Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

scudzilla · 03-12-2016 04:58AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Why would I need to read it?

Why would he want to, or need to get out of his UFC contract to have a fight with Mayweather?

$100mill +

StringerBell · 03-12-2016 05:04AM

ardinn wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Very good.

Both your responses to my post have been stellar in fact, one telling me to read an article I am already aware of in terms of its main point (The Ali Act theory) and another with the most beloved smilie on the website.

Bravo.

StringerBell · 03-12-2016 05:05AM

scudzilla wrote: »

$100mill +

He would make the money with the blessing of the UFC though, they would be taking a slice of the overall pie (the event) also. They wouldn't be averse to turning down free money either

Again, biggest potential stumbling block for them imo would be reaching an agreement with Showtime.

ardinn · 03-12-2016 05:08AM

StringerBell wrote: »

License in California means pretty much zero in regards to fighting Mayweather.

This line states his licence in california mean nothing - if you were aware of the ali act then you are contradicting yourself as the reason he went to cali was for this very reason.

Im not here to become one of the mindless idiot keyboard warriors that so frequent this thread. I simply pointed out that the licence in cali does not mean pretty much zero!

You then went on to say you didnt read it and why should you!

Bill hicks "whatya readin fooor??" springs to mind!

Starokan · 03-12-2016 05:17AM

I hope all the talk of both of them fighting is just hype. Given the money involved McGregor would be crazy to not do it if it's a possibility but it just smacks of a corny exhibition at the moment , it's a bit like the best greyhound racing the best horse , both are brillant in their codes but why go against each other , if it's all about the money then fair enough but to bill it as a great sporting event no not for me

Personally I do think mcgregor would be a brillant boxer if he dedicated the time needed to master the skills needed, he is a phenomenal athlete , the sheer dedication he shows to honing his craft his amazing. When you listen to him speak and move past the showmanship his focus and discipline is incredible. For me he is one of the best athletes Ireland has ever produced in any sport.

Presumably if it went ahead it would be under some hybrid rules maybe gloves closer to mma and maybe 8 rounds not 12 , I can't figure how they would do it to be honest but from a boxing point of view I'd hate to see this get official recognition, for mayweather to go 50 and 0 would in boxing history terms be huge , to get in against someone with no history in that code just takes from it I think.

StringerBell · 03-12-2016 05:22AM

ardinn wrote: »

A. This line states his licence in california mean nothing - if you were aware of the ali act then you are contradicting yourself as the reason he went to cali was for this very reason.

B. Im not here to become one of the mindless idiot keyboard warriors that so frequent this thread. I simply pointed out that the licence in cali does not mean pretty much zero!

C. You then went on to say you didnt read it and why should you!

D. Bill hicks "whatya readin fooor??" springs to mind!

A. Nope. I think you misunderstand why whoever wrote the article would suggest California or New York as two of the many, potential favourable states to try that strategy though. Regardless, nothing contradictory so no matter.

B. If your not here to be a keyboard warrior I would suggest you rethink using the rolleyes, it serves little purpose.

C. I didn't say I didn't read it for the record, I asked why I need to read it, which is a very different kettle of fish isn't it? I didn't read it either for the record, but like I said I am aware of it and the theory behind him potentially trying to use the Ali Act (do you know why the Ali Act came into being out of curiosity?) to fight Mayweather without the UFC giving the go ahead.

What does your article say about why he would need to get out of his UFC contract to fight Floyd Mayweather? Something I have asked a couple of times now, I can't see any real reason for it myself.

D. Takes you back into that keyboard warrior territory you claim you don't have any interest in being in.....odd.

ardinn · 03-12-2016 05:28AM

StringerBell wrote: »

What does your article say about why he would need to get out of his UFC contract to fight Floyd Mayweather? Something I have asked a couple of times now, I can't see any real reason for it myself.

Because in his contract it states he may not engage in any other combat sprot - wrestling, boxing etc - something you may have known if you read the article. But I will quote that part also - maybe you will read it - maybe you wont, im not interested at this stage.

claiming exclusive rights over any "mixed martial art, martial art, boxing, professional wrestling, or any other fighting competition or exhibition"

StringerBell · 03-12-2016 05:43AM

I deleted my detailed response as I don't wish to continue this back and forth any longer, I have a good grasp of your knowledge of the situation and can see no advantage to trying to debate with you when you appear to be basing everything you believe from one article.

All I want to say, and I leave it at this, is that he does not need to leave his UFC contract to fight Floyd Mayweather. Dana White is on record as saying they are ok with the bout in principle.

Good luck.

Mellor · 03-12-2016 05:44AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Edit: Mellor, I am aware of the possibility of using the Ali Act due to getting a boxing license. I think he would need to go to court for that also though to first wouldn't he?

Again I would come back to, why would he want to or need to get out of his contract with the UFC to have a boxing match though? They would be more then happy to take a slice of the pie surely.

I'm sure they be more than happy to take a massive cut. As if that's be an issue.
The "Why" is because Conor would presumably rather not give away a massive slice of his pie. I would have thought that part was obvious.

