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  • #3152
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Amazing how despite all their privilege white men in Ireland die substantially younger than white women, work typically much longer hours and much later into their life and commit suicide in far higher numbers. Might avail of the aul sex change if it gets me an extra decade or so.

    That's not the same thing, at all. It's a privileged position in terms of your place in society. That doesn't mean all straight white men have it easy. The fact you work longer hours and later in life is of your own doing. Historically men are the ones who go to work and pay the bills, women stay home and raise the kids. Given we've all bought into the modern Ireland of two cars, big house, several sun holidays a year etc. I'd expect those figures to balance out in the next few decades.


  • #3153
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    That's not the same thing, at all. It's a privileged position in terms of your place in society. That doesn't mean all straight white men have it easy. The fact you work longer hours and later in life is of your own doing. Historically men are the ones who go to work and pay the bills, women stay home and raise the kids. Given we've all bought into the modern Ireland of two cars, big house, several sun holidays a year etc. I'd expect those figures to balance out in the next few decades.

    I truly hope you can see the startling hypocrisy in this post.


  • #3154
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I truly hope you can see the startling hypocrisy in this post.

    I don't. You'll have to point it out to me.


  • #3155
    Teferi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I said "white male" in relation to how it's a privileged position to be in. To say you can't know what it's like to be discriminated against because you're a man would be inaccurate. As IBF pointed out men are often discriminated against but it's never for just being a man, it's for being a gay man, or a black man, or a Muslim man etc.

    You're not answering my question.

    Traditionally, Ireland hasn't institutionalised racism against PoC and seeing that 97% of the population is white it would hard to classify it as a 'privilege'. Plenty of casual racism mind and we could increase support to non-EU migrants, but we've never really institutionalised anything like the US.

    With that in mind, answer my question:

    When you say 'White Man' why does race come into in the context of Ireland for the reasons I outlined above?


  • #3156
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Teferi wrote: »
    You're not answering my question.

    Traditionally, Ireland hasn't institutionalised racism against PoC and seeing that 97% of the population is white it would hard to classify it as a 'privilege'. Plenty of casual racism mind and we could increase support to non-EU migrants, but we've never really institutionalised anything like the US.

    With that in mind, answer my question.

    Clearly I don't understand what you're asking then. I've done my best to explain my use of the term in this conversation and in the wider sense. If it's not the answer you're looking for there's nothing more I can do.


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  • #3157
    swiwi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bar-worker-who-slipped-in-pigeon-droppings-at-heuston-station-awarded-25k-35287670.html

    :rolleyes:


  • #3158
    Teferi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Clearly I don't understand what you're asking then. I've done my best to explain my use of the term in this conversation and in the wider sense. If it's not the answer you're looking for there's nothing more I can do.

    I mean, I don't know how I can make a question simpler than:

    When you say 'White Man' why does race come into it in the context of Ireland for the reasons I outlined above?

    So I don't think it's my fault you don't or won't understand.

    Perhaps ideologies you subscribe to require further examination.


  • #3159
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bar-worker-who-slipped-in-pigeon-droppings-at-heuston-station-awarded-25k-35287670.html

    :rolleyes:

    Probably irrelevant but I see she's a smoker. Courts shouldn't award money for accidents to people who willingly poison themselves.


  • #3160
    Felix Jones is God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Probably irrelevant but I see she's a smoker. Courts shouldn't award money for accidents to people who willingly poison themselves.

    Do you drink....add salt to your food....drink diet cola...any of these and many more would mean that nobody would ever win a monetary award again


  • #3161
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Teferi wrote: »
    I mean, I don't know how I can make a question simpler than:

    When you say 'White Man' why does race come into it in the context of Ireland for the reasons I outlined above?

    So I don't think it's my fault you don't or won't understand.

    Perhaps ideologies you subscribe to require further examination.

    I've already explained why I used the term in this conversation. My answer clearly isn't the one you want it to be.


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  • #3162
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    Do you drink....add salt to your food....drink diet cola...any of these and many more would mean that nobody would ever win a monetary award again

    Definitely wouldn't have a hope if you willingly played rugby!


  • #3163
    Teferi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I've already explained why I used the term in this conversation. My answer clearly isn't the one you want it to be.

    No, it's because you're not making sense.

    You brought up race, I questioned it and explained why being 'white' in Ireland isn't a privilege and then you changed tact to gender and attempted to equate it to race in some manner.


  • #3164
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Felix Jones is God wrote: »
    Do you drink....add salt to your food....drink diet cola...any of these and many more would mean that nobody would ever win a monetary award again

    None of these things are the same as smoking. Except drinking alcohol at an unhealthy level. Bottom line is most of these people shouldn't be getting pay outs anyway. Maybe this one can keep her pay out to cover her medical costs when she's got emphysema or throat cancer, save the state a few grand.


