New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

eagle eye · 15-11-2016 06:03PM

So just to get things straight, we are leading the conference and it's all doom and gloom here?

Wtf is going on? If we start to fall behind and are not looking like having HFA for the playoffs then fine, bring it but why are you guys complaining over one loss against possibly the best side in the NFC.

Oh and by the way they do have a good offense. Wilson was struggling with injury and they have had a lot of trouble at the running back position but it's all come together the last couple of weeks for them.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 15-11-2016 08:20PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If we start to fall behind and are not looking like having HFA for the playoffs then fine, bring it but why are you guys complaining over one loss against possibly the best side in the NFC.

I'm not complaining about the defense, cause I didn't think too highly about them in the first place. And for me, lack of talent is the biggest factor.

I didn't have a problem with Jones going (he'll probably get over paid), but even his good production hasn't been replaced. Same with Collins; I trust Bill had a good reason to trade him, but his ability was unlikely to be replaced easily. We have a highly paid safety, that plays like a mid-tier safety. There's no pass rush, or a semblance of pressure on the opposition QB.

We'll make the playoffs. We probably will make the AFC game. But Denver could do what they did last year. The Raiders look to be a good team that could upset us. Perhaps one of other AFC teams will nail us on the day.

For me it's all on the offense. And it could take us all the way. But if the offense doesn't click on the day, or the OL parts like the red-sea; then we can lose against a quality team.

AbusesToilets · 16-11-2016 12:19AM

eagle eye wrote: »

So just to get things straight, we are leading the conference and it's all doom and gloom here?

Wtf is going on? If we start to fall behind and are not looking like having HFA for the playoffs then fine, bring it but why are you guys complaining over one loss against possibly the best side in the NFC.

Oh and by the way they do have a good offense. Wilson was struggling with injury and they have had a lot of trouble at the running back position but it's all come together the last couple of weeks for them.

Is it really saying anything to be leading the AFC East? The playoffs are what matters, and it's not looking promising that we will have success there.

TOss Sweep · 16-11-2016 02:56AM

eagle eye wrote: »

So just to get things straight, we are leading the conference and it's all doom and gloom here?

What doom and gloom? Our defense is shocking and hasn't been good for a long time. Our offense has been carrying them for many years now. Our defense have stepped up when necessary in years gone with the right players in place but for a lot of fans that confidence is waning.

Wtf is going on? If we start to fall behind and are not looking like having HFA for the playoffs then fine, bring it but why are you guys complaining over one loss against possibly the best side in the NFC.

Oh and by the way they do have a good offense. Wilson was struggling with injury and they have had a lot of trouble at the running back position but it's all come together the last couple of weeks for them.

Oh come on this is the same nonsense the commentators were feeding us. That Seahawks team is nowhere as good as it is made out to be and we handed them the game on a plate. Non existent pass rush with Wilson having an eternity in the pocket and a rush defense that was hit and miss. The Seahawks keyed in on the loss of Collins by hitting balls shallow and across the middle and they used Doug Baldwin quite well in doing so.

As for the AFC East???? Really? Come on we all know the Patriots with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick will breeze through that division. As it has been said is what happens in the playoffs. We have been quite spoiled in the last 15 years but we all know that time is running out and any day could be Tom's last. But man that defense are not going to win a bowl for us playing the way they are.

eagle eye · 16-11-2016 10:53AM

TO, I never mentioned the AFC East, I said we are leading the conference.

The Seahawks offense has been motoring for the last couple of weeks since Wilson got back to full health. Graham has finally got going for them which makes a huge difference.

This game was a reversal of the Superbowl, we stopped them at the goal-line back then, they did it to us the other night. It would've been nice to get the win but it's not the end of the world losing to them.

Our D is ranked sixth in scoring, only the Vikings, Seahawks, Eagles, Cards and Ravens are ahead of us and for me that is the most important stat. We are conceding on average 18.1 points per game. If we can maintain that then we are serious contenders.

The Seahawks game was the first time we conceded over 25 points in a game this season.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 16-11-2016 11:19AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Our D is ranked sixth in scoring, only the Vikings, Seahawks, Eagles, Cards and Ravens are ahead of us and for me that is the most important stat. We are conceding on average 18.1 points per game. If we can maintain that then we are serious contenders.

The Seahawks game was the first time we conceded over 25 points in a game this season.

