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    #392
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭Allinall


    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Go to tesco in the north and you will find 1 litre of smirnof vodka at £18

    Go to any article on the norths introduction of minimum price and they state a £0.50p per unit.

    1 Liter of smirnof Vodka contains 37.5 units.

    0.50 x 37.5 = £18.75

    £18.75 - £18.00 = £0.75p increase.

    Is that straight forward enough for you??

    I do apologise.

    You are indeed correct, if the .50p per unit is what they go for.

    I was stupidly working on a 50p increase.

    I'll just slowly reverse out of here until I have something sensible to say.


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    #393
    _Jamie_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭_Jamie_


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    €2 per can is very cheap.

    It's not. It's on the higher end for mass-produced beer.

    Home-brewing will definitely increase in popularity. I'm not sure why people are making out that home-brewed beer is swill. I don't drink beer but my beer-drinking friends rate it and some of them really know their beer. And I'd be very keen to try home-made cider.

    My brother-in-law is making his own beer these days. The first batch cost €80 for 40 bottles. That cost was down to the initial outlay for all the equipment needed. €2 a bottle for that batch and it was likely much nicer than mass-produced beer. He is currently in the process of brewing batch number two. The outlay for this batch was €20. €0.50 per bottle. Not too shabby.


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    #394
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,651 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    _Jamie_ wrote: »
    It's not. It's on the higher end for mass-produced beer.

    Home-brewing will definitely increase in popularity. I'm not sure why people are making out that home-brewed beer is swill. I don't drink beer but my beer-drinking friends rate it and some of them really know their beer. And I'd be very keen to try home-made cider.

    My brother-in-law is making his own beer these days. The first batch cost €80 for 40 bottles. That cost was down to the initial outlay for all the equipment needed. €2 a bottle for that batch and it was likely much nicer than mass-produced beer. He is currently in the process of brewing batch number two. The outlay for this batch was €20. €0.50 per bottle. Not too shabby.

    I can make a very decent batch of 30 bottles of wine for about 50 cent a bottle. Similarly the first and second batches cost more due to equipment purchases, but by the 3rd batch your making your money back very quickly.

    Also depending on the kit you use you can even do it all in 7 days


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    #395
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But they're responsible so they'll either only get a small amount of it or - something that is seemingly anathema to most people here - come up with a mad idea like 'I can do without alcohol'.

    Why the f*ck should they have to if they're responsible though? That's the whole point.


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    #396
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Great non-answer

    Again I ask what METRIC do you base 2 euro for a can of beer is cheap?

    The metric of €2 not being much money.


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    #397
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    So do you agree that because of the number of deaths on Irelands roads we should put car insurance up by 100% & more going by size of cars engine?
    This would take the problem people off the roads because they would not be able to afford insurance

    I've no idea what you're talking about. This thread s about MUP.


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    #398
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    The metric of €2 not being much money.

    If it is not much money, how will it deter anyone from buying alcohol?


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    #399
    Mortpourvelo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    The metric of €2 not being much money.

    Ah, snobbery.

    Grand.


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    #400
    Mortpourvelo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    Anyway as a responsible adult who is of age, not causing trouble and was last anywhere near an A&E 6 years ago (fall, broken bone - guaranteed it would have hurt A LOT less if I'd been on the beer) - I'm off to Dunnes to avail of their lovely offer on chilled Staropramen.

    Five bottles (500ml) for ten euro.

    Before the puritans on here tell me I can't and even if I could I shouldn't as I'm destroying society.


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    #401
    TheDoc
    Registered Users Posts: 23,128 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    €48 for a slab of 24 can hahahahah

    Yeah, I don't think so. Just like anything when the price goes stupid high, options will present themselves via loopholes or black market.


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    #402
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I can make a very decent batch of 30 bottles of wine for about 50 cent a bottle. Similarly the first and second batches cost more due to equipment purchases, but by the 3rd batch your making your money back very quickly.

    Also depending on the kit you use you can even do it all in 7 days

    Perhaps I've been unlucky but I've never had a home made wine that's been anything other than piss

    Of course you can't tell the maker this.

    You'll be able to pick up a decent bottle of French for less than a €10 even after MUP, the way some people are going on about it you'd swear the world was ending rather than a eminently sensible proposal to protect people from a deluge of cheap alcohol being pushed by the supermarkets.


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    #403
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    I think a simpler solution would just be to have off-licenses stop selling alcohol to people in tracksuit bottoms, pajamas, belly tops, baseball caps, Man U or Celtic gear, or hoopy earrings.


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    #404
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Mortpourvelo wrote: »
    Anyway as a responsible adult who is of age, not causing trouble and was last anywhere near an A&E 6 years ago (fall, broken bone - guaranteed it would have hurt A LOT less if I'd been on the beer) - I'm off to Dunnes to avail of their lovely offer on chilled Staropramen.

    Five bottles (500ml) for ten euro.

    Before the puritans on here tell me I can't and even if I could I shouldn't as I'm destroying society.

    Sure that's €2 a bottle, grand. What's your complaint again?


