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Road issues that irritate me.......

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  • #872
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, yesterday morning at 7:45am in the dark I was driving in the fairly heavy traffic up Booterstown Avenue and a motorcyclist was driving immediately in front of me. All of a sudden he skidded and hit the ground. I don't know why but I beeped the man instinctively and he put his hand up in acknowledgment. There was a time I would instinctively have got out to see if he was OK, but I always seem to be under time pressure now so I do feel crappy about that. Thankfully I wasn't driving up his backside or he would have been more seriously injured. Curiously about two months ago a similar incident also happened: a cyclist was cycling immediately in front of me and he fell off his bike on to the road. Same thing: if I had been driving closer to him he would have been more seriously injured.

    Lesson: Give cyclists and motorcyclists more space in front of you.


  • #873
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So, yesterday morning at 7:45am in the dark I was driving in the fairly heavy traffic up Booterstown Avenue and a motorcyclist was driving immediately in front of me. All of a sudden he skidded and hit the ground. I don't know why but I beeped the man instinctively and he put his hand up in acknowledgment. There was a time I would instinctively have got out to see if he was OK, but I always seem to be under time pressure now so I do feel crappy about that. Thankfully I wasn't driving up his backside or he would have been more seriously injured. Curiously about two months ago a similar incident also happened: a cyclist was cycling immediately in front of me and he fell off his bike on to the road. Same thing: if I had been driving closer to him he would have been more seriously injured.

    Lesson: Give cyclists and motorcyclists more space in front of you.

    what are the odds? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057681351


  • #874
    NiallBoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not enough flashing by Irish drivers!

    It happens time and time again.

    "Is he letting me out" or is he not? indecision follows ......

    No flash, but maybe the slightest hint of a finger movement on the steering wheel???

    It's very wishy washy & not a clear signal at all, so maybe he is gesturing for me to come out of that parking bay, or maybe he's just rubbing his finger along the steering wheel? it's hard to say (specially with the sun so low in the sky at this time of year).

    So my message to Irish drivers is "If you are going to let another driver out of a side turning or out of a parking space, then give a crystal clear signal that you wish them to procede". Personally I always give 'one clear flash' and so the other driver completes his manoeuvre, then acknoledges me with a couple of winks of his hazzards . . . .

    They're happy, I'm happy, Sorted.

    This attitude does my ****ing nut in.

    Don't flash*

    Just follow the rules. One of you has right-of-way. Use it.

    No decisions. No indecision. No wondering. No misunderstandings. No danger. Quicker in the long run.


    *(unless you want to warn of danger)


  • #875
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not enough flashing by Irish drivers!

    It happens time and time again.

    "Is he letting me out" or is he not? indecision follows  ......

    No flash, but maybe the slightest hint of a finger movement on the steering wheel???

    It's very wishy washy & not a clear signal at all, so maybe he is gesturing for me to come out of that parking bay, or maybe he's just rubbing his finger along the steering wheel? it's hard to say (specially with the sun so low in the sky at this time of year).

    So my message to Irish drivers is "If you are going to let another driver out of a side turning or out of a parking space, then give a crystal clear signal that you wish them to procede". Personally I always give 'one clear flash' and so the other driver completes his manoeuvre, then acknoledges me with a couple of winks of his hazzards . . . .

    They're happy, I'm happy, Sorted.
    Anyone who's done advanced driver training will not give you a signal. In advanced training, you are told to give way and be courteous, but let the other driver take responsibility for their own decision about when to proceed. If you indicate for them to go ahead and something happens that you didn't expect, it could be your problem.


  • #876
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    This attitude does my ****ing nut in.

    Don't flash*

    Just follow the rules. One of you has right-of-way. Use it.

    No decisions. No indecision. No wondering. No misunderstandings. No danger. Quicker in the long run.

    I've been driving since the early 80s without a crash or mishap (I'm a very safe & courteous driver), so I'm sorry to say that I disagree with you 100%.


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  • #877
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I've been driving since the early 80s without a crash or mishap (I'm a very safe & courteous driver), so I'm sorry to say that I disagree with you 100%.

    Beckoning to others during your driving test can mean an automatic failure. What does that tell you about flashing "instructions" to others? ;)


  • #878
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    Beckoning to others during your driving test can mean an automatic failure. What does that tell you about flashing "instructions" to others? ;)

    It tells me that when learning to drive you should not signal or indicate to other drivers, other then by using ones indicators. And if that's what it says in the rule book then one must obey that rule.

    As a seasoned old goat, the scenario I am talking about (the one that irritates me) is wherby you are in slow moving or stationary at a junction & facing oncoming traffic, you wish to turn right and the question is will they let me go, or not? you see a vague gesture behind the windscreen (maybe a wave) of the finger? but no clear signal, do you go, or do you wait for a definitive signal like a flash!

