and if so do I need to notify the Department?
A. Payment in the scheme is based upon keeping the reference number of animals for the full year. If you retain your own ewe lambs then these will satisfy to replace any shortfall in ewe numbers once they reach 12 months of age.''

Thanks Rangler..

Western Pomise

Have people got a letter saying how many sheep they will get paid for in the scheme?
To best of my memory I have not got it yet.

J.O. Farmer

Western Pomise wrote: »

Have people got a letter saying how many sheep they will get paid for in the scheme?
To best of my memory I have not got it yet.

To the best of my memory I've gotten 2 letters to say that my application has been successful and they'd write soon to confirm the measures and numbers but the confirmation hasn't come yet.

Western Pomise

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

To the best of my memory I've gotten 2 letters to say that my application has been successful and they'd write soon to confirm the measures and numbers but the confirmation hasn't come yet.

Thanks,went through my 'files' there and definitely didn't get the letter with the numbers on it yet,got the one saying I was accepted to the scheme in early February,a neighbour got the letter with the numbers on it over a month ago.

What are other people's experiences?

ganmo

Western Pomise wrote: »

Have people got a letter saying how many sheep they will get paid for in the scheme?
To best of my memory I have not got it yet.

Haven't got the numbers yet.
Got the confirmation letter though

Green farmer

ganmo wrote: »

Haven't got the numbers yet.
Got the confirmation letter though

+1

Western Pomise

Well at least I'm not the only one then:)....the Depts understanding of 'sending it out shortly' must be counted in months rather than weeks!