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Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

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  • #2552
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Unpossible wrote: »
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    and the people in the republic to decide. you cant take their agreement as a given.
    This seems to be forgotten in conversations on the north. Do people in the republic want reunification? It will take a lot to convince me to vote for a united Ireland. I don't think it's worth it.

    On the BREXIT front Malta's PM says no free movement = no access to the single market.
    link.
    That is because the Republic citizens don't want to pay higher taxes and could not afford it.


  • #2553
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Never met a Unionist in my life who would even contemplate it. I think Nationalists delude themselves thinking the Unionist population can be convinced.

    It's not the Unionist population that need to be convinced and certainly not people like you. Norniron was never meant to be a permanent solution to the Irish question. If the border had been drawn a little further to the north east you'd have delayed the inevitable for further few decades but it wasn't so you can't.


  • #2554
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,036 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Never met a Unionist in my life who would even contemplate it. I think Nationalists delude themselves thinking the Unionist population can be convinced.


    give it a couple of years and the unionist population will be in the minority. No convincing required then.


  • #2555
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    give it a couple of years and the unionist population will be in the minority. No convincing required then.

    This.


  • #2556
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Ah please Fred. Not British history 101. 1918. The fact is the majority of the country was nationalist.

    I'm just having a little smile. I thought it was the Brits that don't know their own history.

    The British partitioned Ireland under the threat of an immediate and terrible war i guess :rolleyes:


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  • #2557
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That is because the Republic citizens don't want to pay higher taxes and could not afford it.

    Well if you stop running it like a highly tribal statelet then maybe you'll see economic improvements.


  • #2558
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    As if the Irish political establishment have any notion of calling for it. Enda Kenny is an idiot.

    You are watching it happening mate. Head out of the sand.
    You voted for Brexit and you may very well have signed NI Unionism's death warrant and Kenny is the idiot? :)


  • #2559
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,036 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    give it a couple of years and the unionist population will be in the minority. No convincing required then.


    And now of course i have the scene from The Meaning of Life about protestants and catholics running through my head.


  • #2560
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I'm just having a little smile. I thought it was the Brits that don't know their own history.

    The British partitioned Ireland under the threat of an immediate and terrible war i guess :rolleyes:

    Yes they did Fred and whatever the reason they went against democracy in Ireland and had no reason to do it.


  • #2561
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Never met a Unionist in my life who would even contemplate it. I think Nationalists delude themselves thinking the Unionist population can be convinced.


    give it a couple of years and the unionist population will be in the minority. No convincing required then.
    lol, heard that 10 years ago. Protestants better get riding then. :silly:


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  • #2562
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    I tick a few boxes on unification I'm English, Protestant(ish), Lived in Ireland for over 20 years and my take on it is

    As an Englishman* I have no problem with it at all and I suspect neither does the majority of the UK population.
    The religious side of it is ridiculous to me.
    As for living here I would be maybe slightly against unification as I'm not sure Ireland can afford to take on a financial black hole.


    I never quite got identifying yourself as British no English, Scottish or Welsh people I know would do so it seems to be unique to one side in the North. I think it's that lack of confidence identifying themselves that is the root of the problem.


  • #2563
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You are watching it happening mate. Head out of the sand.
    You voted for Brexit and you may very well have signed NI Unionism's death warrant and Kenny is the idiot? :)

    To be fair and leaving this issue aside Kenny is an idiot:D


  • #2564
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,036 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    lol, heard that 10 years ago. Protestants better get riding then. :silly:


    they really do. between 2001 and 2011 the number of catholics rose by nearly 80,000. the number of protestants fell by nearly 20,000. there is now only a protestant majority of under 60,000. Wont be too long before that disappears.


  • #2565
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    dinorebel wrote: »
    To be fair and leaving this issue aside Kenny is an idiot:D

    :)

    In the sense that no politician misses the way the wind is blowing he is no idiot.

    He may be climbing on a bandwagon, but that wagon is moving, no doubt about that.


  • #2566
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    As if the Irish political establishment have any notion of calling for it. Enda Kenny is an idiot.

    You are watching it happening mate. Head out of the sand.
    You voted for Brexit and you may very well have signed NI Unionism's death warrant and Kenny is the idiot? :)
    Heard it all before. Why don't you sell a United Ireland to people on this thread. I am sure we would like to see how the Republic of Ireland would afford it and how the Irish government would implement policing, what currency we would use, the health service, prescriptions.

    I wouldn't vote for it based on having to pay medical prescriptions alone, never mind the huge social calamity it would cause, including a huge hike in taxes.


  • #2567
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    lol, heard that 10 years ago. Protestants better get riding then. :silly:


    they really do. between 2001 and 2011 the number of catholics rose by nearly 80,000. the number of protestants fell by nearly 20,000. there is now only a protestant majority of under 60,000. Wont be too long before that disappears.
    We are more open to Atheism, attended my brothers wedding to a Catholic and they still did that crossing bollocks. A lot of brainwashed folk, I hope Protestant numbers do drop and Atheism grows.


  • #2568
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Heard it all before.

    You have not heard a FG Taoiseach talking about it. Head out of the sand.


  • #2569
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    We are more open to Atheism, attended my brothers wedding to a Catholic and they still did that crossing bollocks. A lot of brainwashed folk, I hope Protestant numbers do drop and Atheism grows.

