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El Presidente Trump

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭mattser


    Gosh, the Clinton supporters on here are hurting real bad. Suck it up guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Those flag burners should be locked up for a very long time.

    The Supreme Court has ruled twice that flag burning is a valid form of free speech. And while personally I do not like the idea of flag burning, I can see the logic there.

    If the flag is specially protected, then it becomes a sacred golden idol, one that is respected above all and never questioned and never joked about. Does such such a concept sound familiar to you from elsewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    mattser wrote: »
    Gosh, the Clinton supporters on here are hurting real bad. Suck it up guys.

    I don't think they will.

    Nor should they. If you don't like it maybe look for a safe space away from their jokes and criticism ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You're worried about Russia bombing "us" because you're convinced a war with them & the US was on the way, so surely you live in the US no?

    The thing about a global conflict is that it affects the globe, Billy. Who is Russia's most lucrative trading partner? You really think Europe isn't going to be dragged into the ****ery between them and the yanks if this continues...?

    Furthermore, as I'm sure even you have to admit, the consequences of continued yank ****ery - and European support (but mainly benefit of said ****ery) - in the middle east are dire for that little continent next door beginning with "E"... :rolleyes:

    There are quite a number of ways this all goes to hell.
    (And who knows, Trump might decide to tow the line and send everyone there anyway, in which case we were done from the get go, but it'd at least be more entertaining than with Hillary...)
    But he had the best chance of delaying it, by virtue of the fact that he was the only candidate left with an actual chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭mattser


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I don't think they will.

    Nor should they. If you don't like it maybe look for a safe space away from their jokes and criticism ;)

    Done deal. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The thing about a global conflict is that it affects the globe, Billy. Who is Russia's most lucrative trading partner? You really think Europe isn't going to be dragged into the ****ery between them and the yanks if this continues...?

    Furthermore, as I'm sure even you have to admit, the consequences of continued yank ****ery - and European support (but mainly benefit of said ****ery) - in the middle east are dire for that little continent next door beginning with "E"... :rolleyes:

    There are quite a number of ways this all goes to hell.
    (And who knows, Trump might decide to tow the line and send everyone there anyway, in which case we were done from the get go, but it'd at least be more entertaining than with Hillary...)
    But he had the best chance of delaying it, by virtue of the fact that he was the only candidate left with an actual chance.
    Ah, so you're worried a theoretical US/Russian war will end up in Ireland getting bombed to pieces because of Russia's exports to the Netherlands. Got it.........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Ah, so you're worried a theoretical US/Russian war will end up in Ireland getting bombed to pieces because of Russia's exports to the Netherlands. Got it.........

    "War can't happen to us you guys!"
    Opinions like that disgust me tbh. Surrounded by people who hate your guts for the actions of your greedy governments, and you think the soft bubble of western civilisation is impenetrable.
    Lol, good luck...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    "War can't happen to us you guys!"
    Opinions like that disgust me tbh. Surrounded by people who hate your guts for the actions of your greedy governments, and you think the soft bubble of western civilisation is impenetrable.
    Lol, good luck...

    So, yes, a hypothetical war between the US and Russia will lead to Ireland getting bombed into oblivion (presumably by the US) because of Russia's exports to the Dutch.

    Connect the dots, people!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    "War can't happen to us you guys!"
    Opinions like that disgust me tbh. Surrounded by people who hate your guts for the actions of your greedy governments, and you think the soft bubble of western civilisation is impenetrable.
    Lol, good luck...

    The dangers you speak of (albeit in quite a paranoid way) are indeed real. However, Trump is a Narcissist and his election was all about his egotism and nothing to do with his fellow Americans. In many ways, it's like Brexit, he wasn't meant to happen. Trump's erratic personality and behaviour, coupled with his lack of political experience, will exacerbate those dangers rather than dissipate them as you seem to think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The dangers you speak of (albeit in quite a paranoid way) are indeed real. However, Trump is a Narcissist and his election was all about his egotism and nothing to do with his fellow Americans. In many ways, it's like Brexit, he wasn't meant to happen. Trump's erratic personality and behaviour, coupled with his lack of political experience, will exacerbate those dangers rather than dissipate them as you seem to think.
    And he's going to offer some serious boom times (pun unintended) to the Islamic terrorism industry, especially if able to follow through on his blood lust for "bombing the sh*t" out of chunks of the middle east. Now call me crazy, but I'd consider that a far more likely cause for bombs to go in countries like Ireland than a hypothetical US/Russian war leading to presumably the US (in a hypothetical Clinton presidency) bombing Ireland due to Russia's trade dealings with the Netherlands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I don't think they will.

    Nor should they. If you don't like it maybe look for a safe space away from their jokes and criticism ;)

    Ah yes, that safe space that was created by Obama, king of the minorities.

    Well done to him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Ah yes, that safe space that was created by Obama, king of the minorities.

    Well done to him.
    At this point you really are like a broken clock that skips on the two moments of the day it's supposed to get right by default.

