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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #4742
    Alonso77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭Alonso77


    aloyisious wrote: »
    CNN Politics reporting that Hillary is ahead of Don by 12 points in the latest ABC News tracking poll........ https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif_Ye20PHPAhVqJMAKHd-KCe4QqQIIHjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2016%2F10%2F23%2Fpolitics%2Fhillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls%2F&usg=AFQjCNEyjlI3Y4SYiHf2ZI3uKU9NgoD56w

    If that poll is accurate then its over (as expected). No way he is overturning 12 points this close to election day


  • #4743
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Alonso77 wrote: »
    If that poll is accurate then its over (as expected). No way he is overturning 12 points this close to election day
    That's just in the popular vote. He's behind in so many states that even Texas and Georgia are now in the toss up category.

    He could still win them, but he's now assured of just 126 EVs and some of those are only leaning his way. Utah could go to McMullin for example.


  • #4744
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    K-9 wrote: »
    Suryavarman banned until the election is over.

    Its basically over now


  • #4745
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,346 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Sometimes I have a WTF moment. Watching this video interview of a lifelong democrat supporting Don Trump gave me one....... I presume the use of democrat might refer to a belief, and not one's political party of choice. even though Don himself a day or two ago said he had been a democrat.

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/anyone_who_votes_for_clinton_is_aiding_and_abetting_in_the_murder_of_homosexuals


  • #4746
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This just occurred to me how Trump and Clinton are viewed by Trump supporters.

    Hillary Clinton grew up in a middle class home. Worked her way through college and managed to graduate from Yale law. Viewed as out of touch with the working man due to her wealth and political status.

    Donald Trump grew up in a wealthy Manhattan family. Borrowed money from his father, more than once, to find a real estate business. Viewed as in touch with the working class and a champion of the working man.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #4747
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Brian? wrote: »
    This just occurred to me how Trump and Clinton are viewed by Trump supporters.

    Hillary Clinton grew up in a middle class home. Worked her way through college and managed to graduate from Yale law. Viewed as out of touch with the working man due to her wealth and political status.

    Donald Trump grew up in a wealthy Manhattan family. Borrowed money from his father, more than once, to find a real estate business. Viewed as in touch with the working class and a champion of the working man.
    This stopped being a political race and became a psychological study quite a long time ago to be honest.


  • #4748
    Jan_de_Bakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Jan_de_Bakker


    Fantastic speech , you won't see this in the MSM
    https://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59


  • #4749
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »
    Fantastic speech , you won't see this in the MSM
    https://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59


    I quote ''...... to protect and enrich itself ''

    - a perfect description of Trump himself and his business practices . Trump the outsider ! give me a break


  • #4750
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Iowa looks to be the closest state at the moment.

    On 538 flipped red in the last few days.


  • #4751
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Iowa looks to be the closest state at the moment.

    On 538 flipped red in the last few days.
    On one hand, it's not too relevant a state in this election as they only have 6 college votes and the race is already over, but on the other, it will be interesting to see how much the Clinton campaign manages to "run up the score" on Trump for Nov 8th.


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  • #4752
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    Looking at polling updates for Iowa, there hadn't been one for the past two weeks. It must be something to do with regression to previous outcomes or the fact that states with similar demographics are leaning towards Trump.


  • #4753
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »
    Fantastic speech , you won't see this in the MSM
    https://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59

    Except that isn't the speech he made. That's a heavily edited version that makes Trump appear a far better speaker that he'll ever be. The edit has done what he's incapable of, sliced out the nonsense in between the occasional decent point.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4754
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »
    Fantastic speech , you won't see this in the MSM
    https://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59

    Seemingly both Russia and Iceland are pulling out of the EU according to Alex Jones - must be the special insights that 'BrainForce' provides. I've learned something new from this video.


  • #4755
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Trent Houseboat wrote: »
    Looking at polling updates for Iowa, there hadn't been one for the past two weeks. It must be something to do with regression to previous outcomes or the fact that states with similar demographics are leaning towards Trump.

    You think Iowa is not being polled because it's going Trump?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4756
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    No. Where did you infer that from?


  • #4757
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    alastair wrote: »
    Seemingly both Russia and Iceland are pulling out of the EU according to Alex Jones - must be the special insights that 'BrainForce' provides. I've learned something new from this video.


    Its amazing that people that know so little about the world are given such an audience to spread their agenda.


  • #4758
    Trent Houseboat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    Brian? wrote:
    You think Iowa is not being polled because it's going Trump?
    Apologies. I see where your inference cam from, my inability to construct a paragraph.
    I was replying to TheDoctor and wondering why 538 had it so close when there were no polls from Iowa in weeks and most of the ones up until that point had been for Clinton. I then guessed it was because I know 538 predict states based on what other similar states are doing.

    As to why there hasn't been polling, I don't know. If it were up to me, there'd be polls coming out of Iowa and Ohio every day. And Utah. I could do with hourly updates on how McMullen is upsetting the system.
    And Arizona, wouldn't mind seeing some McCain backlash against the party.
    And Texas, where somehow it's tightening.
    And NC, NV, PA, GA, FL and unbelievably AK.


  • #4759
    Jan_de_Bakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Jan_de_Bakker


    Brian? wrote: »
    Except that isn't the speech he made. That's a heavily edited version that makes Trump appear a far better speaker that he'll ever be. The edit has done what he's incapable of, sliced out the nonsense in between the occasional decent point.



