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How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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  • #62
    Faith+1
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Your parents have no effect on your nationality (other than where they choose to have you obviously). If my parents were from outer space and I was born in Ireland, I'm Irish because I was born there. This thread reeks of typical Irish arrogance "oh he's not Irish because mammy and daddy didn't grow up here and play GAA.

    Complete b*llsh*t It's not a case of Irish people thinking they are superior. Where you were born does not equate to genetics and culture of a particular nationality.


  • #63
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    No, you brought it up.


    BTW, how Irish was Phil Lynott. Not even born in Ireland and only one Irish parent.

    Tell me, was he only half or quarter Irish?

    He could be considered part Irish- Using your original wording,then If I had moved to say, Mongolia as a young child and went to school there then I am to be considered Mongolian!!


  • #64
    grogi
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    I have Irish parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc I am of Irish Descent.

    Someone who has no Irish parents is not.

    How can you claim that all of your grandparents are Irish? Are all of their grandparents Irish? If not, and they are not Irish as well, hence you are not Irish.

    And I guarantee that if you look back enough, you'll get some Ethiopian blood...


  • #65
    PucaMama
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    grogi wrote: »
    How can you claim that all of your grandparents are Irish? Are all of their grandparents Irish? If not, and they are not Irish as well, hence you are not Irish.

    And I guarantee that if you look back enough, you'll get some Ethiopian blood...

    my family are all Irish, yes


  • #66
    The Backwards Man
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    grogi wrote: »
    How can you claim that all of your grandparents are Irish? Are all of their grandparents Irish? If not, and they are not Irish as well, hence you are not Irish.

    And I guarantee that if you look back enough, you'll get some Ethiopian blood...

    It's always the ones that espouse this sort of nonsense that have the most skeletons* in the closet too, so to speak :)

    *Not an Ethiopian joke!


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  • #67
    The Backwards Man
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    my family are all Irish, yes

    How far back?


  • #68
    Faith+1
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    grogi wrote: »
    How can you claim that all of your grandparents are Irish? Are all of their grandparents Irish? If not, and they are not Irish as well, hence you are not Irish.

    And I guarantee that if you look back enough, you'll get some Ethiopian blood...

    How can you claim he doesn't? I can trace my family tree back over 200 years and guess what? It's Irish.


  • #69
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Why are you so upset about what I think makes you Irish? I don't have to answer to suit your sensitivity.

    Because the vast majority of Irish people seem to think that it's some kind of honour to be able to call yourself Irish and it's not. It's just another fact about them like their name, age etc.

    You don't have to answer to suit my sensitivity means that you can't answer because your view of being Irish is the more common one, one that is dominated by opinions, whereas mine in simple fact and logic and therefore correct.


  • #70
    Avatar MIA
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    mulbot wrote: »
    He could be considered part Irish-

    I'd be interested in seeing a poll on how many people considered Phil Lynott only part Irish.
    mulbot wrote: »
    Using your original wording,then If I had moved to say, Mongolia as a young child and went to school there then I am to be considered Mongolian!!

    Yes, if you took part in their education system - it's likely the education system, as such, would make you very culturally aware of what being Mongolian was all about.

    You might also come back to Ireland and might make a descent addition to our Olympic shooting or wrestling team.


  • #71
    PucaMama
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    How far back?

    As far back as I had read. Parents of great grandparents. I can't be arsed going back looking for a hint of non Irish. I am of Irish descent. It's different to on-paper citizenship.


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  • #72
    MadDog76
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Because the vast majority of Irish people seem to think that it's some kind of honour to be able to call yourself Irish and it's not. It's just another fact about them like their name, age etc.

    You don't have to answer to suit my sensitivity means that you can't answer because your view of being Irish is the more common one, one that is dominated by opinions, whereas mine in simple fact and logic and therefore correct.

    You do truly believe that don't you ......... how ironic. :)


  • #73
    Solomon Pleasant
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    Faith+1 wrote: »
    Complete b*llsh*t It's not a case of Irish people thinking they are superior. Where you were born does not equate to genetics and culture of a particular nationality.

    You're correct when you say that where you're born does not equate to genetics and culture but it does equate to a nationality.

    If you're going to call b*llsh*t on a post, make sure that it actually is.


