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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #1502
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,940 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Shane McGrath did a piece today in Mail. Saying Conor can't really be considered a great Irish sportsman. Don't know if anyone read it?
    What I find most disappointing is his use of bad language. I may very well be mistaken but after the fight at ringside did I see some young kids?
    He seems to be popular but why let himself down by this crassness. There is no reason for it. Nor excuse.
    Really?
    So what if he curses..
    He's a professional fighter, paid money to beat the crap out of a person trying to do the same to him. I think him throwing a few curses around would be the least worrying thing about kids watching the fights.

    The world has gone far too PC lately. Oh no he's said fcuk, he's no role model.
    As if that was the first time they heard it, probably saying worse in school themselves.


  • #1503
    riffmongous
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    sonofenoch wrote: »
    It's not so much that as the way it's done.....he always 'gets destroyed' by the next man no matter what they've just witnessed

    Who said that?? Most non-trolling 'un-believers' wanted him to fight Edgar when he was at FW and now Khabib at LW because top quality wrestling seemed to be a weakness, who honestly said Diaz or Alvarez were going to destroy him?


  • #1504
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Who said that?? Most non-trolling 'un-believers' wanted him to fight Edgar when he was at FW and now Khabib at LW because top quality wrestling seemed to be a weakness, who honestly said Diaz or Alvarez were going to destroy him?


    Half of his detractors never heard of Diaz or Alvarez in all likelyhood but there was a hell of a lot of people giving him no chance against Eddie, or in the Diaz rematch (wasnt a massive fan of the fight myself initially)


  • #1505
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you allow your kids to watch two grown men fighting, at 1am in New York City.
    You don't get to complain about bad language.


  • #1506
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    If he defends the 145 strap, is the 155 belt on the line too? or is that even possible? would make massive numbers giving Aldo his shot at revenge and getting 2 straps for one...


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  • #1507
    TimRiggins
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    If he defends the 145 strap, is the 155 belt on the line too? or is that even possible? would make massive numbers giving Aldo his shot at revenge and getting 2 straps for one...

    Are you actually for real? Is Diaz the 145 pound Champion?


  • #1508
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    Are you actually for real? Is Diaz the 145 pound Champion?


    WTF are you on about?

    If you come under the 155 limit the belt can be on the line (they'd be fighting at 145) nothing to say you have to be on or near 155, you can be 150 and fight for the lw belt Diaz has nothing to do with this scenario.


  • #1509
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Gamebred wrote: »
    WTF are you on about?

    If you come under the 155 limit the belt can be on the line (they'd be fighting at 145) nothing to say you have to be on or near 155, you can be 150 and fight for the lw belt Diaz has nothing to do with this scenario.

    Do you really think that

    1. The UFC would allow two belts to be defended in the one fight. Especially with Aldo's activity.
    2. McGregor would defend the LW title weighing in at 145 and taking the risk of losing both belts.
    3. Aldo would get a LW title shot

    and to you're original point, I doubt the fight would do bigger numbers with two belts on the line, seeing at the second Diaz fight looks to have done more on PPV then UFC 205.


  • #1510
    Gamebred
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    TimRiggins wrote: »
    Do you really think that

    1. The UFC would allow two belts to be defended in the one fight. Especially with Aldo's activity.
    2. McGregor would defend the LW title weighing in at 145 and taking the risk of losing both belts.
    3. Aldo would get a LW title shot

    and to you're original point, I doubt the fight would do bigger numbers with two belts on the line, seeing at the second Diaz fight looks to have done more on PPV then UFC 205.


    No I never said I think it could happen im wondering if its allowed to have 2 belts on the line at once considering the 10lb difference to LW, I'm guessing it would be once the holder agrees to it.


  • #1511
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Light weight isn't just below 155. It's 146-155. You can't fight at featherweight and lightweight at the same time.


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  • #1512
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Light weight isn't just below 155. It's 146-155. You can't fight at featherweight and lightweight at the same time.
    Technically you could make weight for both on the same day pretty easily.

    At 205 for example, Conor was a LW at the official morning weigh-in, and was certainly within the WW limits for the stage weight-in. So he made weight for both limits within the required timeframe.

    But making weight isn't the issue, they still need to get a commission to sanction it. Which is not going to happen.


  • #1513
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Mellor wrote: »
    Technically you could make weight for both on the same day pretty easily.