Biggest stumbling block would be the tv networks I would imagine.

I doubt it. They be lining up to sell the PPV

StringerBell · 03-12-2016 05:53AM

Mellor wrote: »

I'm sure they be more than happy to take a massive cut. As if that's be an issue.
The "Why" is because Conor would presumably rather not give away a massive slice of his pie. I would have thought that part was obvious.

I doubt it. They be lining up to sell the PPV

Negotiations between Showtime and the UFC would not be smooth, biggest stumbling block by a long way. Not that they would have trouble selling it, the negotiations between HBO and Showtime held up the Manny/Mayweather fight for a long time, and looked to be the cause of it collapsing again at one point.

I would be surprised if Conor was not going to be making enough from the fight to be ok with the UFC taking their fee too, it wouldn't come out of his purse and he is going to have to pay someone for the promotional aspect if it isn't going to be the UFC it will be someone. They have a relationship, it would come as a surprise to me if he was so opposed to them being involved, but I suppose it could be a possibility.

Even if he tries to use the protections afforded by the Ali Act against them they will surely state that they do not meet the definition of a professional boxing "promoter" under the legislation and that it does not apply to their McGregor contract.

Then it gets tied up in litigation and who knows what side the ruling would come down on, is it worth the money and hassle to McGregor to fight it? Does he have pockets deep enough to fight it if it goes all the way?

Would surely make more sense for all parties involved to come to an agreement that benefits everybody.

weldoninhio · 03-12-2016 10:17AM

I see he's now trying to claim that he's not stripped of the 145 because he still has the physical belt. Is Eddie Alvarez still 155 champ then?? I'm pretty sure he still has a 155 belt at home.

SteM · 03-12-2016 10:31AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I see he's now trying to claim that he's not stripped of the 145 because he still has the physical belt. Is Eddie Alvarez still 155 champ then?? I'm pretty sure he still has a 155 belt at home.

You do know that Eddie Alvarez was beaten by Mcgregor don't you? How can he be the champ if he's been beaten? Your logic is way off again. Blinded by hatred.

weldoninhio · 03-12-2016 10:34AM

SteM wrote: »

You do know that Eddie Alvarez was beaten by Mcgregor don't you? How can he be the champ if he's been beaten? Your logic is way off again. Blinded by hatred.

You do know that Conor MvGregor was stripped of his title during the week. How can he be the champ when he's been stripped. Because by McGregors logic, if you still have the belt you are still the champ. Blinded by your McGregor tinted glasses??

SteM · 03-12-2016 10:39AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You do know that Conor MvGregor was stripped of his title during the week. How can he be the champ when he's been stripped. Because by McGregors logic, if you still have the belt you are still the champ. Blinded by your McGregor tinted glasses??

He's saying that he was never beaten for the belt - that gives him some tiny excuse to hold onto. Eddie wouldn't even have that excuse so your example falls apart straight away.

weldoninhio · 03-12-2016 10:47AM

SteM wrote: »

He's saying that he was never beaten for the belt - that gives him some tiny excuse to hold onto. Eddie wouldn't even have that excuse so your example falls apart straight away.

The company he fights for stripped him of the belt and gave it to someone else. There's no tiny excuse to hold on. It's happened. They aren't going to come to his house to "take his belt", that never happens.

SteM · 03-12-2016 10:52AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The company he fights for stripped him of the belt and gave it to someone else. There's no tiny excuse to hold on. It's happened. They aren't going to come to his house to "take his belt", that never happens.

Jeez, you're so ****ing literal. You must be great fun on a night out.

Mellor · 03-12-2016 10:56AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You do know that Conor MvGregor was stripped of his title during the week. How can he be the champ when he's been stripped.

He's not the champ Jose Also is.
You are making less new now than when you were waffling about breach of contract.

Killergreene · 03-12-2016 11:47AM

Mellor wrote: »

He's not the champ Jose Also is.
You are making less new now than when you were waffling about breach of contract.

He agrees with you that aldo is champ

03-12-2016 12:07PM

SteM wrote: »

He's saying that he was never beaten for the belt - that gives him some tiny excuse to hold onto. Eddie wouldn't even have that excuse so your example falls apart straight away.

Ah come on, you can't be champion and fight 3 different fights without defending your belt and then complain when you get stripped. I mean I understand Conor didn't defend his belt because there was bigger money fights elsewhere but Conor is more than likely never going back to featherweight again, he can't just remain champion forever and not defend and don't give me this "Cruz didn't defend his belt for x many days" because he was injured.

Billy86 · 03-12-2016 12:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah come on, you can't be champion and fight 3 different fights without defending your belt and then complain when you get stripped. I mean I understand Conor didn't defend his belt because there was bigger money fights elsewhere but Conor is more than likely never going back to featherweight again, he can't just remain champion forever and not defend and don't give me this "Cruz didn't defend his belt for x many days" because he was injured.

