El Presidente Trump

Hank Scorpio · 20-12-2016 04:58PM

paleoperson wrote: »

They have a whole complex about intelligence, equating it with it being "right".

Agree. Safe spaces, cry rooms, coloring books, play doh rooms on campuses. These are things for toddlers not adults. Not everyone gets a medal! That's life.

Trump winning may be the first time they've been hit with reality and the shock horror surprise that not everyone agrees with them.

Jelle1880 · 20-12-2016 05:23PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Agree. Safe spaces, cry rooms, coloring books, play doh rooms on campuses. These are things for toddlers not adults. Not everyone gets a medal! That's life.

Trump winning may be the first time they've been hit with reality and the shock horror surprise that not everyone agrees with them.

That's rather funny since it seems to be the Trump fans in this thread that can't take any criticism on their big leader

Remember his talk about how a theater was supposed to be a 'safe space' ?

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 05:33PM

paleoperson wrote:

They have a whole complex about intelligence, equating it with it being "right". For example liberals in America are more likely to have gone to university than conservatives, so they think this makes them right. I've on many occasions even seen non college-educated being referred to as uneducated. I'm pretty sure that old people in their 40s+ have more of a clue about the world than 22 year olds who went to college. It's bizarre.

Education teaches you to tell the difference between a good/bad source of info. That's why fake news worked better on Trump's supporters than Hillary's.

If you know the difference between a fake news story and don't care about the reality TV coverage of the election, then you're not likely to click on a fake news story.

If you're less educated or clever, enjoy the reality TV election coverage and don't care to read 500 words about a topic before making up your mind, there's a great chance you'll click on a fake news story rather than a real news story.

That's why it matters. There's no point in avoiding the topic. The demographics are there to see. Less educated people voted for trump (similar to brexit). The arguments relied mostly on appeals to emotion and were simple understand.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 05:39PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's rather funny since it seems to be the Trump fans in this thread that can't take any criticism on their big leader
Remember his talk about how a theater was supposed to be a 'safe space' ?

And just wait until after jan19th. The honeymoon will be over.

This isnt some abstract concept like brexit.

In his first 100 days, he's raising the retirement age to 69, cutting pensions and old age healthcare, this will directly effect the "low information" voters who supported him.

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Renegade Mechanic · 20-12-2016 05:41PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's rather funny since it seems to be the Trump fans in this thread that can't take any criticism on their big leader
Remember his talk about how a theater was supposed to be a 'safe space' ?

Yeah and everyone focused oh that, going "ahhh gotchaaaaa DrrrrrummpfffKKKtler needs a safe space haaaa!
While the ****er was quietly paying off 25 million in a fraud case.

I've ended up respecting his ability to do that tbh. And I chuckle sovietly whenever someone says we're the ones being played like fiddles.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 05:42PM

Last saturdays snl. It looks like alec baldwins secured himself a job for the next four years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ar80sFzViw

Professor Moriarty · 20-12-2016 05:42PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

And just wait until after jan19th. The honeymoon will be over.

This isnt some abstract concept like brexit.

In his first 100 days, he's raising the retirement age to 69, cutting pensions and old age healthcare, this will directly effect the "low information" voters who supported him.

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It will be interesting to see who he blames.

Renegade Mechanic · 20-12-2016 05:45PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Last saturdays snl. It looks like alec baldwins secured himself a job for the next four years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ar80sFzViw

I can never look at Alec Baldwin as trump and not laugh tbh. Easily the best pisstake of the man. And Burr is right. He's more believable as Trump than Trump is as Trump, it's feckin great

Christy42 · 20-12-2016 05:47PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Yeah and everyone focused oh that, going "ahhh gotchaaaaa DrrrrrummpfffKKKtler needs a safe space haaaa!
While the ****er was quietly paying off 25 million in a fraud case.

I've ended up respecting his ability to do that tbh. And I chuckle sovietly whenever someone says we're the ones being played like fiddles.