    All to often you wait, they wait, you edge out a little, they move a little, will they won't they? are they beckoning to me? I'm not sure > Oh for God's sake just give a flash and be clear about it... this, all in about 10 seconds.

    Its the vague finger gesture on the wheel, or the suggestion of a wave that irritates me.
    Its so unclear and wishy washy.

    That's my experienced opinion.

    I'll say no more.


  • #879
    chewed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭chewed


    Diagonal jaywalkers! It's bad enough having jaywalkers cross in front of you, but when they do it slowly and walk diagonally....Very irritating!


  • #880
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Had to drive behind a particularly painful individual yesterday as we negotiated a number of roundabouts.
    Basically, if there was a car at any other arm of the roundabout, they were staying put. They would literally wait for the entire roundabout to clear before proceeding.
    On the third roundabout, they actually started to come to a stop on the circulatory carriageway as a car approached one of the arms. I had to blast my horn at them to prevent them yieldingly to the other vehicle.
    I truly despair that people like this are on the roads inflicting themselves on fellow road users.


  • #881
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    people that wont use ghost islands when turning right.
    how hard is it to see that the box is there for you so that your not holding up traffic.


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  • #882
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,519 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    people that wont use ghost islands when turning right.
    how hard is it to see that the box is there for you so that your not holding up traffic.
    Worse still are the ones that do, but then when the light goes red, they stay there stuck in the middle of the junction getting in the way.


  • #883
    RiderOnTheStorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    ...Basically, if there was a car at any other arm of the roundabout, they were staying put. They would literally wait for the entire roundabout to clear before proceeding...


    A LOT of drivers don't know how a roundabout works. My dad does this and it p1sses me off. I have said it to him several times, but his reply is "I know how a roundabout works, but I'm not sure everyone else does! " How do you argue with that....


  • #884
    D3V!L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    Drivers who think they're Jedi's waving at pedestrians or other users to do things and then get annoyed to the point of rage when they dont do what they think they should be doing.


  • #885
    london bus 200
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11 ✭london bus 200


    car drivers who Won't let busses out into traffic :mad::mad::mad:


    HELLO!!!!, SOME OF US ARE ON A SCHEDULE :mad:


  • #886
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Think it was mentioned already but, drivers joining dual carriageways doing 70kph. Doesn't matter if theres 100-200m of slip road either, MUST join immediately :mad:
    My work commute involves a 120kph stretch of road, some arrive onto that road at insanely dangerous slow speeds.


  • #887
    NiallBoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I've been driving since the early 80s without a crash or mishap (I'm a very safe & courteous driver), so I'm sorry to say that I disagree with you 100%.

    So...Because you learned how to drive when road fatalities were several times what they are now it means that you know what's best?

    Having never crashed doesn't mean that you have the best approach. It means you're lucky.

    Even those who never crash cause them.

    Be predictable. Don't make the rules up on the spot.


  • #888
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Think it was mentioned already but, drivers joining dual carriageways doing 70kph. Doesn't matter if theres 100-200m of slip road either, MUST join immediately :mad:
    My work commute involves a 120kph stretch of road, some arrive onto that road at insanely dangerous slow speeds.

    This.
    Drives me nuts,even on N roads I see people pulled in on the hard shoulder perhaps to take a call or whatever then they indicate and pull out onto the road at a glacial speed while traffic travelling at 100kph bears down on them. How hard is it to build up a bit of speed before merging?


  • #889
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    LordSutch wrote: »
    It tells me that when learning to drive you should not signal or indicate to other drivers, other then by using ones indicators. And if that's what it says in the rule book then one must obey that rule.

    As a seasoned old goat, the scenario I am talking about (the one that irritates me) is wherby you are in slow moving or stationary at a junction & facing oncoming traffic, you wish to turn right and the question is will they let me go, or not? you see a vague gesture behind the windscreen (maybe a wave) of the finger? but no clear signal, do you go, or do you wait for a definitive signal like a flash!

    All to often you wait, they wait, you edge out a little, they move a little, will they won't they? are they beckoning to me? I'm not sure > Oh for God's sake just give a flash and be clear about it... this, all in about 10 seconds.

    Its the vague finger gesture on the wheel, or the suggestion of a wave that irritates me.
    Its so unclear and wishy washy.

    That's my experienced opinion.

    I'll say no more.

    It's nothing to do with 'learning to drive'. It is just bad driving practice.

    What can happen is that the other driver gives you the signal to proceed without checking their wing mirror for cyclists or motorbikers, steering you right into a collision situation.

    Don't flash or wave - just give way if it makes sense, and let the traffic flow.


