El Presidente Trump

Billy86 · 12-11-2016 01:08PM

It's quite comical how someone calling themselves 'Amerika' can actually represent so well what is wrong with America - the hypocrisy caused by valuing a political party over their own country.

Now:

Amerika wrote: »

There are a very few good aspects to it like not being turned down or having your insurance cancelled. If Trump can't amend it and overhaul it to something good he will repeal and replace it.

Then:

Amerika wrote: »

You can put lipstick on pig, but it’s still a pig.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/11/03/Obamacare-Being-Repealed-Consumers-Providers-and-Insurers

And for a little more detail:

Amerika wrote: »

ObamaCare is a complete failure, and I contend was always meant to fail so Democrats can push through a overly costly, highly inefficient, bloated government controlled single-payer system. Our horrible VA system on steroids… wonderful!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2016/05/30/obamacare-is-failing-on-purpose/#4b170b853edd

Amerika wrote: »

No republican voted for it. Nice try, but no cigar. Democrats own ObamaCare, lock, stock and barrel. And I take it you are alluding to RommeyCare. The only chance that had to succeed was because Massachusetts was one of the most affluent states in the nation and because a very large percentage of the population already had employer provided insurance. And it failed anyway. Anyone with any common sense would have know it couldn’t work for the rest of the nation.

Amerika wrote: »

Let’s face it, the only fix Democrats really want to make to ObamaCare is to replace it with a costly and inefficient public option government-run health care system. That is not ObamaCare. A single-payer healthcare will fail in the US just as badly as ObamaCare has because government officials catering to special interest groups would refuse to do what is necessary to keep healthcare spending from spiraling out of control.

oik · 12-11-2016 01:11PM

Van Jones Of The NAACP just made comments on CNN about how Trump is behaving in the best possible way since getting elected.

The strategy here is clear. The BLM protestors are starting to harm to Democratic Party so theyre trying to tone down their own rhetoric.

Van Jones is the guy who coined whitelash to describe Trumps victory just a few days ago.

oik · 12-11-2016 01:12PM

Van Jones Of The NAACP just made comments on CNN about how Trump is behaving in the best possible way since getting elected.

The strategy here is clear. The BLM protestors are starting to harm to Democratic Party so theyre trying to tone down their own rhetoric.

Van Jones is the guy who coined whitelash to describe Trumps victory just a few days ago.

gandalf · 12-11-2016 01:17PM

Eh no the Democratic Party harmed themselves massively when they choose Hillary as their candidate.

What is apparent now is that Trump is being managed into a more acceptable position by handlers in the Republican party. Probably because he has realises that he is completely out of his depth in the political environment. Watch as his presidency becomes everything he promised it wouldn't be

take everything · 12-11-2016 01:23PM

What's very depressing is the possibility of the likes of Newt Gingrich and Rudi Guliani being anywhere near power. Lifer republican ideologues. Bill Burr does a good bit on them comparing them to guys that never ****ing die in some Stallone movie.

Widdershins · 12-11-2016 01:28PM

I haven't seen any negative reactions from his supporters. As has been said, he behaved appropriately for the situation nn giving is opponent some credit in being respectful to Obama.

He can't win with some people.

rossie1977 · 12-11-2016 01:42PM

biko wrote: »

Leftists - Trump won, can you now please get back to regular scheduled programming? I doubt Trump supporters would be harping on and on as much as this.

Are you serious? Republicans still don't accept Obama 8 years later

There would have been war had Hillary won. There was already talk of rigged elections and calls to arms by elected Republican officials before the election so i can just imagine the backlash had she won..of course had she won the house /senate would have blocked her at every turn like they did Obama.

The hardcore far right rose from Obamas election, within weeks of his inauguration the tea party protests swept American cities and here we are 8 years later where a guy like Ted Cruz was deemed too moderate.

The left now see the Democrats as too weak and the next 4-8 years will see a massive change in American politics..just like in Northern Ireland where the SDLP/Ulster Unionists voices were pushed aside for the more extreme Sinn Fein and DUP, fighting fire with fire if you will.

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:04PM

biko wrote: »

It was a pretty nasty campaign altogether. Neither side was very nice during the campaign.

Leftists - Trump won, can you now please get back to regular scheduled programming? I doubt Trump supporters would be harping on and on as much as this.

Oh we would, I'd be mighty vexed if she got in and the Saudis got their way. I'd never stop whingeing.

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:09PM

gandalf wrote: »

Maybe but he also said.

And the Obamacare rollback?

Wow.. The pres elect wants to focus on more important things like healthcare and jobs first, because Hillary. is out of the way now and can be dealt with later.

