Smoke a doobie man.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 04:39AM #1

Bit ridiculous it's still illegal when you think about it. I was of the persuasion that it should be but thinking more about it, is it really that bad, marijuana like? When you consider that alcohol would make one likely much more aggressive in excess and a few joints and most people are melting butter.

I am not high either before anyone asks.

deco nate · 17-12-2016 04:54AM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Bit ridiculous it's still illegal when you think about it. I was of the persuasion that it should be but thinking more about it, is it really that bad, marijuana like? When you consider that alcohol would make one likely much more aggressive in excess and a few joints and most people are melting butter.

I am not high either before anyone asks.

Your post says otherwise...

(read the first few lines back)

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 05:03AM

deco nate wrote: »

Your post says otherwise...

(read the first few lines back)

I'm too tired to comprehend the issue. I'm sure I'll understand better tomorrow.

Stigura · 17-12-2016 05:27AM

Doubt this thread will still be open 'Tomorrow'

But, yeah; I managed to give up the drink. Then smoking, anything. Now, I've slipped back to drinking. This all over a life time scale.

In all honesty? If I could get hold of some of this top quality CBD Tincture? (And yes, I Do happen to have a widely qualifying condition) I'd probably not be pounding my liver as I am now.

" Smoke " though? Why? 'Western' smoking tends to bring in baccy. F**k that. If we can sort out non lethal methods ~ like tinctures and so forth ~ then that's bound to seep into the 'leisure' user side of things.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-12-2016 05:35AM

Tobacco smoking is known to cause cancer. Legal.

Marijuana smoking is known to cause cancer. Illegal

What gives?

Let people do what they want to their bodies.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 05:49AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tobacco smoking is known to cause cancer. Legal.

Marijuana smoking is known to cause cancer. Illegal

What gives?

Let people do what they want to their bodies.

I believe the cancer is usually caused by people mixing it with tobacco to smoke it.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-12-2016 06:02AM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

I believe the cancer is usually caused by people mixing it with tobacco to smoke it.

No it's not. Cannabis smoking is the very same as tobacco smoking, inhaling a carcinogenic into the lungs and then exhaling.

The difference lies in that Cannabis smokers don't abuse the drug to the same extent that tobacco smokers do.

You obviously don't get high off tobacco. It's a little fix, which can become very important to a user. I used fags for nearly ten years before I went on the vapour.

Atari Jaguar · 17-12-2016 06:11AM

The vapour?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-12-2016 06:13AM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

The vapour?

E-Cigarettes.

lazybones32 · 17-12-2016 06:13AM

Maybe a bit of grass is no worse than a pint but there is a lot of different strains that give a cerebral buzz and can make you trip.
My sister and I used to ingest hash - sprinkled on toast and nutella. Takes longer to kick in but you're stoned for ages with no waste; no lung damage and no hot-rock burns on clothes, car seats, etc.

I do believe smoke is a gateway drug and is addictive. I introduced some lads to smoke and some of them haven't moved on from it - 20 years later.

GerB40 · 17-12-2016 06:42AM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Maybe a bit of grass is no worse than a pint but there is a lot of different strains that give a cerebral buzz and can make you trip.
My sister and I used to ingest hash - sprinkled on toast and nutella. Takes longer to kick in but you're stoned for ages with no waste; no lung damage and no hot-rock burns on clothes, car seats, etc.

I do believe smoke is a gateway drug and is addictive. I introduced some lads to smoke and some of them haven't moved on from it - 20 years later.

It's an indirect gateway drug in the sense that you need to buy it from drug dealers and dealers often sell more than just smoke. If you take the dealer out of the equation then it's very unlikely that just smoking alone will spur you on to take harder stuff. Of course people starting smoking weed or hash for the first time might be curious about the harder stuff but that's their own curiosity (which is normal for beginner smokers) not the fault of the smoke itself.

I'm a recovering alcoholic and smoking the odd bit of weed really helped me get through the initial withdrawals. Now I smoke on very seldom occasions, maybe a joint or two every couple of months. It helped me when I needed it and it didn't turn me into a stoner. Taking the dealers out of the equation is the key for some civil discourse on this subject.

Alf Stewart. · 17-12-2016 09:24AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSX5m1ed-ko

Skin up. Rotation.

xabi · 17-12-2016 09:29AM

Have to laugh at all the stone heads on facebook sharing all the 'evidence' about weed curing all sorts of conditions and calling for legalisation. If it's ever legalised here they're in for a shock as it will be CBD which won't get you high.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 09:38AM

Oh just legalise it already, bloody boring argument

NIMAN · 17-12-2016 09:47AM

See no harm in it, most of us have tried the odd one in our younger days, when out partying etc.

But when you are still on them in your 40s and 50s, you really need to catch yourself on.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 10:04AM

NIMAN wrote:

But when you are still on them in your 40s and 50s, you really need to catch yourself on.

Ah I'm not sure about that, plenty of people still drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, consume foods that they probably shouldn't, etc etc. What's the difference?

andekwarhola · 17-12-2016 10:32AM

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

I'm too tired to comprehend the issue. I'm sure I'll understand better tomorrow.

Over 12 bags of pickled onion monster munch and 7 bottles of Jolt cola.

