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Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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  • #1052
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    first knock-on delay for me last night. 1735 Connolly - Wexford was delayed departure waiting for a tunnel service to run through to GCD. 10 minutes late in the end - we made up some time by have a clear run with no Dart in front for once, but lost it again waiting for platform in Bray.


  • #1053
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    IE 222 wrote: »
    Better terminating Maynooth services on P7 via newcome jct and time a PPT service to GCD to arrive at the same time on P6 to allow transfers. Avoids any conflicts and frees paths beyond connolly.
    thomasj wrote: »
    You could be transferring half an 8 coach commuter train into a 3 coach intercity train?

    Surely more sense to do the opposite?

    Exactly. The Maynooth train is likely to be rammed already. More people would get off in Connolly than would fit in the train that came through the PPT.


  • #1054
    AlanG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭AlanG


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I don't know at this point in time if the delays are related to the new service. But from the few similar posts made, it really highlights the all consuming "me first" mentality. Apart from the poorly thought out DART extensions many many years ago, this project is the start of a really new urban penetrative service and some still want to moan about delays being related to it on day one.

    You could hardly say anything about the Maynooth line has a me first mentality. The line is so badly serviced that there are once again trains that no one can get onto due to crowding. No new trains have run through to GCD or Pearse even though loop capacity has been increased. The off peak service is terrible and now the trains are being given lower priority to the PPT and Northern trains where the lines meet. All other surburban routes have had significant increases in service in the last few years where as the Maynooth line has had a decrease due to the prioritisation of other routes. The plans for electrification of Maynooth have been cancelled and no new services are planned. What you call "me first" is what informed people call looking to retain a service and get some parity.
    If IR couldn't provide the PPT service without adding significantly to Maynooth line travel times they should not have promoted it as such. The evidence since PPT launched suggest that the majority of Maynooth peak time trains have had an extra wait to let a PPT train have priority.


  • #1055
    trellheim
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    Maynooth to Docklands trains are not affected surely


  • #1056
    n97 mini
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    trellheim wrote: »
    Maynooth to Docklands trains are not affected surely

    No such thing. Only services from M3 Parkway run to Docklands, and only at peak times.


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  • #1057
    trellheim
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    Good point ; well if Connolly was stuffed you could run Maynooth trains to Docklands


  • #1058
    Riskymove
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    This sounds unbelievable, how could it take so much less time considering your walk from OCS to Stephen's Green?

    Train from Hazelhatch to Hueston was nonstop

    walked out straight onto a 25d to Stephen's green

    50 mins from leaving house


    earlier in week

    Train from Hazelhatch to Pearse - 5 mins late plus it took 60 mins

    around 10 minute walk to Stephen's green

    85 mins from house


  • #1059
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭thomasj


    trellheim wrote: »
    Good point ; well if Connolly was stuffed you could run Maynooth trains to Docklands

    i thought the reason PPT trains were introduced was because connolly was no longer stuffed?


  • #1060
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭trellheim


    The point refers to when Connolly is jammed up due to an issue, not normal operation.


  • #1061
    spacetweek
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    AlanG wrote: »
    The plans for electrification of Maynooth have been cancelled and no new services are planned.

    Neither are true.


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  • #1062
    n97 mini
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Neither are true.

    Can you back that up?

    There has been talk of electrifying the Maynooth line since 1976. 40 years later it still hasn't happened.

    Additionally if the 10 minute DART timetable comes in the draft timetable shows a reduction of Maynooth line services.


  • #1063
    marno21
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    Current DART Expansion plans in the Capital Plan only include electrification on the Northern Line to Balbriggan

    No firm plans for Maynooth line services.


  • #1064
    eigrod
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    first knock-on delay for me last night. 1735 Connolly - Wexford was delayed departure waiting for a tunnel service to run through to GCD. 10 minutes late in the end - we made up some time by have a clear run with no Dart in front for once, but lost it again waiting for platform in Bray.

    The 17.27 DART from Tara to Greystones that goes ahead of that Wexford train has been approx. 10 mins late every evening this week. Just a few minutes before 17.27, an out of service Mainline train runs through Tara for GCD - this seems to be the root of this particular delay. From what others are saying on Twitter, it's not the only evening service that's being delayed each evening either.


  • #1065
    metrovick001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭metrovick001


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Cabra road would be a good idea for a stop too. No potential for connections but great for the wider area.

    Good connections with Bus Eireann 107, 108, 109 & 111.


  • #1066
    spacetweek
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Current DART Expansion plans in the Capital Plan only include electrification on the Northern Line to Balbriggan

    No firm plans for Maynooth line services.
    The design work for Maynooth is planned for the next few years.


  • #1067
    GM228
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Current DART Expansion plans in the Capital Plan only include electrification on the Northern Line to Balbriggan

    No firm plans for Maynooth line services.

    Electrification of the Maynooth line is part of the NTAs Greater Dublin Area Transport Strategy 2016-2035.

