Smoke a doobie man.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 01:30PM

xabi wrote: »

Have to laugh at all the stone heads on facebook sharing all the 'evidence' about weed curing all sorts of conditions and calling for legalisation. If it's ever legalised here they're in for a shock as it will be CBD which won't get you high.

Yep. There's other natural substances with potential for curing disease but they don't share any info about those things.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 01:33PM

It's like any mind altering substance. Some people are fine on it and some people are total cabbages and slobs and tend to stay that way. They were naturally inclined to laziness to start with and the drug accentuates that. And the worst kind of smoker is the paranoid kind.

It's when they drive that worries me.

Stonedpilot · 17-12-2016 01:34PM

All this no harm in it talk is nonsense. Like anything pleasurable it is addictive and most people smoke in in joints rolled up with amber leaf or some other cheap tobacco and that isn't doing favors either. Have seen people addicted to it and it can take over their life's and the whole day is revolved around 'blazing' or being stoned. Joint in the morning, before bed, in the afternoon at weekends, at events, to sleep, to laugh etc etc etc.

I'll all for people taking it if they want but to say there is no harm at all in cannabis is a ludicrous argument. Guaranteed right now as you read this the length and breath of Ireland some people are smoking weed at home in their rooms basically wasting their day. Sleepy stoned people don't want to do much!.
Everyone knows alcoholics will spend their last cent on booze, but happens with weed too. Lads spending their last €50 on a €50 bag. Happens all the time, rural Ireland is full of cannabis addiction, simply can't be described any other way. Ask them to go a week without a joint?!.

17-12-2016 01:35PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yep. There's other natural substances with potential for curing disease but they don't share any info about those things.

Isn't CBD already legal here?

Saw some health crowd selling it on Facebook the other day...

Help!!!! · 17-12-2016 01:41PM

Why not open government run cafe shops where its the only legal place to buy but you have to smoke on the premises like Amsterdam but the profits go to the HSE.

Help!!!! · 17-12-2016 01:44PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

All this no harm in it talk is nonsense. Like anything pleasurable it is addictive and most people smoke in in joints rolled up with amber leaf or some other cheap tobacco and that isn't doing favors either. Have seen people addicted to it and it can take over their life's and the whole day is revolved around 'blazing' or being stoned. Joint in the morning, before bed, in the afternoon at weekends, at events, to sleep, to laugh etc etc etc.

I'll all for people taking it if they want but to say there is no harm at all in cannabis is a ludicrous argument. Guaranteed right now as you read this the length and breath of Ireland some people are smoking weed at home in their rooms basically wasting their day. Sleepy stoned people don't want to do much!.
Everyone knows alcoholics will spend their last cent on booze, but happens with weed too. Lads spending their last €50 on a €50 bag. Happens all the time, rural Ireland is full of cannabis addiction, simply can't be described any other way. Ask them to go a week without a joint?!.

Thats usually because all they can get is skunk. Some normal marijuana & you get a mellow buzz, carry on with your day & no paranoia

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 01:48PM

Fieldog wrote: »

Isn't CBD already legal here?

Saw some health crowd selling it on Facebook the other day...

No idea!

Help!!!! · 17-12-2016 01:51PM

Fieldog wrote: »

Isn't CBD already legal here?

Saw some health crowd selling it on Facebook the other day...

Well theres a .ie website selling it so must be

The Bishop Basher · 17-12-2016 02:11PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We want to ban smoking completely by 2025.

Tobacco and Cannabis are gone. And good fcuking riddence to both.

It's a little naive to think that banning anything will somehow remove it from society cause it won't. Whatever you try and ban will be just as readily available as when it was legal only it now it'll be costing the state money as opposed to generating revenue and that revenue will now be in the hands of criminal gangs as opposed to the state. It's a lose lose scenario for us.

It's completely illogical that we blindly follow this failed "war on drugs" while continuing to applaud ourselves for being forward thinking with things like the smoking ban but we continue to follow this farce of a policy because that's what happens when we keep voting for school teachers with zero real life experience to make our laws.

That aside, what are your thoughts on alcohol and prescription drugs ?

Both kill far more people, particularly when combined, every year across the globe then marijuana does. I would agree that it's not harmless when smoked but there are plenty of other ways to consume it and eliminate that risk. I also agree it can be addictive for some people but then we also have high levels of addiction and abuse of both alcohol and prescription medication. Also the societal problems caused by alcohol are indisputable with abuse, rape and violent crime all being attributed in many cases to the consumption of alcohol.