  • #890
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    My missus is an Aussie. We were watching telly and the advert came on where they are showing what lane you should be in when you are on a roundabout.

    She watched the advert and then said to me that you'd never see an advert like that in Australia.

    "Why not" says I.

    To which she replied "If you don't know what lane to be in on a roundabout, you wouldn't be fcuking driving".

    Can't argue with that logic.


  • #891
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with 'learning to drive'. It is just bad driving practice.

    Don't flash or wave - just give way if it makes sense, and let the traffic flow.

    OK so it looks like there is a lot of opposition to giving a flash (to let people out), but I always looked upon it as a courteous gesture in rush hour to ease the flow, but I guess I'v been wrong all along.
    (bad habbit I probably picked up in England).

    Incedentally just this morning I was attempting to cross a busy road and an oncoming car gave a quick 'flash' from about twenty metres away so that I could cross, then as I crossed I raised my arm in thanks.

    Was he also wrong?


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  • #892
    seachto7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    RayM wrote: »
    Impatient people who flash their lights at me when I'm doing 100 km/h (which, quite frankly, is fast enough for anyone) in the fast lane on the M50.

    In these cases, I usually take my foot off the accelerator to pi55 them off even more.


  • #893
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Was he also wrong?

    Common sense is key here. All you need is one dumb fcuk to cause an accident. Herself was only telling me this morning about her friends elderly parents. They were driving in the RH lane of the Belgard road, when the person in the LH lane stopped to let a car out. This car pulled across the 2 lanes, hitting the elderly couples car and spinning it onto the opposite side of the road.

    Luckily they were OK.


  • #894
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with 'learning to drive'. It is just bad driving practice.

    What can happen is that the other driver gives you the signal to proceed without checking their wing mirror for cyclists or motorbikers, steering you right into a collision situation.

    Don't flash or wave - just give way if it makes sense, and let the traffic flow.

    Anyone who pulls out into traffic just because someone flashed them out is an idiot.

    A driver who flashes you is letting you know that they're leaving you a gap to get out, nothing more than that. They're not predicting what every other road user is going to do. It's still your responsibility to make sure the road is clear.


  • #895
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Allinall


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Common sense is key here. All you need is one dumb fcuk to cause an accident. Herself was only telling me this morning about her friends elderly parents. They were driving in the RH lane of the Belgard road, when the person in the LH lane stopped to let a car out. This car pulled across the 2 lanes, hitting the elderly couples car and spinning it onto the opposite side of the road.

    Luckily they were OK.

    That in no way is the fault of the driver who stopped to let the other car out.

    100% of the blame lies with the guy entering the main road without making sure the way was clear.


  • #896
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    I can allow for most silly behaviour and adapt my driving as required
    But there is one particular breed of idiot whose car should be seized and crushed.

    They are the fools who won't get out of the way of emergency vehicles under blue lights or who pull out into the path of an emergency vehicle.

    When you are driving your own private car and someone drives out in front of you it is annoying.When you are in an emergency vehicle and some unfortunate is depending on you and you have a loo- la drift out in front of you or some fool dawdling along who won't pull out of the way - that is in a different league.


  • #897
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Incedentally just this morning I was attempting to cross a busy road and an oncoming car gave a quick 'flash' from about twenty metres away so that I could cross, then as I crossed I raised my arm in thanks.

    How do you know why they are flashing you?

    Take your pick of the scams involving flashing others!

    http://tinyurl.com/j9mdj7e

    http://tinyurl.com/kxryag6

    http://tinyurl.com/p9wz6nrDon't let someone else drive your car for you - especially if they are not in your driving seat!


  • #898
    Riva10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭Riva10


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So you don't see this kind of stuff happening routinely?

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxVG0aF2gIg0K8BZ4lwn_wQ/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0

    There are none so blind as those who will not see :P


  • #899
    gammygils
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,569 ✭✭✭✭gammygils


    When someone shoots out in front of me from a side road or side street (especially when there's nothing behind me) and then apply the brakes
    and crawl up the road! I mean WTF!
    This totally gets on my wick! Just because they're too lazy to change down to 1st gear. I give these cuntz lights at this stage! Jesus!


  • #900
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I've been driving since the early 80s without a crash or mishap (I'm a very safe & courteous driver), so I'm sorry to say that I disagree with you 100%.

    I have never crashed either but I have been crashed into. It's other peoples lack of safety and courtesy I worry about.


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  • #901
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I have never crashed either but I have been crashed into. It's other peoples lack of safety and courtesy I worry about.

    As I said previously "OK so it looks like there is a lot of opposition to giving a flash (to let people out), but I always looked upon it as a courteous gesture in rush hour to ease the flow, but I guess I'v been wrong all along. (bad habbit I probably picked up in England)".

    Hopefully we can leave the flashing at that & move on.


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