El Presidente Trump

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:16PM

InTheTrees wrote:

That requires politics whatever you want to call it.

Were speaking at cross purposes. Everything he does is politics but he's not a professional politician. Christmas dinner with the extended family involves politics to avoid ww3 but that doesn't make us all politicians.

He doesn't have any notional goals about public service, party loyalty, working for constituents or implementing laws to promote anything but himself.

He's not a politician. The trump business empire now includes the presidency of the US. That doesn't make him a politician

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 08:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why do you say they wouldn't resign? A few serious swipes at democracy and it could easily happen. I'd say the most principled ones would be most likely to resign.

Because the US system is run on a system of "check and balances".

There are three branches, the Executive (Presidency), The Legislative (Congress) and the Judicial (The Supreme Court).

Their purpose is to keep a check on each other.

Why would members of the Legislative branch resign because they oppose the Executive? It is their purpose.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 08:27PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He's not a politician. The trump business empire now includes the presidency of the US. That doesn't make him a politician

This time next month he will be.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:32PM

InTheTrees wrote:

Why would members of the Legislative branch resign because they oppose the Executive? It is their purpose.

That's what happens when people are obstructed from doing their job. The really principled ones could easily resign if they are prevented from doing their job. The ones who go along with him, don't need to be changed.

Christy42 · 20-12-2016 08:34PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because the US system is run on a system of "check and balances".

There are three branches, the Executive (Presidency), The Legislative (Congress) and the Judicial (The Supreme Court).

Their purpose is to keep a check on each other.

Why would members of the Legislative branch resign because they oppose the Executive? It is their purpose.

Republicans control everything right now. Reigning in Trump would show disharmony and be them essentially admitting how bad of a candidate their primary picked.

We know many oppose his policies from the primary race. Most still endorsed in spite of Trump insulting their core values and being a horrific human being. Let's see if they have a back bone when it counts

Steve012 · 20-12-2016 08:37PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Were speaking at cross purposes. Everything he does is politics but he's not a professional politician. Christmas dinner with the extended family involves politics to avoid ww3 but that doesn't make us all politicians.

He doesn't have any notional goals about public service, party loyalty, working for constituents or implementing laws to promote anything but himself.

He's not a politician. The trump business empire now includes the presidency of the US. That doesn't make him a politician

Whaa

"Christmas dinner with the extended family involves politics to avoid ww3" ?!?

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:41PM

Christy42 wrote:

Republicans control everything right now. Reigning in Trump would show disharmony and be them essentially admitting how bad of a candidate their primary picked.

After the sh1t show of a primary campaign and the disunity at the convention, numerous politicians saying hey couldn't support trump, others who said how terrible a human being he is before saying they would vote for him. The time for a facade of unity is long passed. GOP support is already looking like capitulation rather than unit.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:42PM

Steve012 wrote:

"Christmas dinner with the extended family involves politics to avoid ww3" ?!?

The difference between politics and being a politician

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 08:43PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Republicans control everything right now. Reigning in Trump would show disharmony and be them essentially admitting how bad of a candidate their primary picked.

We know many oppose his policies from the primary race. Most still endorsed in spite of Trump insulting their core values and being a horrific human being. Let's see if they have a back bone when it counts

Agreed. The balance is finer in the senate. 46/52 with 2 ind's.

Trump will need to court the conservative senators.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:50PM

InTheTrees wrote:

Agreed. The balance is finer in the senate. 46/52 with 2 ind's.

I thought you needed 60 votes to avoid filibuster.

ebbsy · 20-12-2016 09:42PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Christy42 wrote:

Republicans control everything right now. Reigning in Trump would show disharmony and be them essentially admitting how bad of a candidate their primary picked.

After the sh1t show of a primary campaign and the disunity at the convention, numerous politicians saying hey couldn't support trump, others who said how terrible a human being he is before saying they would vote for him. The time for a facade of unity is long passed. GOP support is already looking like capitulation rather than unit.

Don't be so silly. GOP are united, have majorities all over the shop and are winning electons, recounts, not to mention yesterday.

It's all good.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 10:45PM

ebbsy wrote:

Don't be so silly. GOP are united, have majorities all over the shop and are winning electons, recounts, not to mention yesterday.

Oh no. When the you're strong and the opposition is in disarray, the criticism comes from your own side. Criticism from your own side stings more. The party is probably the most effective opposition to Trump. The party is fcuked

A Little Pony · 20-12-2016 11:18PM

Does Michael Moore ever have a day off? He said the other day Trump has no right in the White House, he just won the general election you pillock, what the f*ck is he on about? I can't believe some of the crap I have been reading coming out of this guys mouth recently.

Its as if he lives in a different world and doesn't care for the election result.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 11:48PM

Now that the us and Russia are on better terms, will Russia stop incursions to its west?