But you have no issue with him paying off the fraud case?

Nah who cares. He was your "team" so who two if he is getting one over the opposing team.

Trust me. We haven't forgotten about the fraud cases. Or about the fact that he has made zero moves to put his assets into a blind trust. Or the fact that his cabinet is just a load of rich people about that do whatever makes them money.

Of course who cares as long they are on your team.

The post you quote was a direct response to Hank's repeated statements that they dislikes liberal safe spaces while ignoring the fact that Trump needs a massive one around himself (maybe some sort of wall...)

Billy86 · 20-12-2016 05:55PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Last saturdays snl. It looks like alec baldwins secured himself a job for the next four years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ar80sFzViw

He's apparently told Trump he'll stop doing it when Trump releases his tax returns. :pac:

Never would have thought it before 30 Rock with all the action/thriller stuff he did in his heyday, but Baldwin is absolutely f***ing hilarious.

Renegade Mechanic · 20-12-2016 05:57PM

Christy42 wrote: »

But you have no issue with him paying off the fraud case?

Nah who cares. He was your "team" so who two if he is getting one over the opposing team.

Trust me. We haven't forgotten about the fraud cases. Or about the fact that he has made zero moves to put his assets into a blind trust. Or the fact that his cabinet is just a load of rich people about that do whatever makes them money.

Of course who cares as long they are on your team.

The post you quote was a direct response to Hank's repeated statements that they dislikes liberal safe spaces while ignoring the fact that Trump needs a massive one around himself (maybe some sort of wall...)

He's not on "our" team any more than Clinton or the R8 supercar driving Sanders is on yours, FFS.

A lot of the "reaction" you're seeing around America now could be summed up rather darkly and uncomfortably to the single fact that the Bavarian Ashkenazi beat the Hungarian Ashkenazi's puppets and toys to the Whitehouse and possibly to the control of the Federal Reserve, and said Hungarian Ashkenazi is now super mad.
But where's the fun in that?
It's nicer to pretend we matter, I suppose.

Trent Houseboat · 20-12-2016 06:00PM

Professor Moriarty wrote:

It will be interesting to see who he blames.

Nobody. His supporters will cheer about how much of genius he is for doing so. The only choice they have is to continue to support him or have Hitlary come in and boil the skin from the bones to make hew stew. What good is the heath insurance he's getting rid of then?

You don't seem to understand that in both his and his supporter's eyes he can do no wrong.
How often do you see blatantly untrue missives from the Donald repeated on here as though they had the remotest of relationships with the truth?

KingBrian2 · 20-12-2016 06:03PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

He's not on "our" team any more than Clinton or the R8 supercar driving Sanders is on yours, FFS.

A lot of the "reaction" you're seeing around America now could be summed up rather darkly and uncomfortably to the single fact that the Bavarian Ashkenazi beat the Hungarian Ashkenazi's puppets and toys to the Whitehouse and possibly to the control of the Federal Reserve, and said Hungarian Ashkenazi is now super mad.
But where's the fun in that?
It's nicer to pretend we matter, I suppose.

Once again religion plays a huge part. Pres Obama said that Americans are religiously segregated on days they go to Church and how they vote. The evangelicals who supported Trump about 20% of the population were loyal followers of Bush even after 8 years of him as President due to his religion.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 06:06PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It will be interesting to see who he blames.

Enough Senate republicans are now demanding increased sanctions against russia over the election tampering tat he will have to make a deal, i'm sure the senate will cave in but they'll want something in return.

trump also has to get his cabinet nominations past the senate which will require some work on his part. Tillerson? He's appointing the CEO of Exon Mobil as sec of state?? Confirmation is generally a rubber stamp so it will get passed but there's going to be some interesting hearings. This is all new territory for the United States, there hasnt been a presidency like this before.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 06:11PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The evangelicals who supported Trump about 20% of the population were loyal followers of Bush even after 8 years of him as President due to his religion.