    Obama on safe spaces and dissenting voices on US campuses:
    “I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. And, you know, I gotta tell you, I don’t agree with that either”

    “I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view.”

    “I think that you should be able to — you should invite — anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em,”


    ...and as for the origin of safe spaces...

    https://mindhacks.com/2015/11/12/the-real-history-of-the-safe-space/
    The history of safe spaces is an interesting one and a recent article in Fusion cited the concept as originating in the feminist and gay liberation movements of the 1960s.

    But the concept of the ‘safe space’ didn’t start with these movements, it started in a much more unlikely place – corporate America – largely thanks to the work of psychologist Kurt Lewin.

    ...

    In the late 1940s, Lewin was asked to help develop leadership training for corporate bosses and out of this work came the foundation of the National Training Laboratories and the invention of sensitivity training which was a form of group discussion where members could give honest feedback to each other to allow people to become aware of their unhelpful assumptions, implicit biases, and behaviours that were holding them back as effective leaders.

    ...

    One of the ideas behind sensitivity training, was that honesty and change would only occur if people could be frank and challenge others in an environment of psychological safety. In other words, without judgement.

    But hey, anything to distract from talking about President elect Trump in the President Trump thread, right? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Ah yes, that safe space that was created by Obama, king of the minorities.

    Well done to him.
    It might be my reading comprehension, but I don't know where the sarcasm begins and ends in the post.
    Are you criticising Obama because he did create safe spaces or because he didn't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Ah yes, that safe space that was created by Obama, king of the minorities.

    Well done to him.

    You have any proof it was Obama that started it ? No ? Thought so.

    Safe spaces are a load of bull****, as pointed out by many Trump supporters.
    That is until it's their favourite who is being mocked (either online or for example when called out in a theater), then the 'liberals' should just shut up and just let it go.

    Sounds awfully hypocritical if you ask me. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So, yes, a hypothetical war between the US and Russia will lead to Ireland getting bombed into oblivion (presumably by the US) because of Russia's exports to the Dutch.

    Connect the dots, people!!

    "If sh*t hits the fan then nothing whatsoever will change in Ireland!"

    Wow, so comforting, what a fool I was, cheers :)
    (I know you're not that narrow minded, but I also know you are that stubborn :) )
    The dangers you speak of (albeit in quite a paranoid way) are indeed real. However, Trump is a Narcissist and his election was all about his egotism and nothing to do with his fellow Americans. In many ways, it's like Brexit, he wasn't meant to happen. Trump's erratic personality and behaviour, coupled with his lack of political experience, will exacerbate those dangers rather than dissipate them as you seem to think.

    I feel the gob will dissipate them to far greater effect than Hillary ever would, mainly because he'd actually try, instead of damning the consequences and bulling ahead... He spoke in more conciliatory tones about the Federation than Hillary did.



    There are bigger, badder things at play than the "big bad Russians".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    He probably spoke 'in more conciliatory tones' because he's in their pocket ? ;)
    If only we could see his tax returns :pac:

    Apparently according to some it's perfectly fine for Trump to constantly go back on his promises during the election campaign. Why would it be so far-fetched that Clinton wouldn't have changed her tune too ? Who's to say that after an intelligence meeting (you know, the ones he's refusing) she wouldn't have changed her mind about a no-fly zone after talking with chiefs of staff and generals ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Billy86 wrote: »
    And how would you prove that somebody is Muslim, exactly?

    Still won't answer my question


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Oik, you're back! You vanished off my radar after your delicate rose petal house fit at me the other day. Look, not to "trigger" you again but have you got around to telling me how many of the 150+ republican primary polls taken after Nov 11th Trump lost yet?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_2016_presidential_primaries

    Stop evading the question


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    oik wrote: »
    Stop evading the question
    Nice try, but you've been evading showing me how many of those 150+ Republican primary polls from Nov 11th onwards had Trump not winning for a while now. How many was it, again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Ah, so you're worried a theoretical US/Russian war will end up in Ireland getting bombed to pieces because of Russia's exports to the Netherlands. Got it.........

    Moronic statement. How well do you think Ireland's economybwould fair in a global war?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nice try, but you've been evading showing me how many of those 150+ Republican primary polls from Nov 11th onwards had Trump not winning for a while now. How many was it, again?

    I never claimed Trump didn't lead the republican field since the beginning.

    You're still evading and it's obvious.

    whenever someone asks you a question you crumble and start looking for an out. I can only conclude that your views are so abhorrent to normal people that you would never share them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    oik wrote: »
    I never claimed Trump didn't lead the republican field since the beginning.

    You're still evading and it's obvious.

    whenever someone asks you a question you crumble and start looking for an out. I can only conclude that your views are so abhorrent to normal people that you would never share them.
    :pac:
    oik wrote: »
    you confidently accused a poster of lying for disagreeing with fake polls.