It's hilariously amazing to watch him set up to try and start doing the things you lot were afraid he wouldn't, and watch you STILL give out stink

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:14PM

dark crystal wrote: »

He'll have to rollback on quite a lot of things he said during his campaign. No president wants to start his term with people rioting.

**** the protesters, tbh. Have you ever noticed when ever tolerant, leftists "protest" the masks and face kerchiefs come out, and cars and shops burn? They're scumbags more interested in disruption and looting than anything else, looking for an exit for their violent urges. Their opinions are mercifully mattering less and less.

HellSquirrel · 12-11-2016 02:20PM

oik wrote: »

Only a special snowflake would get butthurt over the phrase special snowflake.

Nah, some people just think that using the phrase as a lazy way to dismiss anything someone else says is short-sighted, poor debater rude and ignorant.

What does it even bloody mean? Ooh, you voted for -Obama-, you're such a special snowflake! Oh, you think that gay conversion therapy is a disgusting practice, you special snowflake! You think that the Clear Skies Act was a deliberate weakening of the provisions of the Clean Air Act that protected numerous people from the effects of air pollution and asthma..you special snowflake!

Sorry, it's a stupid and lazy argument to descend straight to insults against the person rather than what they're saying.

It's nearly as dumb as "cuck" or "beta". "I cannot argue with what you're saying so I'll call you names, you big meanie poophead!"

Mr Joe · 12-11-2016 02:25PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Sorry, it's a stupid and lazy argument to descend straight to insults against the person rather than what they're saying.

It's nearly as dumb as "cuck" or "beta". "I cannot argue with what you're saying so I'll call you names, you big meanie poophead!"

Bit like call people sexist, racists, homopohobic, bigots for voting for Trump or Brexit.I'm afraid it was Liberals who lowered the conversation down that level.

You guys will never learn.

ebbsy · 12-11-2016 02:27PM

take everything wrote: »

What's very depressing is the possibility of the likes of Newt Gingrich and Rudi Guliani being anywhere near power. Lifer republican ideologues. Bill Burr does a good bit on them comparing them to guys that never ****ing die in some Stallone movie.

Gingrich stood by him all the way. He deserves a spot.

HellSquirrel · 12-11-2016 02:31PM

Mr Joe wrote: »

Bit like call people sexist, racists, homopohobic, bigots for voting for Trump or Brexit.I'm afraid it was Liberals who lowered the conversation down that level.

You guys will never learn.

Yeees, the poor innocent Trump supporters never did anything wrong and Trump and Pence themselves never said anything sexist, racist or homophobic that disgusted liberal-leaning people.

Yes, the left-wing has its arrogant streak, just as the right-wing has its bigoted streak (again, I will point you to Pence's gay conversion therapy ideas). Yes, that arrogant streak is exceptionally annoying. But it doesn't mean that they don't have a point, same as the right-wing, particularly the rural areas of the US (which makes up a lot more of its landmass than the colours of the states would imply) have a point.

But descending to "lol, if you think the phrase special snowflake is dumb, you are obviously a special snowflake!" is...I don't think I've come across that level of "I know you are but what am I" style debate since primary school.

oik · 12-11-2016 02:31PM

gandalf wrote: »

Eh no the Democratic Party harmed themselves massively when they choose Hillary as their candidate.

What is apparent now is that Trump is being managed into a more acceptable position by handlers in the Republican party. Probably because he has realises that he is completely out of his depth in the political environment. Watch as his presidency becomes everything he promised it wouldn't be

There's video doing the rounds of Trump saying that you act differently when you're president to when you're running for president. People are trying to argue that this is his version of Hillary's public and private position, but the question he was asked by the interviewer was about his style and persona.

It's pretty clear that Trump is following through on March election promise to "be more presidential than anybody."

dark crystal · 12-11-2016 02:32PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

**** the protesters, tbh. Have you ever noticed when ever tolerant, leftists "protest" the masks and face kerchiefs come out, and cars and shops burn? They're scumbags more interested in disruption and looting than anything else, looking for an exit for their violent urges. Their opinions are mercifully mattering less and less.

I don't think tolerant leftists can be blamed for the mask and kerchief brigade - you will get a violent element shoehorning themselves into any protest, tbh.

I agree with what someone else said a few posts back; had Hillary won, you would have had protests too, probably based around the idea that Trump planted during the campaign that it was all rigged (I suspect he'll rollback on that opinion now too, though).

As for the left's opinions mattering less, if this election is anything to go by, it's a prudent warning that everyone's opinion matters. You can't go into a presidency marginalising certain people and not expect there to be opposition to that. People are legitimately fearful about their healthcare, their rights as immigrants, their rights as women and members of the LGBT community and how Trump will impact the future of the planet by rejecting the Paris agreement.