I'd agree. I mean the Diaz fight came about because RDA pulled out. Had that not happened and McGregor won, giving him two belts, his next gifts should have been a 145 defense, in which case he would have deserved to hold and keep both belts imo. After the first Diaz fight, it was in everyone's best interest (McGregor's brand and wallet, UFC's biggest draws brand and their wallet, diaz's legacy and wallet) to have a rematch. But after he won that, he really did need to defend at 145 for the sake of the credibility of the division. He wasn't interested in it, and to be fair for his own long term health it is best not to make those cuts which are a little scary just to even just look at.

The 155 belt is a better fit for McGregor in that sense, and it gives the UFC a fresh list of opponents for him whereas he had ran through a lot of the 145 competition with off the top of my head only Frankie (who can also do 155 where he is former champ) left, who had lost recently to Aldo.

As much as I'd love to see McGregor hold both belts for an extended period of time, he went 3 fights and close a full year without defending at 145, and then went on a (well deserved) break for a few months. The UFC didn't really have too much choice, and it was a good decision on their part, seeing the forest for the trees - the longer that belt was going undefended, the more it was damaging its long term credibility and the future drawing power of title fights for it. If McGregor's next fight was defending at 155 (or any non 145 defense) it would immediately make the 145 belt look like more of a second rate belt for a long time as a result. Shame, but it did have to be done.

Mellor · 03-12-2016 01:05PM

Killergreene wrote: »

He agrees with you that aldo is champ

I'm aware. I was pointing out the stupidity of his argument. Nobody actually believes that Conor is still the champ.

PhilipsR · 03-12-2016 01:34PM

Jesus, this fight is never, ever going to happen.

It's genius by the two of them to keep themselves n the spotlight in non-fight periods.

03-12-2016 01:41PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I'd agree. I mean the Diaz fight came about because RDA pulled out. Had that not happened and McGregor won, giving him two belts, his next gifts should have been a 145 defense, in which case he would have deserved to hold and keep both belts imo. After the first Diaz fight, it was in everyone's best interest (McGregor's brand and wallet, UFC's biggest draws brand and their wallet, diaz's legacy and wallet) to have a rematch. But after he won that, he really did need to defend at 145 for the sake of the credibility of the division. He wasn't interested in it, and to be fair for his own long term health it is best not to make those cuts which are a little scary just to even just look at.

The 155 belt is a better fit for McGregor in that sense, and it gives the UFC a fresh list of opponents for him whereas he had ran through a lot of the 145 competition with off the top of my head only Frankie (who can also do 155 where he is former champ) left, who had lost recently to Aldo.

As much as I'd love to see McGregor hold both belts for an extended period of time, he went 3 fights and close a full year without defending at 145, and then went on a (well deserved) break for a few months. The UFC didn't really have too much choice, and it was a good decision on their part, seeing the forest for the trees - the longer that belt was going undefended, the more it was damaging its long term credibility and the future drawing power of title fights for it. If McGregor's next fight was defending at 155 (or any non 145 defense) it would immediately make the 145 belt look like more of a second rate belt for a long time as a result. Shame, but it did have to be done.

Yeah and I don't think Conor gave to much of a sh1t if they stripped him or not. I don't think Conor was ducing defending it, I just think Conor takes the fights that are the best for his pocket, fighting Alvarez to be a two division champion was good for PPV sales and the Diaz fight was always going to be good for sales. Conor is just looking to make as much money as possible and I would do the exact same in his position.

Can't wait for Conors next fight, I hope to got its in MMA though and not boxing, I want to see him fight Khabib, Aldo or maybe even Woodley :eek:

weldoninhio · 03-12-2016 02:02PM

Mellor wrote: »

I'm aware. I was pointing out the stupidity of his argument. Nobody actually believes that Conor is still the champ.

Except himself

moneyman · 03-12-2016 03:16PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Except himself

I'm sure he's aware, you are missing a lot of social cues.

I'd like you to know that I take great pleasure in your bitterness. Do continue.

qwabercd · 03-12-2016 03:19PM

Gintonious wrote: »

He has to do what 49 other professional boxers couldn't.

47

Subcomandante Marcos · 03-12-2016 03:23PM

qwabercd wrote: »

47

49.

EagererBeaver · 03-12-2016 04:06PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

49.

He's being literal. Two fights against both Maidana and Castillo.

EagererBeaver · 03-12-2016 04:07PM

McGregor was apparently at the Devenish in Belfast last night and agreed to walk out Michael Conlan for his pro debut in New York on St. Patrick's Day. Great story if true and fair play to McGregor.

Depp · 03-12-2016 05:27PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I see he's now trying to claim that he's not stripped of the 145 because he still has the physical belt. Is Eddie Alvarez still 155 champ then?? I'm pretty sure he still has a 155 belt at home.

hes making the point aldo was handed back his belt without winning it back off conor. While aldo is the 145 champ there'll always be an asterix next to it while conor is still fighting, same as the 205 belt until jones retires or is beaten for it.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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