  • #74
    Avatar MIA
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You do truly believe that don't you ......... how ironic. :)

    Phil Lynott
    James Connolly
    Eamonn De Velera

    Irish or not?


  • #75
    MadDog76
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Phil Lynott
    James Connolly
    Eamonn De Velera

    Irish or not?

    Not.


  • #76
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Not.

    :D

    At least you're consistent. :pac:


  • #77
    D0NNELLY
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    Top three options


  • #78
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    I'd be interested in seeing a poll on how many people considered Phil Lynott only part Irish.



    Yes, if you took part in their education system - it's likely the education system, as such, would make you very culturally aware of what being Mongolian was all about.

    You might also come back to Ireland and might make a descent addition to our Olympic shooting or wrestling team.

    I don't see how being aware of the cultures of a country qualifies you to be considered a citizen etc. For me there is more,and having some direct lineage should be cosidered a factor


  • #79
    PucaMama
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Because the vast majority of Irish people seem to think that it's some kind of honour to be able to call yourself Irish and it's not. It's just another fact about them like their name, age etc.

    You don't have to answer to suit my sensitivity means that you can't answer because your view of being Irish is the more common one, one that is dominated by opinions, whereas mine in simple fact and logic and therefore correct.

    What is not factual about saying if your parents are Irish you are too? It's a simple fact if your are born in ireland to foreign parents or are born shortly before arriving in ireland to foreign parents you are not Irish. You cant change biology.


  • #80
    me_right_one
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    dudara wrote: »
    How many generations back do you want to go in order to define Irish? I'm pretty sure all of us have some English or even Norman or Viking blood in us.
    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Irish descent. Go back far enough and most of us are British or French, old chap.

    I would consider the famine the cutoff. If your people directly ancestral to you lived through the famine, then you're Irish.


  • #81
    Faith+1
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    You're correct when you say that where you're born does not equate to genetics and culture but it does equate to a nationality.

    If you're going to call b*llsh*t on a post, make sure that it actually is.

    Oh you mean your post? Biggest bullsh*t on the thread.


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  • #82
    MadDog76
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    :D

    At least you're consistent. :pac:

    It wasn't a difficult question in fairness ........


  • #83
    Avatar MIA
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    mulbot wrote: »
    I don't see how being aware of the cultures of a country qualifies you to be considered a citizen etc. For me there is more,and having some direct lineage should be cosidered a factor

    Citizenship is entirely different. Even maddog can't deny citizenship for the three I selected.


  • #84
    The Backwards Man
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    As far back as I had read. Parents of great grandparents. I can't be arsed going back looking for a hint of non Irish. I am of Irish descent. It's different to on-paper citizenship.

    So only four generations then? Sure half of the citizens of the US are as Irish as you are!:p


    Defining your nationality in this way is pure childish naivety.


  • #85
    Skommando
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    None of the poll options are correct. Anyone who is an Irish citizen is Irish.


  • #86
    MadDog76
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Citizenship is entirely different. Even maddog can't deny citizenship for the three I selected.

    True .......... legally Irish and actually Irish are two completely different things ........ also, despite what some believe on here, just being born here does not automatically entitle you Irish Citizenship.


  • #87
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Citizenship is entirely different. Even maddog can't deny citizenship for the three I selected.

    Should have added in Nationality then. The point being,that I think there's far more to be considered other than your two points of ,If you move to a country at a young age, and If you go to school there.


  • #88
    PucaMama
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    So only four generations then? Sure half of the citizens of the US are as Irish as you are!:p


    Defining your nationality in this way is pure childish naivety.

    You want me to provide full family history yet you are willing to accept some person born here with no Irish blood as 100 percent Irish. Bull****.

    Another poster said can you trace your family to before the famine. I can.


  • #89
    Skommando
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    True .......... legally Irish and actually Irish are two completely different things

    What's an 'actually Irish' person ?


  • #90
    MOH
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    I wouldn't define someone as anything. If they consider themselves Irish, fair enough. It's not up to me to label them


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  • #91
    Skommando
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    MOH wrote: »
    I wouldn't define someone as anything. If they consider themselves Irish, fair enough. It's not up to me to label them

    You might not, but civil authority has to have some way of deciding.


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