So given that both alcohol and prescription drugs have far more reaching and negative consequences for society and according to the statistics are for more dangerous for us then marijuana, i'm assuming you want them banned too yeah ?

_Kaiser_ · 17-12-2016 02:24PM

The only argument I ever see for legalising this is that the stuff is out there anyway, the war on drugs is lost, and comparisons to alcohol - coupled with stuff about getting rid of the harmful strains of it as additional justification.

It's usually also always by the younger late teens - 30s crowd who of course this would directly benefit as many of them induldge regularly themselves.

Unfortunately though there's the wider impact to consider - on the health system and other people who are forced to interact with these intoxicated people. Sure, some may just be "pleasantly buzzed" but what about those who do it to excess, or who become paranoid or maybe violent? Someone above mentioned people driving while on these things and that magnifies the risks and dangers to themselves and others hugely.

In short I don't see that the benefits of allowing the younger generation to get legally stoned outweigh the costs and risks to the rest of society I'm afraid (and I post this as someone who's only in his early 40s himself, but grew up in an area where the ill-effects of alcoholism and drug use were very damaging to that environment and the people involved)

pablo128 · 17-12-2016 02:32PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We want to ban smoking completely by 2025.

Tobacco and Cannabis are gone. And good fcuking riddence to both.

Both of those substances are natural products which you could grow in your back yard. They are not going anywhere.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 02:35PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

All this no harm in it talk is nonsense. Like anything pleasurable it is addictive and most people smoke in in joints rolled up with amber leaf or some other cheap tobacco and that isn't doing favors either. Have seen people addicted to it and it can take over their life's and the whole day is revolved around 'blazing' or being stoned. Joint in the morning, before bed, in the afternoon at weekends, at events, to sleep, to laugh etc etc etc.

I'll all for people taking it if they want but to say there is no harm at all in cannabis is a ludicrous argument. Guaranteed right now as you read this the length and breath of Ireland some people are smoking weed at home in their rooms basically wasting their day. Sleepy stoned people don't want to do much!.
Everyone knows alcoholics will spend their last cent on booze, but happens with weed too. Lads spending their last €50 on a €50 bag. Happens all the time, rural Ireland is full of cannabis addiction, simply can't be described any other way. Ask them to go a week without a joint?!.

I've been asked for cannabis by a couple of friends, who insist I seem like I'd smoke it?! They don't like it when I say no, I haven't got any and I don't use it.

The way they ask makes my skin crawl. They are hooked and they need the fix. For some people it is a serious addiction.

Free Falling · 17-12-2016 02:52PM

It's always 'fun' to interact with heavy pot smokers. They all seem to think they have some special insight into hidden knowledge that you don't have despite them struggling to string a few sentences together.

Harmless my ass!

Rumpy Pumpy · 17-12-2016 03:01PM

The best argument against legalisation is either looking at or listening to a stoner advocating its legalisation.

The Cannabis News Ireland facebook group is little more than a group of sickly looking student stoners trying to justify their addiction by lumping it in with some fairly dubious research about some of the medical uses of the drug. Stoners always have that sickly and slightly vacant look in their face. Coupled with the long drawl in their voice and the shambolic dress sense and you have a very strong argument for why you wouldn't want this stuff readily available to young people.

pablo128 · 17-12-2016 03:01PM

Free Falling wrote: »

It's always 'fun' to interact with heavy pot smokers. They all seem to think they have some special insight into hidden knowledge that you don't have despite them struggling to string a few sentences together.

Harmless my ass!

Well its better than heavy drinkers, fighting, puking, stumbling out of the pub into the bookies etc.

But that's acceptable because the State are getting their tax cut out of it.

scamalert · 17-12-2016 03:32PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

The best argument against legalisation is either looking at or listening to a stoner advocating its legalisation.

The Cannabis News Ireland facebook group is little more than a group of sickly looking student stoners trying to justify their addiction by lumping it in with some fairly dubious research about some of the medical uses of the drug. Stoners always have that sickly and slightly vacant look in their face. Coupled with the long drawl in their voice and the shambolic dress sense and you have a very strong argument for why you wouldn't want this stuff readily available to young people.

Good argument,but isnt it already more then readily available,ask any teenager and bet out of 10 there will be 2-3 who will have connect.Also does anyone know if full house is pimped out for growing how much a year net worth income do gangs get -old documenaries are about 100-300k a year pounds.

if it was legal at some time in future many laws would need to be changed from workplaces to driving,testing,securing etc.
But the crap argument that it needs more research or thats its worse then alcohol/tobacco when both kill more is useless,id rather say there isnt any clear plan how to control it,thus government cant be bothered legalizing it,maybe at some time possession will be dropped,but legal status is decades away.So only benefits are for gangs who profit,and end users who smoke crap knows what's mixed into it.