    Try harder, oik. Point out the fake polls in the 2016 Republican Primaries that had Trump losing after Nov 11th then we can progress.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    oik and Billy86 - Give it a rest will yiz, you are derailing the thread with yer oneupmanship*.

    Keep the thread on topic please

    *real word, I swear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    He probably spoke 'in more conciliatory tones' because he's in their pocket ? ;)
    If only we could see his tax returns :pac:

    Could be worse, Trump could have presided over the selling of 20% of U.S uranium production to the Russians :pac: :pac: :pac:
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
    You know, right before a kremlin banks donation of half a million to bill for his "great speech", or right after a spike in donations to their foundation from said Russians :pac:
    What exactly was the thought process here?
    'Make sure we've both got enough and we'll make an absolute KILLING, financing this one...'?

    Owing them money isn't that bad. Not a problem. Let them work away together. If the Russians start taking more of Europe's energy market away from the Saudis et al, that's perfectly fine with me. Them and their opec buddies can go to hell.
    We pay through the nose no matter the supplier. Might as well be the one with the least awful human rights record...

    One problem I actually have with Trump was his towing of the line that Iran was the "great threat to the world", which it clearly isn't.
    In an admittedly hilarious twist of irony, I'm hoping it was just something he said to get in, then won't follow through on :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Could be worse, Trump could have presided over the selling of 20% of U.S uranium production to the Russians :pac: :pac: :pac:
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
    You know, right before a kremlin banks donation of half a million to bill for his "great speech", or right after a spike in donations to their foundation from said Russians :pac:
    What exactly was the thought process here?
    'Make sure we've both got enough and we'll make an absolute KILLING, financing this one...'?

    Owing them money isn't that bad. Not a problem. Let them work away together. If the Russians start taking more of Europe's energy market away from the Saudis et al, that's perfectly fine with me. Them and their opec buddies can go to hell.
    We pay through the nose no matter the supplier. Might as well be the one with the least awful human rights record...

    One problem I actually have with Trump was his towing of the line that Iran was the "great threat to the world", which it clearly isn't.
    In an admittedly hilarious twist of irony, I'm hoping it was just something he said to get in, then won't follow through on :D

    He did that to keep the Israel lobby happy. If they had turned on him then the Republican party would REALLY turn on him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    oik wrote: »
    He did that to keep the Israel lobby happy. If they had turned on him then the Republican party would REALLY turn on him.

    Us politics are AIPAC's stomping ground, I don't doubt he's pro-israel - he wouldn't get within a bullets range of the Whitehouse otherwise, but being booed out of it for saying he'd fight their corner, without their money was pretty funny...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Could be worse, Trump could have presided over the selling of 20% of U.S uranium production to the Russians :pac: :pac: :pac:
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
    You know, right before a kremlin banks donation of half a million to bill for his "great speech", or right after a spike in donations to their foundation from said Russians :pac:
    What exactly was the thought process here?
    'Make sure we've both got enough and we'll make an absolute KILLING, financing this one...'?

    Owing them money isn't that bad. Not a problem. Let them work away together. If the Russians start taking more of Europe's energy market away from the Saudis et al, that's perfectly fine with me. Them and their opec buddies can go to hell.
    We pay through the nose no matter the supplier. Might as well be the one with the least awful human rights record...

    One problem I actually have with Trump was his towing of the line that Iran was the "great threat to the world", which it clearly isn't.
    In an admittedly hilarious twist of irony, I'm hoping it was just something he said to get in, then won't follow through on :D

    Oh, that uranium-for-Russia claim again ?

    http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

    I really thought that was already debunked in this thread ?

    As for claiming that Russia has a less awful human rights record than some of the OPEC countries, I wouldn't be so hasty with that. People seem to have short memories when it comes to those kind of things, I'd say they're both as bad as each other and I wouldn't trust either of them with energy deliveries to the West.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Oh, that uranium-for-Russia claim again ?

    http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

    I really thought that was already debunked in this thread ?

    "Unproven"
    Even Snopes can't call it "False" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    "Unproven"
    Even Snopes can't call it "False" ;)

    That's not how that works. You and Trump need to learn that.

    You can't claim something, have no actual proof and then laugh it off when people say it's unproven. Same with that 'omg she killed like 40+ people' nonsense.

    That is unless you don't believe in the presumption of innocence of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    That's not how that works. You and Trump need to learn that.

    You can't claim something, have no actual proof and then laugh it off when people say it's unproven. Same with that 'omg she killed like 40+ people' nonsense.

    That is unless you don't believe in the presumption of innocence of course.

    Uh huh, it doesn't get much more mainstream than Reuters.
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0MF2FQ20150319&ved=0ahUKEwiy4a21ntPQAhVhAsAKHRXoCdcQFghtMAg&usg=AFQjCNEkmcNnFWI5t46TcaG0qjEaTO8OcQ

    (btw, is there a way to get rid of this "AMP" bull**** on search engine results? Or is the answer "new search engine"...)


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