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    #405
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    If it is not much money, how will it deter anyone from buying alcohol?

    I'd agree. It should be higher.


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    #406
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Mortpourvelo wrote: »
    Staropramen.

    Five bottles (500ml) for ten euro.

    Mmm, skunked beer.


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    #407
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,651 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    The metric of €2 not being much money.

    Im not asking if you personally consider 2 euro to not be a lot of money.

    Thats not the question so for the third time how is 2 euro for a can of beer cheap?


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    #408
    Mortpourvelo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    pilly wrote: »
    Sure that's €2 a bottle, grand. What's your complaint again?

    Thought we'd covered that ?

    Dutch Gold is 2 quid a can - NO WAY is anything approaching decent going to be less than 3-50.

    And the main point is I resent being lumped in with knobs who can't handle it.

    Remember that kid in school that arsed around all the time ? Everything would get cancelled for the good kids cos of that little b**tard.

    Why should us responsible drinkers pay more because of the knob who can;t handle his ale ? It won't stop him - he'll still drink as much but watch crime skyrocket to pay for it.


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    #409
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Im not asking if you personally consider 2 euro to not be a lot of money.

    Thats not the question so for the third time how is 2 euro for a can of beer cheap?

    Because €2 isn't a lot of money for a can of beer.

    That's why it's cheap.

    What don't you understand about that?


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    #410
    Mortpourvelo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Mmm, skunked beer.

    I like it!

    Reminds of a bar where it was on draught and the first pint was "Pint of Staropramen please mate".

    Pint 6 was point and "thaaaa".


    :)


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    #411
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,651 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    Perhaps I've been unlucky but I've never had a home made wine that's been anything other than piss

    Of course you can't tell the maker this.

    You'll be able to pick up a decent bottle of French for less than a €10 even after MUP, the way some people are going on about it you'd swear the world was ending rather than a eminently sensible proposal to protect people from a deluge of cheap alcohol being pushed by the supermarkets.

    Ohh so we're back to this false narrative of bottles that are currently priced at 8-10 euro wont raise their prices in line with the cheapest of the cheap being forced to sell at 8-10 euro, so they can continue to keep their relative position in the market of being better than tesco own brand plonk?


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    #412
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Mortpourvelo wrote: »
    Dutch Gold is 2 quid a can - NO WAY is anything approaching decent going to be less than 3-50.
    .

    That's already the case, so no change there.


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    #413
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ohh so we're back to this false narrative of bottles that are currently priced at 8-10 euro wont raise their prices in line with the cheapest of the cheap being forced to sell at 8-10 euro, so they can continue to keep their relative position in the market of being better than tesco own brand plonk?

    I think we established you had no evidence that any narrative was false.




    Oh wait, I forgot.
    The Journal said it would be.
    Right
    My apologies.


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    #414
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,651 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    MeatTwoVeg wrote: »
    I think we established you had no evidence that any narrative was false.




    Oh wait, I forgot.
    The Journal said it would be.
    Right
    My apologies.

    And the independent and the examiner, not to mention the department of health who gave each of them the numbers and who are crafting the bill in the first place......


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    #415
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Mortpourvelo wrote: »
    I like it!

    Reminds of a bar where it was on draught

    No problems on draught - skunking is cause by light getting at it through the pale green bottles. Seriously, crack a bottle and take an immediate sniff. That skunk smell is not a component of the draught version - all non-draught beer should be in dark bottles or cans.


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    #416
    bear1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And the independent and the examiner, not to mention the department of health who gave each of them the numbers and who are crafting the bill in the first place......

    You're wasting your time with that poster.
    You could throw all the links you want and he'd still be denying them.


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    #417
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    Do you agree with minimum alcohol pricing?

    Yes, but primarily because of the increased revenue, clawback of welfare :)

    It's redistributing the redistributed money, more of my tax will go to services etc, brilliant IMO.


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    #418
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Augeo wrote: »
    Do you agree with minimum alcohol pricing?

    Yes, but primarily because of the increased revenue, clawback of welfare :)

    It's redistributing the redistributed money, more of my tax will go to services etc, brilliant IMO.

    No its not...It goes to the brewers/shopkeepers.


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    #419
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    howamidifferent wrote: »
    No its not...It goes to the brewers/shopkeepers.

    lol classic.

    Long may you think so :)

    There is obviously increased revenue from the VAT alone ;)


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    #420
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Augeo wrote: »
    Do you agree with minimum alcohol pricing?

    Yes, but primarily because of the increased revenue, clawback of welfare

    If that's what you want, we should just increase excise duty on alcohol and have the taxman collect the extra. That would cost me more than minimum pricing will, but I would support it. It is fair and discourages abuse by all.

    Minimum pricing is designed to do two things:

    1) Punish the poor
    2) Help the Vintners Association

    The poor are not my favourite class of people, but I do like them more than Vintners, so I am not in favour of minimum pricing as policy.


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    #421
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Augeo wrote: »
    lol classic.

    Long may you think so :)

    There is obviously increased revenue from the VAT alone ;)

    Yes, VAT only. ;)


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