Ignoring or denigrating those fears will only alienate people further and lead to the kind of scenes we're seeing all over America at the moment. If President Trump really wants to be voice for all people, as he indicated in his acceptance speech, he will have no choice but to rethink many of his campaign policies.

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:33PM

gandalf wrote: »

Eh no the Democratic Party harmed themselves massively when they choose Hillary as their candidate.

What is apparent now is that Trump is being managed into a more acceptable position by handlers in the Republican party. Probably because he has realises that he is completely out of his depth in the political environment. Watch as his presidency becomes everything he promised it wouldn't be

As long as Yanks and Ruskies lower the aul weapons, I'm happy.
Everything else is secondary to me, personally, though granted I would quite like to see the lad tango with the real evil running the Federal Reserve...

If Obamacare is changed to serve people instead of the 16,000 IRS agents getting fat on fining people for not buying insurance, great.

If immigration gets much stricter, great.

If He gets jobs going for "uneducated" masses, great, because leaving them to fester will allow an actual fascist or extreme national socialist to take hold...

You see, most of the people you're drooling at the prospect of being disappointed into suicide actually won't be. Many of the "racists" who voted for Trump voted for Obama. Many of the "sexists who just don't want a woman to succeed" previously voted for Palin.
Must be hard seeing the cracks forming in a narrative so many people stake their jobs on in the hopes of easy money for telling people they need help

oik · 12-11-2016 02:35PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I don't think tolerant leftists can be blamed for the mask and kerchief brigade - you will get a violent element shoehorning themselves into any protest, tbh.

I agree with what someone else said above; had Hillary won, you would have had protests too, probably based around the idea that Trump planted during the campaign that it was all rigged (I suspect he'll rollback on that opinion now too, though).

As for the left's opinions mattering less, if this election is anything to go by, it's a prudent warning that everyone's opinion matters. You can't go into a presidency marginalising certain people and not expect there to be opposition to that. People are legitimately fearful about their healthcare, their rights as immigrants, their rights as women and members of the LGBT community and how Trump will impact the future of the planet by rejecting the Paris agreement.

Ignoring or denigrating those fears will only alienate people further and lead to the kind of scenes we're seeing all over America at the moment. If President Trump really wants to be voice for all people, as he indicated in his acceptance speech, he will have no choice but to rethink many of his campaign policies.

HuffPo today posted an article defending Melania Trump. You should see the comments from tolerant leftists and feminists underneath. Utterly vile.

This election has been vile but it absolutely is not Trump's fault. I know it's not because I can remember 2012 and 2008 pretty vividly and it was just the same.

A Little Pony · 12-11-2016 02:35PM

Even Conor Mcgregor is basically telling them to all calm down.

dark crystal · 12-11-2016 02:41PM

oik wrote: »

HuffPo today posted an article defending Melania Trump. You should see the comments from tolerant leftists and feminists underneath. Utterly vile.

This election has been vile but it absolutely is not Trump's fault. I know it's not because I can remember 2012 and 2008 pretty vividly and it was just the same.

You don't think Hillary got the same treatment from Trump supporters? Come on, now!

The fact you can't assign any blame to Trump for the tone of this election speaks volumes about your bias, tbh. He advocated violence during his speeches ffs!

ebbsy · 12-11-2016 02:41PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

dark crystal wrote: »

He'll have to rollback on quite a lot of things he said during his campaign. No president wants to start his term with people rioting.

**** the protesters, tbh. Have you ever noticed when ever tolerant, leftists "protest" the masks and face kerchiefs come out, and cars and shops burn? They're scumbags more interested in disruption and looting than anything else, looking for an exit for their violent urges. Their opinions are mercifully mattering less and less.

I'd say Trump is delighted with the protesting. In fact he was encouraging it in his tweets.

Makes the Democrats look more foolish, if that's possible.

Cartouche · 12-11-2016 02:42PM

Hes been elected a few days and he is on tv rolling back on stuff he said during the election campaign. Major policy changes too..... the guy is full of ****
The people who voted for Trump and "change" are going to be horribly dissappointed

HellSquirrel · 12-11-2016 02:44PM

Oh sheesh. Look, gloat away. Your side "won", as if it wasn't one country to begin with. But keep paying attention to politics, to the policies and words and actions of the people you want to support. The way for evil to win is for good people to do nothing, and both sides have their extremist points of view. Now, I personally think that Trump and his campaign have exemplified the extremist point of view on the right. Hopefully his presidency will prove me wrong, because the extremist right running a country is as destructive as the extremist left and I would actually prefer people not to suffer just to prove my point!