Bush is practically a lay minister compared to thrice married casino owner trump. You could barely tear him out of church.

Anyway, i'm sure melania will do great in her role as first lady hosting all the religious groups who will be visiting the white house. ha ha ha ha.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 06:14PM

InTheTrees wrote:

In his first 100 days, he's raising the retirement age to 69, cutting pensions and old age healthcare, this will directly effect the "low information" voters who supported him.

I'll believe it when I see it.
The advantage with low information voters is that they are less likely to actually look into it to see what effect his policy decision has on the world around them.

Take brexit as an example. Anyone who looks into how brexit gas impacted economic projections will know that brexit is bad for the UK economy. Ironically, anyone who looks into those things was more likely to vote remain to begin with.

The low information voters won't look into the impact of the referendum and when they are negatively affected in the future, they will just blame it on the most visible object at the time - current government, foreigners etc.

I'll be very surprised if Trump start his presidency with unpopular decisions. With that said, he needs to get his supporters used to arguing against their own interest.

As with all things Trump, I'll believe it when I see it

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 06:17PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Nobody. His supporters will cheer about how much of genius he is for doing so. The only choice they have is to continue to support him or have Hitlary come in and boil the skin from the bones to make hew stew. What good is the heath insurance he's getting rid of then?

The way US politics works is that hillary is out at this point. She holds no public office, there's no second chance she wont be running again. So nobody is looking to clinton for leadership, she's back home walking the dogs.

Its up to the democratic party to organise opposition, and that'll be lead by the DNC and the house Democratic leadership.

Professor Moriarty · 20-12-2016 06:21PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Nobody. His supporters will cheer about how much of genius he is for doing so. The only choice they have is to continue to support him or have Hitlary come in and boil the skin from the bones to make hew stew. What good is the heath insurance he's getting rid of then?

You don't seem to understand that in both his and his supporter's eyes he can do no wrong.
How often do you see blatantly untrue missives from the Donald repeated on here as though they had the remotest of relationships with the truth?

I agree. He'll alienate, burn, borrow and frack the sh1t out of the good ole USA thus ensuring the greedy piggies, that his cabinet represents, keep their snouts in the trough a little longer.

Then he'll leave a stinking heap of crap for whoever comes next. All the time, the useful idiots will continue to believe that he's making America great again. You can't fix stupid.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 06:24PM

Professor Moriarty wrote:

Then he'll leave a stinking heap of crap for whoever comes next.

You mean his children?

I know this sounds sensationalist but it's not in his nature to give away power. I cant see him simply stepping aside. I imagine he will do everything in his power to keep the presidency after his 8 years or at least try to get one of his children in after him to continue his presidency.

Renegade Mechanic · 20-12-2016 06:29PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You mean his children?

I know this sounds sensationalist but it's not in his nature to give away power. I cant see him simply stepping aside. I imagine he will do everything in his power to keep the presidency after his 8 years or at least try to get one of his children in after him to continue his presidency.

Well we were on our way to our third Bush at one point, so it's not an unproven tactic!

Professor Moriarty · 20-12-2016 06:33PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You mean his children?

I know this sounds sensationalist but it's not in his nature to give away power. I cant see him simply stepping aside. I imagine he will do everything in his power to keep the presidency after his 8 years or at least try to get one of his children in after him to continue his presidency.

8 years? Say it ain't so.

I'd believe anything at this stage, given that the gutless GOP has rowed in behind him.

scamalert · 20-12-2016 06:38PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Well we were on our way to our third Bush at one point, so it's not an unproven tactic!

he hasn't even taken office yet,thus 0 accomplishments,and even later who knows what he will do or mess up,to be thinking that far,since he already point blank rolled over on many of his points,cant imagine him doing much in 100 days but that will be either smth or total deal breaker if he wont get jobs rolling-since his main selling point was to bring back economy,well at least thats the argument id imagine most people would of given to vote for him.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 06:46PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote:

Well we were on our way to our third Bush at one point, so it's not an unproven tactic!