  • #3165
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Teferi wrote: »
    No, it's because you're not making sense.

    You brought up race, I questioned it and explained why being 'white' in Ireland isn't a privilege and then you changed tact to gender and attempted to equate it to race in some manner.

    I explained why I brought up race in the conversation I was having. You weren't happy with that answer. Nothing more I can do.


  • #3166
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bar-worker-who-slipped-in-pigeon-droppings-at-heuston-station-awarded-25k-35287670.html

    :rolleyes:

    Did she get any injuries other than a bit of a bruise?


  • #3167
    Teferi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I explained why I brought up race in the conversation I was having. You weren't happy with that answer. Nothing more I can do.

    And I explained why it was pure nonsense.

    I see this is going in circles so I'll just leave it there.


  • #3168
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Definitely wouldn't have a hope if you willingly played rugby!

    If you played any sport and were prevented from doing so by an accident that was someone else's fault then it would probably stand to your case.


  • #3169
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Teferi wrote: »
    And I explained why it was pure nonsense.

    I see this is going in circles so I'll just leave it there.

    Sure.


  • #3170
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    If you played any sport and were prevented from doing so by an accident that was someone else's fault then it would probably stand to your case.

    On what ground exactly do you think someone who smokes or drinks should not be awarded compensation due to an accident? Is it not the fact they are willingly engaging in unhealthy practices?


  • #3171
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    On what ground exactly do you think someone who smokes or drinks should not be awarded compensation due to an accident? Is it not the fact they are willingly engaging in unhealthy practices?

    She slipped on some poo and what? Got a bruise? So she thinks she's entitled to a pay out. Meanwhile she is doing actual damage to her own health by choice. Why should a company or individual have to shell out for injuries caused to someone who is injuring themselves on an ongoing basis?

    If you're trapped under a wall that collapsed because a builder did a half arsed job and nobody bothered to check it then sure, the fact you smoke is irrelevant. If you slip on some pigeon poo in what is essentially an outdoor work space, it's not the same thing.


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  • #3172
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I feel like I could say the sky is blue and someone would disagree with me today. Best to take a break.


  • #3173
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    She slipped on some poo and what? Got a bruise? So she thinks she's entitled to a pay out. Meanwhile she is doing actual damage to her own health by choice. Why should a company or individual have to shell out for injuries caused to someone who is injuring themselves on an ongoing basis?

    If you're trapped under a wall that collapsed because a builder did a half arsed job and nobody bothered to check it then sure, the fact you smoke is irrelevant. If you slip on some pigeon poo in what is essentially an outdoor work space, it's not the same thing.

    I'm shocked you don't see the point of my post?


  • #3174
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I feel like I could say the sky is blue and someone would disagree with me today. Best to take a break.

    well it's night time so it's actually black

    :pac:


  • #3175
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Teferi wrote: »
    No, it's because you're not making sense.

    You brought up race, I questioned it and explained why being 'white' in Ireland isn't a privilege and then you changed tact to gender and attempted to equate it to race in some manner.
    Teferi wrote: »
    And I explained why it was pure nonsense.

    I see this is going in circles so I'll just leave it there.

    There are ways of writing posts that are constructive, and then there are the above. Please refrain from being so dismissive in your posts - telling people their view is pure nonsense is not constructive and is inflammatory.


  • #3176
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Sooooo.....episode 5 of peaky blinders last night.

    God it's good. The accents are all over the place but Cillian Murphy has some screen presence. The scenes with "nidge" were great (Tom V L).

    Cinematography is excellent. All in all it's a thumbs up here.


  • #3177
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Sooooo.....episode 5 of peaky blinders last night.

    God it's good. The accents are all over the place but Cillian Murphy has some screen presence. The scenes with "nidge" were great (Tom V L).

    Cinematography is excellent. All in all it's a thumbs up here.

    Didn't realise it was back. Am still on season 2!


  • #3178
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Didn't realise it was back. Am still on season 2!

    I'm on season 1!! That's me in a nutshell Venjur....about 3 years behind the curve!!


  • #3179
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's a great show. Sam Neil's accent is terrible but other than that it's fantastic.


  • #3180
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,075 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Never got into Peaky Blinders, watched first 5 episodes of Season 1 and found myself bored
    I get the appeal but not for me

    The next show I'm look forward to is season 3 of Better Call Saul, should be out end of February :)


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  • #3181
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    First two seasons of Peaky Blinders were fantastic. The third season really started to struggle and went off the rails. I gave up after a few episodes.


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