Your favourite unsolved mystery?

Definitely Bermuda triangle

LordSutch wrote:

JFK

On that topic, the babushka lady? Has she been identified?

LordSutch wrote: »

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 (still missing).

Well most of it is missing, parts have been found so it's definately in the water.

Cianmcliam wrote:

Lots of people might have skipped work or some family event to see the president, went in clothes and dark glasses so they wouldn't have been seen in the papers or by a mutual friend. Not much of a mystery in the circumstances.

Surely on that kind of a day with the beloved president shot, she'd want to have given some account of what she saw, then again, I do see your point

Just got round to watching last year's docudrama Soaked In Bleach about Kurt Cobain's last days which Courtney Love attempted to stop getting made. Her cease and desist had no effect and she then threatened to sue cinemas which showed it, which seems to have had the desired effect given that very few did. Here's a little about it:

http://loudwire.com/courtney-love-soaked-in-bleach/

Anyway, amazes me that after all these years most of the main points on which those that feel he did not / could not have taken his own life base their contention, have still not being cleared up. I guess they never will.

What surprised me most was the phone calls that were recorded between Courtney and the PI which she hired to find out who had been using Kurt's credit card after he left a rehab facility. This was the week before his body was found and someone still tried to use the card on the day he was found (even though he had been dead for at least two days). In those recorded phone calls Courtney talks about planning to lie to Kurt (and the public) about her overdosing in a few days time as it would help sell her (Hole's) soon to be released new album.

There were also recorded calls with Kurt and Courtney's solicitor who was saying even at the time that she didn't believe Kurt was suicidal and that Courtney and her ex boyfriend (who was also one of their daughter's nannies and was staying at the house) were lying about what was happening. On one call the solicitor phoned the PI and said that the night before Kurt's body was found Courtney came to her home and left a back-pack there and as she never came back to get it, the solicitor decided to look inside it and what she found was most odd. She found a practice sheet where someone had clearly been practicing writing in a certain handwriting style over and over again and also a note which said "Get arrested!" and the next day Courtney was arrested. Which was the same day's Kurt's body was found and when she was released by the police she checked herself into the same rehab facility which Kurt had left six days previously.

If that wasn't crazy enough, in the midst of all that she phoned an electrical company from LA to fit security lighting in their Seattle home that day and they were the ones that found Kurt's body.

As for the whole gun theory and bullet placement stuff, I think that's all pointless to focus on as if they are still arguing about the JFK shooting (which was recorded) then the arguments about whether Kurt could manage to shoot himself and the casing fall where it did are going to be even more fruitless. In saying that though, I do think it is quite odd for someone to take the huge amount of heroin that he did and to then have the mind to put the safety caps back on the needles before then going on to kill himself. That just seems like such a strange thing to do. As does someone sticking a pen through a suicide note that they have just bothered to painstakingly write.. but again, it's hardly anything that anyone will ever be able to say with certainty could or could not have happened.

A personal observation (and not something which this docu touches on) is that years ago in a Channel 4 documentary (around 2005) Courtney was leading some twit around her home and she happens upon Kurt's old corduroy coat. She immediately says 'Kurt died in this coat' and 'This is what Kurt was wearing when he died' but he wasn't wearing a coat when he died, he was wearing a t-shirt and the coat was in a ball under a bench on the floor. I always thought 'Ah sure, slip of the tongue, it was ten years later after all' but I was reading an interview she gave to Rolling Stone back in 1994 and she said a similar thing then: "Kurt blew his head off in this coat" (she was wearing the coat during the interview). Very bloody odd thing to say unless it were true.

I don't know what I think tbh. I once thought the conspiracy theories around his death were nuts but the more I read, the more I begin to wonder was he murdered by mistake or something, or did someone find his body earlier than they let on and they waited until they could forge the suicide note before arranging for the body to be found. It's a mad case if ever there was one. Some really odd details.

