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How do you define someone who is Irish? (multiple choice poll)

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  • #32
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Someone paying taxes in Ireland.

    Ah now! :D

    This thread will flush out the mad nationalists quickly enough


  • #33
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭gifted


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    But, you're mad and a dog, so... meh.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    And Irish ......... so there! :p

    Get a room ye two....lol lol


  • #34
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Only if you're born in Ireland in my mind makes you 100% Irish.

    So, James Connolly or Eamonn DeVelera weren't 100% Irish? :pac:


  • #35
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Ah now! :D

    This thread will flush out the mad nationalists quickly enough

    Already has, from what I can see. :D


  • #36
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    What if someone chooses Ireland as their country, settles here, has a family here, pays taxes here and becomes naturalised?

    There's a big difference between being ethnically Irish and being legally Irish, but both are valid!


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  • #37
    MadDog76
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    I know, I actually hold liberal views on this myself and have a broad definition of Irishness but I didn't want to come across as overly condemning people who hold conservative views as 'racist' and labelled it as 'traditional' views. I wanted an honest reflection of what generally people think.

    Being logical and stating a fact does not equate to being racist ......... in any case, why would being considered Irish be some kind of great honour? If my Father was Icelandic, for example, then I would proudly tell people about my origins.


  • #38
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    They're legally Irish of course ............ but I personally would not consider them to be Irish.

    You see the reason why I started this thread was because I am in the opposite scenario, born and brought up in England (till the age of 14) to Irish parents, I still speak with an English accent even though I now live in Ireland.

    Now I'm apathetic to my nationality, and don't really strongly feel either English or Irish (I'm not at all surprised by the 4th option polling so low mind), but for those who consider option 1 only, then there's a bit of hypocrisy as they then expect native English people to accept someone with Irish parents as British/English.


  • #39
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    mulbot wrote: »
    Are you serious???

    Yes, I seriously believe James Connolly and Eamon de Velera were Irish.

    Do you seriously not believe they were Irish?


  • #40
    MadDog76
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    dudara wrote: »
    What if someone chooses Ireland as their country, settles here, has a family here, pays taxes here and becomes naturalised?

    There's a big difference between being ethnically Irish and being legally Irish, but both are valid!

    Both valid but, as you said, both different .......... the distinction is the topic being discussed.


  • #41
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    You're nationality is something that concerns you and not your parents. It's entirely based on your place of birth. To base someone else's nationality on where their parents are born is ridiculous - They're nationality can be different to their child's nationality.

    A lot of people born to various nationality parents wise who are born in this country still see the homeland as their country. I think it takes a few generations to be honest.


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  • #42
    MadDog76
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    You see the reason why I started this thread was because I am in the opposite scenario, born and brought up in England (till the age of 14) to Irish parents, I still speak with an English accent even though I now live in Ireland.

    Now I'm apathetic to my nationality, and don't really strongly feel either English or Irish (I'm not at all surprised by the 4th option polling so low mind), but for those who consider option 1 only, then there's a bit of hypocrisy as they then expect native English people to accept someone with Irish parents as British/English.

    I don't expect native English people to accept someone with Irish parents as British/English .........


  • #43
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Yes, I seriously believe James Connolly and Eamon de Velera were Irish.

    Do you seriously not believe they were Irish?

    I just refer to the quote of saying if someone comes here young and goes to school then they are Irish,I don't really see the reasoning there,and I think there's more to be considered than the two reasons you gave.


  • #44
    NoFreeGaffs
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    Someone paying taxes in Ireland.

    So tourists are Irish? Or someone here on a work placement?


  • #45
    PucaMama
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    You're nationality is something that concerns you and not your parents. It's entirely based on your place of birth. To base someone else's nationality on where their parents are born is ridiculous - They're nationality can be different to their child's nationality.

    On paper maybe. But your parents and their parents descent is what makes you Irish or not. It's different to a piece of paper giving you the right to call yourself Irish.


  • #46
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    mulbot wrote: »
    I just refer to the quote of saying if someone comes here young and goes to school then they are Irish,I don't really see the reasoning there

    I'm just picking two examples of many.

    James Connolly was born in Scotland.
    Dev was born in the US.

    How would you define them as Irish?


  • #47
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    I'm just picking two examples of many.

    James Connolly was born in Scotland.
    Dev was born in the US.

    How would you define them as Irish?

    Both their parents were either Irish or were of Irish descent, That's very different than just coming here at a young age and going to school.(the reasons you gave to qualify as Irish)


  • #48
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Being logical and stating a fact does not equate to being racist ......... in any case, why would being considered Irish be some kind of great honour? If my Father was Icelandic, for example, then I would proudly tell people about my origins.
    So claim to be both ? My surname isn't remotely irish but my parents, grandparents or id even go as far to say great grandparents dont know the country of origin. Unless its traced back. So Id claim I'm Irish outright. That's why id say it takes a few generations to have no affiliation with country of origin.