True with the Bushs. But the presidency is just one part of the trump's property now. I think he'll no more give away the presidency than give away Trump tower.

He doesn't have a political party or any loyalty a country or higher goals like democracy or any ideals or morals. He's not a politician so why would he play by the rules of politics?

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 07:08PM

Professor Moriarty wrote:

I'd believe anything at this stage, given that the gutless GOP has rowed in behind him.

The GOP are terrified of him. He doesn't belong to either party but somehow the republicans are n the position of having to back him.

Trump's in a position where if the parties oppose him, he could put them both down as the opposition and he could run as an independent in 4 years. Democracy demands that Obama accepts the opposition to everything he does. Trump doesn't care about democracy

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 07:19PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He's not a politician so why would he play by the rules of politics?

Because there's enough senate republicans right now demanding sanctions against russia for the election tampering, that together with senate democrats they could block his cabinet appointments.

One way or another trump will be a politician after jan 19th.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 07:31PM

InTheTrees wrote:

Because there's enough senate republicans right now demanding sanctions against russia for the election tampering, that together with senate democrats they could block his cabinet appointments.

That is a really good test. He doesn't want to investigate, let alone allow sanctions, on Russia. If the republicans cave in on that issue, I think. It's a rare sign that all bets are off and he could create a dynasty in the US.

I know it hasn't been proven that Russia was behind the hacks, but isn't it fascinating that Trump doesn't even seem curious about it? He keeps saying it could be China or a 400lb loser... At the same time he still goes on about illegal immigrant voter fraud. That alone is an indication that he was in control of/benefited from the hacks and fake news.

I think there is no way he will allow any investigation or sanctions against Russia. It wouldn't suit him.

I wonder if republicans will resign over it. If they do, he can act to fill their seats with trump loyalists rather than republicans or democrats.

InTheTrees wrote:

One way or another trump will be a politician after jan 19th.

In title only

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 07:57PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I wonder if republicans will resign over it. If they do, he can act to fill their seats with trump loyalists rather than republicans or democrats.

No. GOP senators arent going to be resigning because they oppose trump. The senate are a headstrong group very different from the house of representatives.

If in the extremely unlikely even that a US senator resigned I think its up to the Governor from their home state to appoint a replacement.

InTheTrees · 20-12-2016 07:59PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In title only

First he has to get his cabinet appointments past the senate.

That requires politics whatever you want to call it.

Christy42 · 20-12-2016 08:01PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

He's not on "our" team any more than Clinton or the R8 supercar driving Sanders is on yours, FFS.

A lot of the "reaction" you're seeing around America now could be summed up rather darkly and uncomfortably to the single fact that the Bavarian Ashkenazi beat the Hungarian Ashkenazi's puppets and toys to the Whitehouse and possibly to the control of the Federal Reserve, and said Hungarian Ashkenazi is now super mad.
But where's the fun in that?
It's nicer to pretend we matter, I suppose.

You were the one cheering hI'm distracting people from his flaws like it was a good thing.

I admit Sanders and Clinton's flaws (though Sanders has never said people shouldn't be rich so his car is ok in my books) but I don't cheer them if I feel they have gotten away without proper scrutiny on something.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-12-2016 08:04PM

InTheTrees wrote:

No. GOP senators arent going to be resigning because they oppose trump. The senate are a headstrong group very different from the house of representatives.

Why do you say they wouldn't resign? A few serious swipes at democracy and it could easily happen. I'd say the most principled ones would be most likely to resign.

InTheTrees wrote:

If in the extremely unlikely even that a US senator resigned I think its up to the Governor from their home state to appoint a replacement.

I didn't know that but it just means you need leverage over one person (the governor ) to get the replacement you want.

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