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New Proposed Sheep Scheme

paddysdream

Surprised to find no one has mentioned the proposals for the new sheep scheme.Are the returns from sheep so good this year that it's slipped past everyone?

Looking at the options its hard not to feel that the thinking behind this (and many other schemes)is to give to the farmer and make him spend it on products and/or services that benefit the wider agri related industry.Kind of a green money laundering scheme.

Now in fairness the proposed options are not the most onerous but its the thinking behind them rather than the actual options themselves that I find a problem.Are many of these schemes planned to support farmers or, like the farm building grants of the celtic tiger era,mainly to benefit those that farmers buy from?

On an unrelated but similarly depressing theme,many on here finding that lamb thrive and kill out is pretty poor this year?Every single farmer that I have met over the last two months has the same complaint ie lambs not putting on flesh and/or killing out anything from one half to a full kilo under normal given similar live weight too last year.

Thats about my quota of depression for today thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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jfh

rangler1 wrote: »

Footrot is very infectious
We never have footrot here, but I need 150 replacement ewe lambs here every year and if we were buying them in instead of breeding them we'd have every disease and foot ailment as well.
Last time I bought in much sheep I had scab and enzootic abortion introduced into the flock, so avoid buying in now

Swore I'd put down a diping bath after last summer, although we got guy to spray we ended up bringing sheep in every week or so to spray ourselves.

Do you need to throw them in or do they go into a cage

rangler1

jfh wrote: »

Swore I'd put down a diping bath after last summer, although we got guy to spray we ended up bringing sheep in every week or so to spray ourselves.

Do you need to throw them in or do they go into a cage

Throw them in, It's a big job, they know whats going on and won't go within 10ft of the bath, I don't know how you'd fool them.
I'd imagine that they'd cop on to the cage too, a friend has a dipping bath located beside the race and they slide in from the race......probably the best I've seen , they're using the race all year and then he lets a few to the front of the race as a decoy and the rest slide down into the bath. slide is covered for the rest of the year

sea12

What's the rules for putting in a dipping tank. Do you need planning permission?

farawaygrass

Got the forms yesterday too. For the last few years we had a cheviot ram and probably 3/4 of the ewes are out of him. So they class us as a hill flock. Anyone else in the same boat? I'd prefer the lowland tbh

Green farmer

Got the forms this morning. Must decide what options to do.

orm0nd

Green farmer wrote: »

Got the forms this morning. Must decide what options to do.

ditto

in fairness to the Dept. they have made the app. form as simple as possible,

there is very little chance of making a mistake or sending back to the incorrect return ad.

nearly everybody would fly strike & lameness control in place, & again here they have them in separate categories not forcing some one to take up an option they're not presently enforcing.

a couple of minutes a few times a year would take care of the records.

Green farmer

Doing to do the lameness and fly strike options here alright. The scanning looks straight forward as well, but I don't like being dependent on whether the scanner turns up or not. Id prefer to have full control over compliance.

charolais0153

Will do lameness and scanning. We do it already just a matter of taking down a few numbers every so often

arctictree

Will do the mineral supplement and fly strike here. We do it anyway so no big deal filling in the forms. I only had 30 Ewes in the reference years though, so won't get much out of it. I've doubled my numbers for this year but unfortunately that won't count.

Sheep breeder

Will do the minerals and scanning as already bolus ewes at tupping and scan up to three times some years.

MayoAreMagic

Id like to hear more about what mineral supplementation actually consists of. Some wormers have cobalt included for example; would that be deemed acceptable for compliance? Strictly speaking it should do. Or will they be insisting that sheep are given thriver or lickblocks or something like that? It is all a little vague

sea12

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

Buford T. Justice XIX

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

You're supposed to manage the different groups differently. Triplets in a different group and fed ration earlier and housed together. Twin bearing next and fed accordingly. Singles late getting ration and less of it.

That's my understanding of it.

razor8

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

As long as you have the same number of ewes for the following years census there wouldn't be a issue selling barren ewes

rangler1

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

In the inspection they'll see that you've sold seven ewes on the department records and your register so they'll know you had the at the time of the census

eorna

Did everybody got the forms?
Nothing here yet!

Farrell

sea12 wrote: »

What happens when you scan the ewes. Can you sell the empty ones or what happens when you get an inspection. Say you put in for a hundred and had 7 empty.

Do you need a detailed report of the scanning results.
Currently I just get a receipt & dotted ewes

Username John

eorna wrote: »

Did everybody got the forms?
Nothing here yet!

I only got em the day before yesterday, so I'd say they're still en route...

sea12

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

You're supposed to manage the different groups differently. Triplets in a different group and fed ration earlier and housed together. Twin bearing next and fed accordingly. Singles late getting ration and less of it.

That's my understanding of it.

Ah I know that it was more could you sell the barren ewes. Think the guys gave answered it below. Cheers

sea12

rangler1 wrote: »

In the inspection they'll see that you've sold seven ewes on the department records and your register so they'll know you had the at the time of the census

Cheers just wondering. Was just using the numbers above as an example. As it happens I've down sized led this year and just have half the ewes of my quota for this year.

Siamsa Sessions

Still waiting for the forms here (Waterford).

Will new entrants actually get something in the post? Or do we need to contact someone?

White Clover

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Still waiting for the forms here (Waterford).

Will new entrants actually get something in the post? Or do we need to contact someone?

I got them a couple of weeks ago (cork). Got flock number earlier in the year but no sheep yet.

DJ98

The options for the lowland farmer seems easier/more manageable than what the hill farmer has to do. Or maybe its just me- why cant the hill farmer prevent flystrike or control lameness.

ganmo

DJ98 wrote: »

The options for the lowland farmer seems easier/more manageable than what the hill farmer has to do. Or maybe its just me- why cant the hill farmer prevent flystrike or control lameness.

I reckon it's so the lads that don't see the ewes for 6 months and sell the lambs as stores are get full benifit of it

DJ98

ganmo wrote: »

I reckon it's so the lads that don't see the ewes for 6 months and sell the lambs as stores are get full benifit of it

But surely if they werent seen sheep for 6 months they would be riddled with both internal and eexternal parasites?

ganmo

DJ98 wrote: »

But surely if they werent seen sheep for 6 months they would be riddled with both internal and eexternal parasites?

Not necessarily, the forage on the hills isn't the best for holding worms and if the sheep aren't seen for 6 months they can't record how lame they are etc

DJ98

ganmo wrote: »

Not necessarily, the forage on the hills isn't the best for holding worms and if the sheep aren't seen for 6 months they can't record how lame they are etc

But thats my point, the scheme is titled- sheep welfare, but if the sheep are unseen for 6 moths well then their welfare isnt a priority, maybe im wrong, i dont farm a hill so cant say.

Sami23

arctictree wrote: »

Will do the mineral supplement and fly strike here. We do it anyway so no big deal filling in the forms.

Thinking of doing the same 2 actions myself.
Just wondering will mineral buckets be sufficient for the mineral supplementation post mating action ?

charolais0153

Meeting in tuam on 26th of Jan about scheme....Darren carty will be there

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sami23 wrote: »

Thinking of doing the same 2 actions myself.
Just wondering will mineral buckets be sufficient for the mineral supplementation post mating action ?

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