  • #49
    SharpshooterTom
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I don't expect native English people to accept someone with Irish parents as British/English .........

    Right so what nationality do people those people (like me) have? Now I've already stated my apathy to both, but many in my situation do generally yearn for a sense belonging and are confused.


  • #50
    Avatar MIA
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    mulbot wrote: »
    Both their parents were either Irish or had Irish descent, That's very different than just coming here at a young age and going to school.(the reasons you gave to qualify as Irish)

    Irish descent. Go back far enough and most of us are British or French, old chap.


  • #51
    grogi
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    If you are not born to Irish parents you are not Irish

    By recursion nobody is Irish then...


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  • #52
    Faith+1
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    Born/Brought up in Ireland to Irish parents. It's not just where you are born, it's genetics too. If a French couple had a child in Ireland would they consider their child Irish? Fcuk no.

    If an Irish couple had a child born in Nigeria would the child be Nigerian? No. There's an element of economic reasons for people to call themselves Irish not because they actually give a sh*t about our Country or culture. Hense the reform of Juis Soli in 2004.


  • #53
    mulbot
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Irish descent. Go back far enough and most of us are British or French, old chap.

    That's not what your original post is about


  • #54
    Solomon Pleasant
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    On paper maybe. But your parents and their parents descent is what makes you Irish or not. It's different to a piece of paper giving you the right to call yourself Irish.

    Who are you to say what makes someone Irish? Why do people find it so incredibly difficult to accept that an individual's nationality is based on their country of birth and not on where their parents are from? Your above statement makes being Irish sound like some sort of privilege which you don't want anyone who doesn't fit your criteria of so-called "Irishness".

    Your parents have no effect on your nationality (other than where they choose to have you obviously). If my parents were from outer space and I was born in Ireland, I'm Irish because I was born there. This thread reeks of typical Irish arrogance "oh he's not Irish because mammy and daddy didn't grow up here and play GAA and all that other bollox that people consider prerequisites for being Irish. It's simply a description of where the individual is born, nothing more so cut the rubbish of trying to decide who can be and can't be Irish based on their background.


  • #55
    MadDog76
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    So claim to be both ? My surname isn't remotely irish but my parents, grandparents or id even go as far to say great grandparents dont know the country of origin. Unless its traced back. So Id claim I'm Irish outright. That's why id say it takes a few generations to have no affiliation with country of origin.

    You can "claim" whatever you want but if you inform people of your (known) origins then they will consider, for themselves, you to be *whatever* ......... and what difference does it make anyway?


  • #56
    PucaMama
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    grogi wrote: »
    By recursion nobody is Irish then...

    I have Irish parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc I am of Irish Descent.

    Someone who has no Irish parents is not.


  • #57
    Avatar MIA
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    mulbot wrote: »
    That's not what your original post is about

    No, you brought it up.


    BTW, how Irish was Phil Lynott. Not even born in Ireland and only one Irish parent.

    Tell me, was he only half or quarter Irish?


  • #58
    NoFreeGaffs
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    Your parents have no effect on your nationality (other than where they choose to have you obviously). If my parents were from outer space and I was born in Ireland, I'm Irish because I was born there.

    You should probably read up on our citizenship laws. A child's parentage absolutely does matter when it comes to citizenship.


  • #59
    MadDog76
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Right so what nationality do people those people (like me) have? Now I've already stated my apathy to both, but many in my situation do generally yearn for a sense belonging and are confused.

    Some Irish people will consider you Irish and some won't, some British people will consider you British and some won't ........ you'll have to decide for yourself what you consider yourself to be (if that's even important to you?) and live with the fact that some people will disagree with you.


  • #60
    The Backwards Man
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    A true Irish person wouldn't start a thread on this shìt stirring bollocks.

    Most of ye have more Irish in your wee toes than anyone that bothers about this nonsense has in their whole family tree.


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  • #61
    PucaMama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Who are you to say what makes someone Irish? Why do people find it so incredibly difficult to accept that an individual's nationality is based on their country of birth and not on where their parents are from? Your above statement makes being Irish sound like some sort of privilege which you don't want anyone who doesn't fit your criteria of so-called "Irishness".

    Your parents have no effect on your nationality (other than where they choose to have you obviously). If my parents were from outer space and I was born in Ireland, I'm Irish because I was born there. This thread reeks of typical Irish arrogance "oh he's not Irish because mammy and daddy didn't grow up here and play GAA and all that other bollox that people consider prerequisites for being Irish. It's simply a description of where the individual is born, nothing more so cut the rubbish of trying to decide who can be and can't be Irish based on their background.

    Why are you so upset about what I think makes you Irish? I don't have to answer to suit your sensitivity.


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