    The plan also icludes electrification all the way to Drogheda instead of the original Balbriggan plan, Hazelhatch and the Parkway line.

    When/if it ever happens remains to be seen.


  • #1068
    spacetweek
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    I do agree that if the DART is extended all the way to Drogheda, you would still need to provide limited stop services to Dublin from many of the intermediate stops, otherwise it would be a disimprovement.


  • #1069
    sheff the ref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭sheff the ref


    It seems that the real problem is the lack of lines and the interchangeability between both lines.

    The only solution to that is to go overhead and build an airtrain route like they did between JFK airport and the Long Island Rail Network. Is something like that financially viable in an inner city area with multiple buildings?


  • #1070
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I went from GCD to Hazelhatch and back again this morning. Both times the train had to stop for a few minutes to let the mainline trains pass. In particular on the way back the driver went on the PA to apologise for the delay...outside his control etc. I'd be concerned that if these delays are a regular occurrence it may be difficult for commuters to develop trust in the service.


  • #1071
    spacetweek
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I went from GCD to Hazelhatch and back again this morning. Both times the train had to stop for a few minutes to let the mainline trains pass. In particular on the way back the driver went on the PA to apologise for the delay...outside his control etc. I'd be concerned that if these delays are a regular occurrence it may be difficult for commuters to develop trust in the service.
    What locations did that take place?


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  • #1072
    thomond2006
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    What locations did that take place?

    Going to Hazelhatch the train stopped just after Platform 10 at the junction. What looked like two intercity trains leaving Heuston passed before we re-started.
    For the return I think it was just after one of the stops before the tunnel, I can't really remember!

    Another thing I found odd was they used the intercity carriages, not commuter. They're very comfortable but I wouldn't have thought suitable for a service with multiple stops. Also the train felt slow travelling on the line before joining up with the main Maynooth line.


  • #1073
    The_Wanderer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »

    Another thing I found odd was they used the intercity carriages, not commuter. They're very comfortable but I wouldn't have thought suitable for a service with multiple stops. Also the train felt slow travelling on the line before joining up with the main Maynooth line.

    Re type of train. No Commuter stock available, also Heuston drivers not trained on any Commuter stock (2600, 2800 or 29000), hence use of 22000 Class. Also their 100mph top speed makes better use of track capacity west of Hazelhatch.

    Line speed through the tunnel is 20mph and north of there to Glasnevin Jct. is 30 mph.


  • #1074
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Line speed through the tunnel is 20mph and north of there to Glasnevin Jct. is 30 mph.

    why is it that slow?


  • #1075
    GM228
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    Deedsie wrote: »
    Just curious, but I presume Irish rail work in Metric and you converted this?

    IE work in MPH although the ATP on the DART is metric.


  • #1076
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,851 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Line speed through the tunnel is 20mph and north of there to Glasnevin Jct. is 30 mph.

    why is it that slow?

    P10 to Glassnavin J has a lot of curved track. Little suprised its 20 and not 25.


  • #1077
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    P10 to Glassnavin J has a lot of curved track. Little suprised its 20 and not 25.
    yeah thats what I figured, 20mph is glacially slow!!!


  • #1078
    The_Wanderer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    why is it that slow?

    Always was 30 mph. Tunnel was reduced to 20 mph due to limited clearance. Previously you couldn't pass two trains in the tunnel but this restriction was lifted at the expense of the 20 mph limit being introduced.

    Deedsie wrote: »
    Just curious, but I presume Irish rail work in Metric and you converted this?

    No I didn't.


  • #1079
    Riskymove
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Going to Hazelhatch the train stopped just after Platform 10 at the junction. What looked like two intercity trains leaving Heuston passed before we re-started.
    For the return I think it was just after one of the stops before the tunnel, I can't really remember!

    Another thing I found odd was they used the intercity carriages, not commuter. They're very comfortable but I wouldn't have thought suitable for a service with multiple stops. Also the train felt slow travelling on the line before joining up with the main Maynooth line.

    fairly common since the start...especially morning service into Dublin

    Trains also wait at Hazelhatch for connecting services even if they are late

    50 mins to Pearse rather than 40 most times


  • #1080
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,851 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    yeah thats what I figured, 20mph is glacially slow!!!

    Pointless increasing I guess because for scheduling you will just be stopped longer.
    Going to Hazelhatch the train stopped just after Platform 10 at the junction. What looked like two intercity trains leaving Heuston passed before we re-started.
    For the return I think it was just after one of the stops before the tunnel, I can't really remember!

    A stop can't be avoided really because PPT routing past Heuston for a small part is running over the same track that access P6/7/8 and one option for accessing P4/5.


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  • #1081
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,851 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Deedsie wrote: »
    That's a bit ridiculous, Ireland adopted the metric system a long time ago now. You would hope that all public transport services would do all their of their measures in metric.

    Why what difference does it make....like cars some trains have both kmh and mph.


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