17-12-2016 04:47PM

I used to smoke a bit when I was younger and don't touch it now but I definitely think it should be legal. It certainly isn't harmless but that wouldn't be my argument for legalising it anyway.

Stonedpilot · 17-12-2016 05:29PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Thats usually because all they can get is skunk. Some normal marijuana & you get a mellow buzz, carry on with your day & no paranoia

Alot of weed sold in Ireland is crap. Ah each to their own but I've had wasted weekends/weeks etc on the stuff. Looking back enjoy the high but was it worth it?. Meh.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 05:38PM

I wonder if it's something that could be done in safe moderation though would that remove some of the risks? Like if you're a heavy drinker you're likely to end up dead early due to liver failure or other organs failing. Heavy smokers are likely to die from lung cancer or other smoking releated illness. Marijuana is surely the same if done heavily it's gonna mess with you more than an occasional thing. I haven't tried it before but I do occasionally drink but can't imagine it being much worse if I was to replace occasional drinks with occasional joints.

17-12-2016 05:48PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

I wonder if it's something that could be done in safe moderation though would that remove some of the risks? Like if you're a heavy drinker you're likely to end up dead early due to liver failure or other organs failing. Heavy smokers are likely to die from lung cancer or other smoking releated illness. Marijuana is surely the same if done heavily it's gonna mess with you more than an occasional thing. I haven't tried it before but I do occasionally drink but can't imagine it being much worse if I was to replace occasional drinks with occasional joints.

http://i.imgur.com/vHFr8Z5.png

It's a sign.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 05:50PM

Good god

That's just absolutely amazing tbh. My 420th post was starting a thread about weed. BAHA

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 05:51PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Well its better than heavy drinkers, fighting, puking, stumbling out of the pub into the bookies etc.

But that's acceptable because the State are getting their tax cut out of it.

People drink as well as smoke cannabis. I've not met one who only smokes cannabis.

GerB40 · 17-12-2016 05:56PM

Widdershins wrote: »

People drink as well as smoke cannabis. I've not met one who only smokes cannabis.

From my experience smoke tends to be used mostly during the week, drink usually takes precedence at the weekend.

pablo128 · 17-12-2016 06:06PM

Widdershins wrote: »

People drink as well as smoke cannabis. I've not met one who only smokes cannabis.

Well you have now. Hello. I'm Pablo.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 06:09PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Well you have now. Hello. I'm Pablo.

You're some kind of menace no doubt.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 06:12PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Well you have now. Hello. I'm Pablo.

Just making the point that legalising cannabis won't make a difference to the number of people with drink problems as some use both drink and cannabis already. I didn't say there are no people who only use cannabis.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 06:14PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Just making the point that legalising cannabis won't make a difference to the number of people with drink problems as some use both drink and cannabis already. I didn't say there are no people who only use cannabis.

Hmm. Yes you kind of did

Widdershins wrote: »

People drink as well as smoke cannabis. I've not met one who only smokes cannabis.

Widdershins · 17-12-2016 06:15PM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Hmm. Yes you kind of did

No. I said I. Have. Not. Met. One

Meaning I know plenty who use both.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 06:19PM

Widdershins wrote: »

No. I said I. Have. Not. Met. One

Meaning I know plenty who use both.

Yes but it was implied you meant the former that people use both.

The Bishop Basher · 17-12-2016 06:31PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Stoners always have that sickly and slightly vacant look in their face. Coupled with the long drawl in their voice and the shambolic dress sense.

Free Falling wrote: »

They all seem to think they have some special insight into hidden knowledge that you don't have despite them struggling to string a few sentences together.

All you've done is throw out a few classic stereotypes which have very little basis in reality..

Even calling them stoners is a little cringy tbh.. I don't think i've met a "stoner" since the 80's. I suppose they buy it from drug pushers too :rolleyes:

The truth is you're very likely dealing with people who consume marijuana every day and in all aspects of your life. It could be your postman, your doctor, your local Garda or the local shopkeeper. Of course you don't know they consume it because they don't match the stereotype that you learned from the media all those years ago, but they do and they're doing it in their droves..

I assume neither of you drink alcohol given your tough stance on consuming drugs.

Smoke a doobie man.

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