Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

A Little Pony wrote: »

My you really don't have a grasp of history. When you can point to me a majority in favour of joining the Republic, then post it. But you won't find it, but you know that.

It isn't a coincidence you have 'dissidents' running around trying to kill police officers, they know they got shafted by the GFA and normalized the Union.

Philip Hammond has admitted the Brexit vote’s blow to the economy would force the government to borrow £122bn more than hoped as he pushed back government plans to balance the books in his autumn statement.

In the government’s first major economic announcement since the vote in June to leave the EU, the new chancellor said the economy was faring well in the wake of the referendum result but growth would slow markedly next year on the back of weaker business spending and a squeeze on household budgets from rising living costs.


“Our task now is to prepare our economy to be resilient as we exit the EU and match-fit for the transition that will follow,” said Hammond, who replaced George Osborne as chancellor in the political crisis that followed the referendum.

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Hammond began his speech with a robust defence of the economy’s performance following the 23 June referendum, saying it had “confounded commentators at home and abroad with its strength and resilience since the British people decided, exactly five months ago today, to leave the European Union and chart a new future for our country”.

But the chancellor soon began outlining a very different picture, saying the government had “more work to do to eliminate the deficit”.


Hammond dropped his predecessor George Osborne’s target for a surplus on the public finances by the end of the decade but he announced his own fiscal rules that maintained a focus on bringing down borrowing over a longer period.

He unveiled three new rules of his own: for borrowing to be below 2% of GDP by the end of the parliament; for public sector net debt to be falling by the same time; and for welfare spending to remain within an OBR-monitored cap.

The economy would grow 2.1% this year, faster than the 2.0% forecast in March, Hammond said as he unveiled a new outlook from the the government’s independent forecaster, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). But the growth forecast for next year was cut to 1.4% from 2.2%.

Its main predictions, compared with before the Brexit vote, are now:

Extra £122bn of government borrowing over next five years
Public finances no longer expected to be back in surplus by 2019-20
Economy to grow 1.4% in 2017, compared with 2.2% forecast in March
Economy to grow 1.7% in 2018, compared with 2.1% forecast in March
Economy to grow 2.1% in 2019, compared with 2.1% forecast in March

Fratton Fred wrote: »

how did you get that from the Autumn statement, or is it just your own prejudice showing through?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'No strategic interest anymore'

Even the Malvinas has that!

The implication in the GFA is that Britain is intending, on foot of a poll, to abandon British citizens to their fate, because the land on which they live cannot be defended as 'Britain' anymore.

Discuss.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what is the Malvinas?

err, the people of northern Ireland have the same rights as Scotland and Wales. Anytime they want to leave they can, subject to a referendum. How is that abandoning anybody

jmayo wrote: »

Oh FFS ...
Are we now going to have the old debate again about the history of the Falklands.
The British named Falkland Strait in 1690 when they first landed there, before Argentinians or probably more correct Spanish arrived there.

The Spanish named it Islas Malvinas, which is derived from the French Îles Malouines which is the name given to the islands by French explorer Louis-Antoine de Bougainville in 1764 when he founded the islands' first settlement

The British officially named it The Falklands in 1765 when they claimed them.

So really the place belongs to the French.

BTW will you also stop using the names for Argentina, Brazil, USA, etc because guess what they were all names coined by the colonists. :rolleyes:

Oh and I love how suddenly the usual suspects are sounding off about if the people of Northern Ireland vote for United Ireland then it comes to pass.

Ever thought if the voters of the Republic wants a United Ireland ?

It can stay with the Brits and they can pay for all the state jobs and the security services to keep the sides apart and not killing each other.

demfad wrote: »

OK Copied from the other thread to get us back on track:

On other news the British government just posted the following Brexit FAQ on the their Gov.uk website:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/frequently-asked-questions

Which is odd because in the gov.uk's website policy it says that FAQ's are 'strongly discouraged'.

Anyway, not to worry the word 'clear' is used about several times in the FAqs so they clearly know what they are doing...



Also:

An excellent article here showing why the EU side fear and are preparing for a hard Brexit in 2 years time.

If this analyses is true then most likely Ireland North and South will get a significant shock in 2019. You will be looking at a de facto severing of the all Ireland economy over night not to mention the shock of the wider Brexit itself to Ireland.