    Good point (no pun intended ) ... but this is infowars, what can we expect ? :D


  • #4760
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »
    Good point (no pun intended ) ... but this is infowars, what can we expect ? :D

    Why did you link it so? Absolutely shocking site. Alex Jones is a horrible human being.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4761
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Trent Houseboat wrote: »
    Apologies. I see where your inference cam from, my inability to construct a paragraph.
    I was replying to TheDoctor and wondering why 538 had it so close when there were no polls from Iowa in weeks and most of the ones up until that point had been for Clinton. I then guessed it was because I know 538 predict states based on what other similar states are doing.

    As to why there hasn't been polling, I don't know. If it were up to me, there'd be polls coming out of Iowa and Ohio every day. And Utah. I could do with hourly updates on how McMullen is upsetting the system.
    And Arizona, wouldn't mind seeing some McCain backlash against the party.
    And Texas, where somehow it's tightening.
    And NC, NV, PA, GA, FL and unbelievably AK.

    I think Iowa is firmly enough in the Trump column, that it's low priory for pollsters.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #4762
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I don't envy the American electorate, 2 very weak and ugly candidates. Clinton will win by default.

    But it is going to be a very tough time for whoever wins, a bit like biffo winning here in 2007. I'm expecting carnage during her presidency.

    Biffo did not win in 2007.


  • #4763
    Jan_de_Bakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Jan_de_Bakker


    Brian? wrote: »
    Why did you link it so? Absolutely shocking site. Alex Jones is a horrible human being.


    Because I thought it had some good points and worth pointing out that the MSM rarely if ever say anything positive about Trump.


  • #4764
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »
    Because I thought it had some good points and worth pointing out that the MSM rarely if ever say anything positive about Trump.

    Right. It does make some good points. But the reason Trump rarely gets positive coverage is the stuttering nonsense between the good points. Why post a video that's completely disingenuous? I could slice up a speech by Thatcher to make her sound like a champion of the working class.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4765
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    When you claim he set race relations back decades, I find it hard to take seriously anything else in that post.

    I contend a very large percentage of people in the US agree with me regarding Obama setting back race relations. When one refuses to acknowledge the thinking of such a large section of the US electorate, I find the comment ‘I find it hard to take seriously anything else in that post’ to be of little merit.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/gallup-poll-reveals-obama-has-turned-back-clock-on-race-relations/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/19/race-relations-reach-all-time-low-under-obama-poll/

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2016/07/14/why-race-relations-have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725


  • #4766
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Those are just opinion pieces. You've posted nothing that proves your original claim that race relations have been set back decades.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4767
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Amerika wrote: »
    I contend a very large percentage of people in the US agree with me regarding Obama setting back race relations. When one refuses to acknowledge the thinking of such a large section of the US electorate, I find the comment ‘I find it hard to take seriously anything else in that post’ to be of little merit.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/gallup-poll-reveals-obama-has-turned-back-clock-on-race-relations/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/19/race-relations-reach-all-time-low-under-obama-poll/

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2016/07/14/why-race-relations-have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725

    A significant percentage of the US population believe that the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago. Do I have to listen to their nonsense as well?

    Just because a large group of people believe something to be true, this doesn't mean it's true. Your links prove nothing.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4768
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Not sure what Mr or Ms History will someday proclaim about Obama as president, but one tiny, tiny indicator that they may observe was where presidents stood comparatively to each other in regards to presidential approval ratings given by Americans. Since Obama's term has yet to end, it may be appropriately cautious to compare recent presidents at the same time, or roughly just one month before the general election at the end of their 2nd term.

    President | Year | 1-month before election
    B. Clinton | 2000 | 57%
    Eisenhower | 1960 | 58%
    Obama | 2016 | 53%
    Reagan | 1988 | 51%
    GW Bush | 2008 | 25%

    At this point it appears that Obama leads Republican dearly beloved Ronald Reagan, and is better than double Great Recession GW Bush's 25%.

    Are you contending history determines 'greatness' as a popularity contest, to some extent? And if so, in regards to Democratic Presidents, I wouldn't disagree with you.


  • #4769
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Actually, I think for a certain percentage of the population race relations have become worse under Obama.

    Racism is now more engrained in their psyche than it was 8 years ago. A black president means they hate blacks even more as they feel disenfranchised. They're not though. They're racists.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4770
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Amerika wrote: »
    I contend a very large percentage of people in the US agree with me regarding Obama setting back race relations. When one refuses to acknowledge the thinking of such a large section of the US electorate, I find the comment ‘I find it hard to take seriously anything else in that post’ to be of little merit.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/gallup-poll-reveals-obama-has-turned-back-clock-on-race-relations/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/19/race-relations-reach-all-time-low-under-obama-poll/

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2016/07/14/why-race-relations-have-gotten-worse-under-barack-obama-n2192725

    Come on !! This is just more of the crime is down but the fear of crime is rising meme .


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  • #4771
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    alastair wrote: »
    There's just so much incorrect in this post, it's kind of hard to know where to begin, but why not GDP growth? The figure under GW Bush was 1.8%, and 2.26% under Daddy Bush, but it was a record -5.38% under Hoover, so no, Obama isn't the first (or second, or third) president to preside over growth under 3%.

    As to the actual cost implications of Obamacare - check them out here and here.


    ObamaCare is a complete failure, and I contend was always meant to fail so Democrats can push through a overly costly, highly inefficient, bloated government controlled single-payer system. Our horrible VA system on steroids… wonderful!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2016/05/30/obamacare-is-failing-on-purpose/#4b170b853edd


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