Most of Kurt's close friends seem to say he wasn't suicidal at all and indeed his best friend who bought him the shot gun the week before said there was no way he would have bought him a gun if he felt he was in any way suicidal. He said Kurt just went and bought bullets that week as someone had slashed the tyres on his car in his garage and he wanted it for security as a result. His mate also said he was very positive in himself and earlier that week Kurt had also wrote a letter to his fans on AOL talking about a new album coming out soon. The doctor in Rome also said he seen a lot of people wake up from failed suicide attempts and that Kurt did not seem like one of them at all and that he had even asked for was a milkshake as soon as he woke up. He wrote a note to Courtney a short while after waking also and all it said was "Fcuk you". When he got back to LA a few days later he contacted his solicitor and asked her to arrange for Courtney's name to be taken off his will but he never signed anything as he hadn't seen the solicitor in person yet.

No matter what the truth is, one thing is for sure: she did not love him (not that I think that woman can love anyone). The way she treated him was quite shocking. She controlled him left and right. Cancelled his credit cards. Phoned him in rehab and put pressure on him to do gigs he didn't want to do. She even lied to him that he had hurt the baby when he dropped her. She later says she regretted saying that to him. All the while she was banging Evan Dando and Billy Corgan. It's wildly believed also that she told Kurt about these affairs in Rome although she said she just told him that she was thinking about having an affair and that was all. Either way, what ever happened in Rome, he was finished with her by the time he flew back to the states and she knew it. When he left the rehab in LA (which she also thrust upon him) Courtney was staying just ten minutes away in a hotel and instead of going to her, he went to the airport and flew home to Seattle. She never seen him again. Amazes me that had he lived Courtney would undoubtedly have been divorced and not received a cent... but yet as it stands she is the main beneficiary to all of Nirvana's vast fortune / future earnings and royalties. Which most people would know I guess considering the spats she has had with Novoselic and Grohl.

Found this thread last week and haven't got through every page yet but looking forward it. Thanks all for contributing!!

Some fascinating stories out there so I'd better add my own.

One documentary I watched recently was 'Who stole Johnny?', based on a 12 year old paperboy in Iowa who went missing and hasn't been found since. His Mother has been campaigning for him for years and believes he;s still alive.

There's been speculation he was seen alive years after, dollar note seemingly from him, allegation from his Mother years later that they met and then there's Paul Bonacci. I won't say much more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

Documentary roughly an hour long is on Netflix

CINCLANTFLT wrote:

Follow up on? I usually can't sleep after reading it!!!

Love watching YouTube videos on these kinds of things, and Wikipedia is great as we know. Strangely intriguing

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Although I've been following this thread for a while now, I don't recall whether Joseph Newton Chandler has been mentioned yet.

Anyway, Joseph Newton Chandler III died in 2001.  He committed suicide after learning he had terminal colon cancer and, initially, it seemed like a regular suicide so they pressed on with the cremation.  However, when the executor of his will tried to process his death certificate, he realised Joseph Newton Chandler had already died.  In 1945, no less. He was aged seven and died (alongside both parents) in a car accident in Texas.

Basically, the adult dead guy (now a John Doe) had ghosted Joseph.  In other words, stolen his identity because no one's looking for a dead kid and death certs are kept entirely separate of birth certificates (and no one ever cross checks).  It's a well known trick among fraudsters etc.  Anyway, the authorities were able to find out that Joseph's details and national security number were sent out to someone in the late seventies.  

They tracked the address those documents were sent to and found out it was just a vacant lot of land with a post box.  Clearly, the mystery man was using it as some kind of postal "dead drop".  All he had to do was wait for his new identity to show up. On job application forms the fake Joseph Chandler stated that his next of kin was a sister by the name of Mary Wilson.  However, when the authorities went to check her out at the address given, they found themselves on another vacant space.  Mary simply didn't exist.  The man had no friends at all.  Even the executor of his will was just some guy he once worked with.  On top of that, the few who knew him said that he used to vanish for days on end.  When asked where he was going, he would reply "they were getting too close."

So, who was this guy and why was he living under this ghosted identity?  A few people are trying to make out that he was the Zodiac Killer because he was living in California at roughly the right time.  But that's been largely discredited.  He wasn't on any witness protection scheme, either.  He had done this because he needed to.  I don't know what to make of it.  It's crazy, but really intriguing.  There's also a lot more to it than I can fit in one post, so here's a much more in depth podcast on the subject.