    The point about Catholics coming to the majority is not one about religion per se.
    It is that Catholics will not likely be hidebound to the Union. They may now be happy to stay in a beneficial union, but they are not attached to it in the way Loyalism or hardline Unionism is.

    I.E. they can be persuaded.
    Another reason why you will not hear Arlene calling for a border poll, Unionists are SURE will not pass.


  • #2570
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    In response to dinorebel,
    Comparing all the latest social attitudes surveys gives us this contrast: if voters are forced to choose, 52% of English voters choose British first compared to 19% of Scots, and 30% of Welsh.



    Its results, published here for the first time, find that 16% of Welsh voters now feel "British not Welsh" compared to 9% in 2007 and in 2003. Meanwhile, only 19% felt "Welsh not British" a fall from 24% in 2007, with 30% feeling equally "Welsh and British".

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/06/survey-uk-identity


  • #2571
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    We are more open to Atheism, attended my brothers wedding to a Catholic and they still did that crossing bollocks. A lot of brainwashed folk, I hope Protestant numbers do drop and Atheism grows.

    The point about Catholics coming to the majority is not one about religion per se.
    It is that Catholics will not likely be hidebound to the Union. They may now be happy to stay in a beneficial union, but they are not attached to it in the way Loyalism or hardline Unionism is.

    I.E. they can be persuaded.
    Another reason why you will not hear Arlene calling for a border poll, Unionists are SURE will not pass.
    Now I know you are joking. I want you to sell it to the voters on this thread.


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  • #2572
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    We are more open to Atheism, attended my brothers wedding to a Catholic and they still did that crossing bollocks. A lot of brainwashed folk, I hope Protestant numbers do drop and Atheism grows.

    The point about Catholics coming to the majority is not one about religion per se.
    It is that Catholics will not likely be hidebound to the Union. They may now be happy to stay in a beneficial union, but they are not attached to it in the way Loyalism or hardline Unionism is.

    I.E. they can be persuaded.
    Another reason why you will not hear Arlene calling for a border poll, Unionists are SURE will not pass.
    Also Francine, Catholics and Protestants will be a small minority in 30-40 years time as religion dies off. It is already dying, it will be about ideals and not religion. Most religious people I know or meet are old folk, the majority of Unionists I know don't attend church or practice the Protestant faith or believe in God.


  • #2573
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,036 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Also Francine, Catholics and Protestants will be a small minority in 30-40 years time as religion dies off. It is already dying, it will be about ideals and not religion. Most religious people I know or meet are old folk, the majority of Unionists I know don't attend church or practice the Protestant faith or believe in God.


    i bet they still tick the protestant box on the census.


  • #2574
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Also Francine, Catholics and Protestants will be a small minority in 30-40 years time as religion dies off. It is already dying, it will be about ideals and not religion. Most religious people I know or meet are old folk, the majority of Unionists I know don't attend church or practice the Protestant faith or believe in God.


    i bet they still tick the protestant box on the census.
    Should be a political box next to a religious one.


  • #2575
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Now I know you are joking. I want you to sell it to the voters on this thread.

    I don't and you don't have the detail to sell anything.
    What I want is the proper debate and examination with all the stakeholders.

    One deluded poster here tried to make the case for not unifying using a case study of one branch of the education department. That just wasted everyone's time.

    We need all sides involved in an open, honest and frank debate of the costs (by experts in each field) and issues.


  • #2576
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Also Francine, Catholics and Protestants will be a small minority in 30-40 years time as religion dies off. It is already dying, it will be about ideals and not religion. Most religious people I know or meet are old folk, the majority of Unionists I know don't attend church or practice the Protestant faith or believe in God.

    There is nothing to suggest that is the case and it is immaterial anyway.


  • #2577
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Now I know you are joking. I want you to sell it to the voters on this thread.

    I don't and you don't have the detail to sell anything.
    What I want is the proper debate and examination with all the stakeholders.

    One deluded poster here tried to make the case for not unifying using a case study of one branch of the education department. That just wasted everyone's time.

    We need all sides involved in an open, honest and frank debate of the costs (by experts in each field) and issues.
    It has been debated for decades. Sinn Fein still has to make the convincing economic argument and how the Irish state pays for it.


  • #2578
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Also Francine, Catholics and Protestants will be a small minority in 30-40 years time as religion dies off. It is already dying, it will be about ideals and not religion. Most religious people I know or meet are old folk, the majority of Unionists I know don't attend church or practice the Protestant faith or believe in God.

    There is nothing to suggest that is the case and it is immaterial anyway.
    Go into a Church on a Sunday or just look around you.


  • #2579
    Unpossible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭Unpossible


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That is because the Republic citizens don't want to pay higher taxes and could not afford it.
    For me, the cost is only one aspect. From working with people from the north, and from everything I've seen and read about/from unionists and nationalists in the north I really want nothing to do with the place.

    I do wish everyone in NI well and hope everything works out for all of you, but I don't want a United Ireland.


  • #2580
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,734 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It has been debated for decades. Sinn Fein still has to make the convincing economic argument and how the Irish state pays for it.

    It hasn't been properly debated.


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  • #2581
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    Unpossible wrote: »
    For me, the cost is only one aspect. From working with people from the north, and from everything I've seen and read about/from unionists and nationalists in the north I really want nothing to do with the place.

    I do wish everyone in NI well and hope everything works out for all of you, but I don't want a United Ireland.
    Another option could be a regional government within a united ireland.


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