What would happen if it was going to invade western Ukraine? Would Trump oppose him? Trump's foreign minister has a lifetime at ExxonMobil and has always opposed to sanctions.

Would Trump mind his own business or would he get to tough with Putin?

Renegade Mechanic · 21-12-2016 01:57AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Now that the us and Russia are on better terms, will Russia stop incursions to its west?

What would happen if it was going to invade western Ukraine? Would Trump oppose him? Trump's foreign minister has a lifetime at ExxonMobil and has always opposed to sanctions.

Would Trump mind his own business or would he get to tough with Putin?

Ukraine can get a lot more dirt cheap Rouble for its Hvyrna than it can Euros. They had a better thing going in trade with the Russians. All the EU wanted was 27 cents an hour labour to move their companies to, new land, resources, people and currency to convert, to back up the trillion+ euros they were printing.
It had less than nothing to do with the good of the people there. And that was before the currency was rendered essentially worthless.

As it stands, they've stirred up enough **** with the "rebels" they built up to keep sections of the industry heavy east and maintain possession of their only Mediterranean access port. Very necessary moves for a country facing dire economic straights.

ECO_Mental · 21-12-2016 02:22AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does Michael Moore ever have a day off? He said the other day Trump has no right in the White House, he just won the general election you pillock, what the f*ck is he on about? I can't believe some of the crap I have been reading coming out of this guys mouth recently.

Its as if he lives in a different world and doesn't care for the election result.

Well some people say! (as the lads in fox would say

) that he actually didn't win the popular vote by a good few million! So in THEORY the majority of the US population don't want him as president.... Now I might be wrong there but I don't think so.

Also he got a little help from a few of his buddies over there in Russia to help him win the election. One or two people are a small bit upset about that for some reason, can't see why they would be upset that a foreign government would conduct cyber warfare on the election process totally natural really nothing to see here. I won bigly so F you.

N.B I respect he won the electoral college and that's they way ye vote. But you have to respect that the MAJORITY of Americans didn't want him as president and that's a fact.

InTheTrees · 21-12-2016 04:15AM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

N.B I respect he won the electoral college and that's they way ye vote. But you have to respect that the MAJORITY of Americans didn't want him as president and that's a fact.

I believe he won the presidency with support from less than 20% of eligible voters.

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El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 08:02AM

Renegade Mechanic wrote:

Ukraine can get a lot more dirt cheap Rouble for its Hvyrna than it can Euros. They had a better thing going in trade with the Russians. All the EU wanted was 27 cents an hour labour to move their companies to, new land, resources, people and currency to convert, to back up the trillion+ euros they were printing. It had less than nothing to do with the good of the people there. And that was before the currency was rendered essentially worthless.

Renegade Mechanic wrote:

As it stands, they've stirred up enough **** with the "rebels" they built up to keep sections of the industry heavy east and maintain possession of their only Mediterranean access port. Very necessary moves for a country facing dire economic straights.

Interesting points but i think you're talking past what I said again.

What would Trump do if Putin moves west again?

ebbsy · 21-12-2016 08:04AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

ECO_Mental wrote: »

N.B I respect he won the electoral college and that's they way ye vote. But you have to respect that the MAJORITY of Americans didn't want him as president and that's a fact.

I believe he won the presidency with support from less than 20% of eligible voters.
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I believe people who lose and then complain about the rules should take a good look at themselves and say well maybe this ain't for me.

ebbsy · 21-12-2016 08:07AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does Michael Moore ever have a day off? He said the other day Trump has no right in the White House, he just won the general election you pillock, what the f*ck is he on about? I can't believe some of the crap I have been reading coming out of this guys mouth recently.

Its as if he lives in a different world and doesn't care for the election result.

Ignore Moore, he is a complete moron. Along with De Niro and Bono etc.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 08:28AM

ebbsy wrote:

I believe people who lose and then complain about the rules should take a good look at themselves and say well maybe this ain't for me.

That was rumps plan if the list. That's his plan whenever he loses. Mexican judges can't judge him properly, it's all a fix. Sound familiar?

ECO_Mental · 21-12-2016 08:44AM

ebbsy wrote: »

I believe people who lose and then complain about the rules should take a good look at themselves and say well maybe this ain't for me.

If you read my post properly I said " i respect" that he won the EC but I was just stating the fact that the majority of the population don't want him as their Pres. That's a fact not a complaint!

It's Trump that is complaining that there are millions of fraudulent illegal votes some where out there, because his ego can't stand the fact he didn't win the popular vote.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 08:55AM

ECO_Mental wrote:

It's Trump that is complaining that there are millions of fraudulent illegal votes some where out there, because his ego can't stand the fact he didn't win the popular vote.