Vinculus · 17-12-2016 10:58AM

I find a teeny tiny, ridiculously small bit of weed, smoked in a pipe or vaped gives you a very pleasant buzz with out locking you to the couch and ruining any chance of doing anything productive.
The amount I used to put in a spliff when I was half my age, will now last me weeks.

kneemos · 17-12-2016 11:17AM

Last thing we need is another legalised intoxicant.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 11:42AM

kneemos wrote: »

Last thing we need is another legalised intoxicant.

are our current laws working regarding these issues?

kneemos · 17-12-2016 11:45AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

are our current laws working regarding these issues?

Getting prosecuted for doing something illegal is hardly a reason for legalising it.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 11:48AM

kneemos wrote: »

Getting prosecuted for doing something illegal is hardly a reason for legalising it.

theres no proof that the 'war on drugs' has any real positive effects on reducing drug use globally, in fact in my almost 40 years of life, it looks like to me that this problem is slowly getting worse.

we all know portugal legalised drugs 14 years ago, and we all know it has lead to social collapse, hasnt it?

kneemos · 17-12-2016 12:23PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres no proof that the 'war on drugs' has any real positive effects on reducing drug use globally, in fact in my almost 40 years of life, it looks like to me that this problem is slowly getting worse.

we all know portugal legalised drugs 14 years ago, and we all know it has lead to social collapse, hasnt it?

It's a legal loophole in Spain,they can't prosecute for home grown produce.
The Spanish aren't given to drinking till they fall over either.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwi4z9e6jfvQAhVFCcAKHRlfBDIQFggmMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmassroots.com%2Fblog%2Flooking-for-cannabis-in-spain-look-no-further&usg=AFQjCNGyyIfJaLctPXfuiD1KfgJLSDunTw

daRobot · 17-12-2016 12:30PM

It's coming anyway. Maybe 10 years, 20 years max.

California has legalised it for recreational use, and I think that will spur on a lot of places to examine its legal status.

I'm not a smoker, so it's not going to effect me either way, but as it stands, the market is flooded with the alcohol eqivalent of nasty home brew spirits, and that's why you see so much more mental health issues than say the 80's, when straight moroccan hash was being imported.

What you have available here today are plants that were cultivated for maximum 'bang for buck' as in extremely high THC, low CBD.

Now if someone was drinking home brew vodka everyday, you expect them to have more mental health issues than someone having a beer or two each evening. So is the same true for the current cannabis available to the Irish user - nasty, damaging stuff.

Legalisation would literally kill that type of junk overnight, along with that synthetic stuff which is literally poision.

The product is being consumed 'en masse' anyway, so my approach would be one of harm reduction by taking the nastiest, most damaging stuff off the market.

The flip side is that more will likely be exposed to it, were it to be legalised. But, they have the option of knowing what they're buying and can make an informed decision.

I would also imagine that the huge tax intake it would bring, would be more than helpful in offsetting any increased costs to the health services by an increase in use.

It also massively reduces enforcement costs, with ordinary people being taken to court for personal use which, given some of the things that are going on in the country in the criminal justice system, is just farcial.

It also takes a decent chunk out of criminal wealth in the country. It may not be their most profitable product, but it's the most widely consumed.

With no skin in the game, and not being a smoker myself, I genuinely feel the positives outweigh the negatives.

But we don't really have forward thinking people in positions of power here, so it will probably take the British to act first before it can become palatable to the blinkered folk who can't see past their simplistic "drugs are bad, mkay" stance.

NIMAN · 17-12-2016 12:33PM

Every country in the world would benefit if they legalised and controlled the supply of drugs, rather than spending money foolishly trying to combat them, as its an unwinnable 'war'.

Ireland lead the world with a smoking ban, pity we couldn't get a Dutch or Portugese attitude to drugs and ignore any bad publicity that legalising drugs might bring, cos it would be the right thing to do.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-12-2016 12:40PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Every country in the world would benefit if they legalised and controlled the supply of drugs, rather than spending money foolishly trying to combat them, as its an unwinnable 'war'.

Ireland lead the world with a smoking ban, pity we couldn't get a Dutch or Portugese attitude to drugs and ignore any bad publicity that legalising drugs might bring, cos it would be the right thing to do.

We want to ban smoking completely by 2025.

Tobacco and Cannabis are gone. And good fcuking riddence to both.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 12:41PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We want to ban smoking completely by 2025.

Tobacco and Cannabis are gone. And good fcuking riddence to both.

hahaha no they re not, never will be either. theyre here now and thats it

NIMAN · 17-12-2016 12:43PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We want to ban smoking completely by 2025.

Tobacco and Cannabis are gone. And good fcuking riddence to both.

Couldnt agree more, but people will always want to smoke, be it standard cigarettes or cannabis.
An outright ban will not help people lose this will, so thats why I think it would be wise for the Gov to control it and take any revenue from it (instead of the criminal gangs).

TimRiggins · 17-12-2016 01:10PM

The health benefits are out there for everyone to see. Anybody who denies them is just narrow minded and deluded.

AND getting stoned is awesome too. Its a win win.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2016 01:16PM

TimRiggins wrote: »

The health benefits are out there for everyone to see. Anybody who denies them is just narrow minded and deluded.

AND getting stoned is awesome too. Its a win win.

ah id question the 'health benefits' but more research is definitely required and i am convinced that some 'alternative medicines' are more beneficial to society as a whole

TimRiggins · 17-12-2016 01:21PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah id question the health benefits but more research is definitely required and i am convinced that some 'alternative medicines' are more beneficial to society as a whole

There are examples of people suffering serious illnesses who had their symptoms improved by smoking it. Pretty damning examples too.

Smoke a doobie man.

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