So far, I'm not encouraged by his actions. I will also be inclined to roll my eyes if he continues on as normal (albeit a bit incompetently) and then claims the full credit for doing good by the country. I don't like him. I think he's destructive, selfish, narcissistic, not particularly bright, and can't bear to lose or compromise. However, he's president of the United States and that's that. It's the people there that will suffer or benefit as a result of his actions and I'd prefer benefit overall.

I actually find it worse that people dismiss "experts" as if it's shameful to think, read and study. It's not. And I frankly prefer a mentally disciplined person in a position of power than a mentally lazy fool.

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:45PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I don't think tolerant leftists can be blamed for the mask and kerchief brigade - you will get a violent element shoehorning themselves into any protest, tbh.

I agree with what someone else said a few posts back; had Hillary won, you would have had protests too, probably based around the idea that Trump planted during the campaign that it was all rigged (I suspect he'll rollback on that opinion now too, though).

As for the left's opinions mattering less, if this election is anything to go by, it's a prudent warning that everyone's opinion matters. You can't go into a presidency marginalising certain people and not expect there to be opposition to that. People are legitimately fearful about their healthcare, their rights as immigrants, their rights as women and members of the LGBT community and how Trump will impact the future of the planet by rejecting the Paris agreement.

Ignoring or denigrating those fears will only alienate people further and lead to the kind of scenes we're seeing all over America at the moment. If President Trump really wants to be voice for all people, as he indicated in his acceptance speech, he will have no choice but to rethink many of his campaign policies.

What fears!? Jesus It's America. Not some country where they're guaranteed to be excectued by the state. They need to realise that and toughen up, because people have it a lot worse than they ever, ever will.

Women don't have to worry, He's not going to ban them from working, driving or voting. Thankfully, many didn't fall for a trick nearly 15 years waiting to be deployed.

Gays and LGBT and everyone else should calm down too, look up his address after Orlando. They're another crowd that are going to have to harden up and accept that people will come from cultures that kill them for sport, and that far stricter immigration will be necessary to protect their values.

As for the environment, well..... The biggest lie about that is that you can actually do something about whats coming - like, remotely... - so I don't generally put much stock in anything either side says.

oik · 12-11-2016 02:45PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Yeees, the poor innocent Trump supporters never did anything wrong and Trump and Pence themselves never said anything sexist, racist or homophobic that disgusted liberal-leaning people.

Yes, the left-wing has its arrogant streak, just as the right-wing has its bigoted streak (again, I will point you to Pence's gay conversion therapy ideas). Yes, that arrogant streak is exceptionally annoying. But it doesn't mean that they don't have a point, same as the right-wing, particularly the rural areas of the US (which makes up a lot more of its landmass than the colours of the states would imply) have a point.

But descending to "lol, if you think the phrase special snowflake is dumb, you are obviously a special snowflake!" is...I don't think I've come across that level of "I know you are but what am I" style debate since primary school.

The point of the boy who cried wolf was that at the end an actual wolf came along.

Mr Joe · 12-11-2016 02:45PM

More tolerant progressive Liberals accepting the election result unlike Trump would have. These poor oppressed minorities, this old man deserved to be put in a coma for daring vote for Trump.....:rolleyes:

And still you people defend these types.

HellSquirrel · 12-11-2016 02:46PM

oik wrote: »

At the end of the boy who cried wolf an actual wolf came along.

I...nearly see where you might have been going with that, but if it's how I'm translating it, I'm a bit bemused by one of the flock celebrating that there's now a wolf eating it because it makes the boy look bad.

Isn't that...uh...a little counterproductive?

Renegade Mechanic · 12-11-2016 02:48PM

dark crystal wrote: »

You don't think Hillary got the same treatment from Trump supporters? Come on, now!

The fact you can't assign any blame to Trump for the tone of this election speaks volumes about your bias, tbh. He advocated violence during his speeches ffs!

Oh, man, you should look up the Project Veritas videos.
they were so fake, people got fired/resigned/thrown under the bus.:D

oik · 12-11-2016 02:49PM

dark crystal wrote: »

You don't think Hillary got the same treatment from Trump supporters? Come on, now!

The fact you can't assign any blame to Trump for the tone of this election speaks volumes about your bias, tbh. He advocated violence during his speeches ffs!

Hillary was actually running for office not Melania.

Trump most likely knew the protesters were paid provocateurs as was revealed by Project Veritas tapes.

A Little Pony · 12-11-2016 02:51PM

Cartouche wrote: »

Hes been elected a few days and he is on tv rolling back on stuff he said during the election campaign. Major policy changes too..... the guy is full of ****
The people who voted for Trump and "change" are going to be horribly dissappointed

I don't think they will care. It was anyone but Clinton. He will do one term and then leave, with Mike Pence or Romney running the ticket next time. Trump has already created history which will put him into the history books alongside Jefferson, Lincoln and Washington.

El Presidente Trump

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