    At 205 for example, Conor was a LW at the official morning weigh-in, and was certainly within the WW limits for the stage weight-in. So he made weight for both limits within the required timeframe.

    But making weight isn't the issue, they still need to get a commission to sanction it. Which is not going to happen.

    Can't have two official weights for the same fight.


  • #1514
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Mellor wrote: »
    Technically you could make weight for both on the same day pretty easily.

    At 205 for example, Conor was a LW at the official morning weigh-in, and was certainly within the WW limits for the stage weight-in. So he made weight for both limits within the required timeframe.

    But making weight isn't the issue, they still need to get a commission to sanction it. Which is not going to happen.

    The required time frame wasn't the stage weigh in though, It was the morning weigh in. The only place Conor can defend 2 belts at once is the WWE.


  • #1515
    bobbyss
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    rob316 wrote: »
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    Kids shouldn't be watching UFC, save your outrage for their parents.

    Generation of snowflakes, outraged by anything that isn't PC.

    Fair point. I agree with you that children should not be watching.

    I can't think of many other sports where language like that is used so freely live on TV. The reason being is that it is disrespectful to the viewers, which include children.


  • #1516
    TimRiggins
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    bobbyss wrote: »
    Fair point. I agree with you that children should not be watching.

    I can't think of many other sports where language like that is used so freely live on TV. The reason being is that it is disrespectful to the viewers, which include children.

    If you don't like it and feel disrespected, turn it off. Nobody is forcing you to watch it.


  • #1517
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    The required time frame wasn't the stage weigh in though, It was the morning weigh in. The only place Conor can defend 2 belts at once is the WWE.
    I don't think correct. The rules governing the weigh-in state that the fighter has to make weigh within certain time frames. The rules haven't changed.
    The early weigh-in is just an easier option that they are giving to the fighters. Weighing in at the normal 4pm show is still 24hours out from the event.

    I'm not suggesting it would ever happen. I'm just wondering whether anything specifically prevents is
    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Can't have two official weights for the same fight.
    That sounds logical. But is it written down anywhere? It's such a weird situation that I'd be surprised if it is.
    Who stops the sanctioning bodies in boxing (WBO, IBF etc) doing whatever they like with their titles? The UFC are the sanctioning body. They can realistically have the power to do what ever they want.

    I'm not suggesting it will happen of course. Just playing devils advocate in terms of the black and white rules.


  • #1518
    bobbyss
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    TimRiggins wrote: »
    If you don't like it and feel disrespected, turn it off. Nobody is forcing you to watch it.

    Other world class sportspeople, Katie Taylor, Andy Murray, Roger Federer, Johnny Sexton and so on don't debase their sport or their fans in similar fashion.

    Would you ever hear Brian O'Driscoll use that sort of language?

    So I am trying to understand why McGregor does.


  • #1519
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Other world class sportspeople, Katie Taylor, Andy Murray, Roger Federer, Johnny Sexton and so on don't debase their sport or their fans in similar fashion.

    Would you ever hear Brian O'Driscoll use that sort of language?

    So I am trying to understand why McGregor does.
    If you were on the field with them I'm sure you would here people cursing all the time.

    Maybe you are genuinely offended. But I honestly find that odd.
    They weren't directed at you. They are just words. It's 216, I thought at this point we as a society had progressed beyond the idea that certain sounds are inherently taboo.


  • #1520
    bobbyss
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    Mellor wrote: »
    If you were on the field with them I'm sure you would here people cursing all the time.

    Maybe you are genuinely offended. But I honestly find that odd.
    They weren't directed at you. They are just words. It's 216, I thought at this point we as a society had progressed beyond the idea that certain sounds are inherently taboo.

    I am referring to live interviews not on the field stuff. You would not hear any All Black use language like McGregor in a post match interview. No footballer. No tennis player. No jockey. No GAA player. Why does McGregor?


  • #1521
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    bobbyss wrote: »
    I am referring to live interviews not on the field stuff. You would not hear any All Black use language like McGregor in a post match interview. No footballer. No tennis player. No jockey. No GAA player. Why does McGregor?
    And you likely wouldn't hear Conor talking like that live on the late late show, or a day time RTE interview. There's a difference a daytime broadcast on the BBC and a post fight interview at 1am. Surely you realise that.

    You say "Why does McGregor", but I say "Why do you care?"