The thing is, we faced some average/poor QB's in our first number of games. Wilson/Hawks are the type of team we'll face on a SB run, and we conceded 31pts. So the average pts doesn't mean as much to me.

I'm not all doom and gloom. It'll require a good day from the defense and an even better day from the offense if we want to lift Lombardi. Certainly a possibility. I just won't be surprised if we bow out tamely when we meet a good team in the playoffs.

eagle eye · 16-11-2016 01:45PM

Well let's have a look at who we faced so far.

The Cards are averaging 22.4 points per game, they scored 21 against us in Arizona.
The Dolphins averaging 22.7 ppg score 24 against us in Gillette.
The Texans averaging 17.9 ppg scored 0 against us.
The Bills averaging 26.3 ppg scored 16 against us in Buffalo and 25 against us in Gillette.
The Browns averaging 17.5 ppg scored 13 against us.
The Bengals average 20.8 ppg scored 17 against us.
The Steelers averaging 23.8 ppg scored 16 against us. It has to be noted here that Landry Jones was replacing Roethlisberger in that game.

And this leaves the Seahawks who are averaging 21.4 ppg and scored 31 against us. This is our worst performance defensively this season. I think they are a different outfit the last couple of weeks though with Wilson fully fit again.

Anyways so far this season there are two teams that have beaten their scoring average against us and those teams are the Dolphins and the Seahawks.
In the other seven games the teams have failed to match their average scoring.

Things are not nearly as bad as some people are trying to make out.

D9Male · 16-11-2016 02:30PM

As an outsider, I would be closer to eagle eye's viewpoint. I think NE are equipped to win a Super Bowl. Their offence is Top 3 when Gronk and Brady are playing. Arguably best in the league.

Their defence is average. Not below average. In terms of yards allowed, the Patriots are T17th, in Football Outsiders' stats they are ranked 18th. BES ranks the Patriots' D in 17th place.

Obviously, the Patriots' chances would improve if they had a better D. But the same could be said for the Raiders, the Cowboys and the Falcons. And on the flip side, teams like the Broncos and Chiefs are good defensively, but weak offensively.

The only potential playoff team that is close to balanced in my view is the Seahawks. And the Patriots were a DPI call away from beating them (I think it wasn't a flag, but I have seen them given).

Put it this way, their defence is way better than Denver's offence last season.

TOss Sweep · 16-11-2016 05:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well let's have a look at who we faced so far.

The Cards are averaging 22.4 points per game, they scored 21 against us in Arizona.
The Dolphins averaging 22.7 ppg score 24 against us in Gillette.
The Texans averaging 17.9 ppg scored 0 against us.
The Bills averaging 26.3 ppg scored 16 against us in Buffalo and 25 against us in Gillette.
The Browns averaging 17.5 ppg scored 13 against us.
The Bengals average 20.8 ppg scored 17 against us.
The Steelers averaging 23.8 ppg scored 16 against us. It has to be noted here that Landry Jones was replacing Roethlisberger in that game.

And this leaves the Seahawks who are averaging 21.4 ppg and scored 31 against us. This is our worst performance defensively this season. I think they are a different outfit the last couple of weeks though with Wilson fully fit again.

Anyways so far this season there are two teams that have beaten their scoring average against us and those teams are the Dolphins and the Seahawks.
In the other seven games the teams have failed to match their average scoring.

Things are not nearly as bad as some people are trying to make out.

One key point though is the Seahawks game was the first one without one of the key players to all of the above. I am not saying our defense is sh1t but it is evident the loss of Collins ability has left a hole in the middle of the defense and the worry for every body would be playing a strong team in the playoffs who find the same space the Seahawks do.

I don't worry about the regular season. My concern is that defense being good enough when it matters in the playoffs.

BizzyC · 17-11-2016 07:53AM

If we're going to be able to continue without Collins covering the hole and picking up backs in coverage, we're going to need a much better pass rush.

JaMarcusHustle · 19-11-2016 08:04AM

Gronk and Hogan out for tomorrow. Lewis was on the flight though.

Sheard was posting pictures from the Celtics game last night so he's obviously not on the flight and appears to be a healthy scratch. Whoever can figure out what's going on with this defence, fair play to you.

TOss Sweep · 19-11-2016 04:15PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Gronk and Hogan out for tomorrow. Lewis was on the flight though.