And it gives the appearance of tackling voter fraud while completely ignoring the hacks and fake news interference which was probably done by Russia to help him get elected.

Hank Scorpio · 21-12-2016 09:19AM

Trump said that because Stein/Clinton were challenging recounts trying to undermine the election.

i.e. If you want to play dirty I will too. Fair game.

I just find it so hypocritical with the fake news garbage when pretty much all the MSM were openly colluding with Clinton's campaign. People were fired over it when it got exposed.

Russia this, Russia that. Look at what a crap corrupt candidate Hillary was instead of making excuses.

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HellSquirrel · 21-12-2016 09:21AM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

If you read my post properly I said " i respect" that he won the EC but I was just stating the fact that the majority of the population don't want him as their Pres. That's a fact not a complaint!

It's Trump that is complaining that there are millions of fraudulent illegal votes some where out there, because his ego can't stand the fact he didn't win the popular vote.

Wouldn't worry too much about being misconstrued - ebbsy and a couple of the others will gleefully take any opportunity they can to interrupt the conversation by accusing anyone who doesn't worship Trump of being "salty" or whatever the current accusation de jour is. I assume that because there is just so much mud on the man that there's no denying it all, so the safest option is a quick attack (hence my ignore list eventually got populated for the first time out of this thread!)

At least they've got enough self-awareness to have given up on the safe space nonsense after Trump ruined that for them. :pac:

Igotadose · 21-12-2016 09:25AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Trump said that because Stein/Clinton were challenging recounts trying to undermine the election.

Doesn't matter. Trump won, now he's filled his cabinet with kleptocrats, wants to compromise American institutions like civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, free assembly, right to abortion, ... I think as of today, this thread should agree no more mention of the election or any candidates - it's over. It's all about Trump now.

Can't wait till he cancels the J1 program and deports all those Irish that have taken advantage of it, likewise rounds up the illegal Irish immigrants. Maybe there'll be a wall around Boston. All within the realm of possibilities President-elect Trump has articulated.

Though, if he cancels the H1B program or severely curtails it, that'll be fine by me. I wonder if Trump's meetings with the Amazon/Microsoft/... others talked about not touching that wage-depressing scam.

Plus I'm looking forward to raising the retirement age to 69 or 70 or whatever it is Paul Ryan's talking about, and reducing SS benefits and Medicare benefits. That Part D thing is a budget-busing scam, needs to go. Old people don't need those luxurious benefits when there's working class Americans dying for lack of medical care.

HellSquirrel · 21-12-2016 09:28AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Interesting points but i think you're talking past what I said again.

What would Trump do if Putin moves west again?

He'd insist that there was "no way, folks, no way Putin is going into Ukraine again. You can mark it down, people, while I'm in the White House, Putin won't be going into Ukraine."

He'd still be saying it by the time Russia reabsorbed Latvia! Which could potentially happen if the gleeful destruction derby have their way and the European project collapses. They'll be thrilled...up to the point that they realise that some of them live in European countries which are now suffering financial hardship, and that politically they are on the wrong side of a Europe/America | Russia/China world balance of power. When America is busy hating itself Iand ignoring NATO) and Europe is floundering, does anyone really think that China and Russia won't build a better relationship and also that Russia won't expand again?

Hank Scorpio · 21-12-2016 09:28AM

How is he comprising freedom of press and speech exactly?

Wasn't it Hillary and others who forced a law so they can decide what stories appear on peoples social feeds?

HellSquirrel · 21-12-2016 09:30AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

How is he comprising freedom of press and speech exactly?

Wasn't it Hillary and others who forced a law so they can decide what stories appear on peoples social feeds?

Did you miss the bit where he was talking about throwing the libel laws "wide open" (ignoring that he doesn't seem to be entirely sure what he's talking about) to - and this is his actual plan - sue journalists who say things he doesn't like and "make lots of money".

-That- is suppressing the freedom of the press.

Facebook marking false news as fake and dropping it in the sidebar is not.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2016 09:34AM

Hank Scorpio wrote:

I just find it so hypocritical with the fake news garbage when pretty much all the MSM were openly colluding with Clinton's campaign. People were fired over it when it got exposed.

You're solving your own problem there. If a MSM person gets caught being pro Clinton they got fired. If a fake news person gets caught making up fake news about Clinton to favour Trump, they got paid. It's not equal.

I don't think anyone thinks American news is anything more than reality tv. Entertainment masquerading as Jews a a bad thing. It gets stupid people involved I. Politics but it needs to give it to them in reality TV format - a goodie and a baddie. Both fox news and NBC are joke news and should be fixed.

But fake news is an entirely new category. Instead of the news getting better, it's getting worse. The only good thing is that it got the low information voters engages. It just happens gat low information voters prefer pretend news they can understand over real news they can't understand.

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