    Celebrities curse on late night talk shows as the audience is made up of adults. Movies and television with adult content is full of cursing, more importantly so is real life. I curse regularly myself. I'd be fairly sure that the All-Blacks, Ruby Walsh and most athletes you mention curse when they are at home or when the camera aren't there.


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  • #1522
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Mellor wrote: »
    I don't think correct. The rules governing the weigh-in state that the fighter has to make weigh within certain time frames. The rules haven't changed.
    The early weigh-in is just an easier option that they are giving to the fighters. Weighing in at the normal 4pm show is still 24hours out from the event.

    I'm not suggesting it would ever happen. I'm just wondering whether anything specifically prevents is


    That sounds logical. But is it written down anywhere? It's such a weird situation that I'd be surprised if it is.
    Who stops the sanctioning bodies in boxing (WBO, IBF etc) doing whatever they like with their titles? The UFC are the sanctioning body. They can realistically have the power to do what ever they want.

    I'm not suggesting it will happen of course. Just playing devils advocate in terms of the black and white rules.

    Remember the UFC 200 weigh ins? Miesha Tate weighed in just at the deadline of 10:00 am. Pretty sure you can only weigh in between certain times, being a few hours apart.


  • #1523
    Dave0301
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    bobbyss wrote: »
    I am referring to live interviews not on the field stuff. You would not hear any All Black use language like McGregor in a post match interview. No footballer. No tennis player. No jockey. No GAA player. Why does McGregor?

    Did you find this disrespectful also?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7mVo2jmoNo


  • #1524
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Mellor wrote: »
    And this is the crux of the issue. We have a 2 credibly contenders at each weight. No matter who he fights next, somebody will accuse him of ducking the other.

    But the current situation was the result of a few factors, and not just McGregor. Say RDA never got injured, and neither did Ferguson.
    That would mean Conor potentially won the LW title in March (alongside Khabib v Tony). Rematched Aldo in July (alongside Edgar v Max). And defended the LW title around now.
    In that case there'd only be Frankie or Max at FW and perhaps Alvarez at LW. A much cleaner picture.

    There is one contender at 145. Aldo.


  • #1525
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There is one contender at 145. Aldo.
    Not really tbh.
    Aldo is the No.1 Contender, for obvious reasons, and the fact that he holds the Interim belt.
    Max Holloway is also clearly a contender, as essentially title eliminators against Lamas and Stephens.

    Now Max faces Pettis were a win will cement his ontender status, and a lose will springboard Pettis to the fore.

    Not all contenders are equal. That doesn't exclude them from being cotenders


  • #1526
    GerryDerpy
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    Dave0301 wrote: »
    Did you find this disrespectful also?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7mVo2jmoNo

    Conversation. Ended.


  • #1527
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Mellor wrote: »
    Not really tbh.
    Aldo is the No.1 Contender, for obvious reasons, and the fact that he holds the Interim belt.
    Max Holloway is also clearly a contender, as essentially title eliminators against Lamas and Stephens.

    Now Max faces Pettis were a win will cement his ontender status, and a lose will springboard Pettis to the fore.

    Not all contenders are equal. That doesn't exclude them from being cotenders

    The interim belt holder is the only contender for the 145 strap as it stands. The interim bout was set up to see who would fight for the belt. Aldo won.


  • #1528
    Depp
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    quick hypothetical that ive been wondering, say they organize aldo mcgregor 2, then aldo gets injured a few weeks out, max, frankie, pettis etc. steps in and wins...does aldo keep the interim strap?


  • #1529
    mdwexford
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The interim belt holder is the only contender for the 145 strap as it stands. The interim bout was set up to see who would fight for the belt. Aldo won.

    Think you need to look up the definition of contender.


  • #1530
    finglashoop
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    Depp wrote: »
    quick hypothetical that ive been wondering, say they organize aldo mcgregor 2, then aldo gets injured a few weeks out, max, frankie, pettis etc. steps in and wins...does aldo keep the interim strap?

    Probably. Interim is a guarantee you get next shot. If your injured id presume you keep your shot regardless who holds he belt if someone steps in.


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  • #1531
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Think you need to look up the definition of contender.

    I know what a contender is, thanks.

    Edgar-Aldo was the decider to see who would fight McGregor. Aldo won. He is the only person in line to fight McGregor at 145 at the moment, barring injury.


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