Sheard was posting pictures from the Celtics game last night so he's obviously not on the flight and appears to be a healthy scratch. Whoever can figure out what's going on with this defence, fair play to you.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sheard is gone next. Barely played in that last game and now not on the flight. What a weird fooking season defensively.

AbusesToilets · 19-11-2016 04:26PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Sheard is gone next. Barely played in that last game and now not on the flight. What a weird fooking season defensively.

Is this upcoming draft class quality for defensive players? I'd love to hear BB or Patricia explain their concept for their scheme.

JaMarcusHustle · 20-11-2016 03:02PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Sheard is gone next. Barely played in that last game and now not on the flight. What a weird fooking season defensively.

Yup, Rapoport reporting that it was purely a performance-based decision. Not performing now that Jones isn't there to attract attention on the other side of the line.

Recognition Scene · 20-11-2016 06:02PM

About to hop in the car and drive down to Levi's for the game. Go Pats!

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 09:40PM

Gost, another missed extra pt.
Crazy day for it!

TOss Sweep · 20-11-2016 10:27PM

Defense play like sh1t again

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 10:38PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Defense play like sh1t again

They've gotten 5 sacks, but again not enough consistent play in the secondary. I don't like to keep repeating it, but McCourthy is not playing even near close to his paycheck. I don't mind him getting beat at times, it's the constant lack of plays that annoys me.

And Ryan sucks.

And Solider with two pens so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he costs us further points.

TOss Sweep · 20-11-2016 10:41PM

That is the thing the one game we have sacks we cant even stop their passing. Making Kap look solid we are. Passes a ross the middle again and once again i hate to beat a dead horse but Collins would be the difference. Useless effort all round

TOss Sweep · 20-11-2016 10:41PM

Edit double post

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 10:42PM

Lewis showing what he can do. Big player to have back if he stays healthy (and returns to previous form).

TOss Sweep · 20-11-2016 11:16PM

We are horrible today.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 11:20PM

I really get sick of seeing Blount run for no gain or at best 2yds. He's got 9 carries for 61yds so far, but that includes a 44yd gain (so 8 for 17yds otherwise). It's like losing a down each time.

TOss Sweep · 20-11-2016 11:23PM

Thing is with Blount we are not running enough and the 49ers have a decent run defense. We need to have more faith in the run.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 11:32PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Thing is with Blount we are not running enough and the 49ers have a decent run defense. We need to have more faith in the run.

Tough to keep running when Blount is averaging a little over 2yds without the one big play.
Brady is averaging over 4yds :P

And a sweet move by Brady for the TD!!

j8wk2feszrnpao · 20-11-2016 11:58PM

More nice footwork by Brady, that should be the killing score.
Hopefully we now get through the rest of the game without injury.

eagle eye · 21-11-2016 01:45AM

We gave up 17 points to the niners who are averaging 21.8 per game. Eight of the ten teams we have met so far this season have failed to reach their average points per game against us.

TOss Sweep · 21-11-2016 03:15AM

eagle eye wrote: »

We gave up 17 points to the niners who are averaging 21.8 per game. Eight of the ten teams we have met so far this season have failed to reach their average points per game against us.

204 points scored 10 games is 20.4

But Stats do not tell the whole story here and if you truly believe there is no problems with that defense then that is your opinion but that secondary was shocking at times and we should not be allowing a 1-9 team put up a score like that early and allowing a QB who is awful look almost perfect. In the end the game went were a 1-9 team should go and that was lose steam and fold but there are no excuses from certain performances out there.

SantryRed · 21-11-2016 08:45AM

eagle eye wrote: »

We gave up 17 points to the niners who are averaging 21.8 per game. Eight of the ten teams we have met so far this season have failed to reach their average points per game against us.

The lengths you are going to to defend the indefensible is incredible. The Pats D was outright crap yesterday. And the trade of Collins is looking more and more terrible a decision with each game.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 21-11-2016 09:01AM

eagle eye wrote: »

We gave up 17 points to the niners who are averaging 21.8 per game. Eight of the ten teams we have met so far this season have failed to reach their average points per game against us.

And the only SB contender we've played resulted in conceding 31pts (should have been 32pts).
Our D, conceding slightly less than these non-contenders average, isn't exactly filling us with hope come playoff time.

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